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MGTOWs are planning to take over Puerto Rico and start their own lady-hating country there. No, really.

Starting your own country on an island? Simpsons did it. (But with girls.)

Over on A Voice for Men, a Man Going His Own Way named Frank Worley has unveiled a most immodest proposal: turning Puerto Rico, or at least a giant chunk of it, into a MGTOW nation. Yes, he’s serious. Also, an idiot.

As Worley sees it,

Women have used democracy to pressure our gutless politicians into surrendering our constitution, personal liberty and any semblance of due process. … Nothing male is sacred or protected. 

Instead of trying to organize politically to fight the evil dispossession of men — who control only 80% of congressional seats in the United States — Worley wants to rip it up and start again. 

The entrenched forces of Marxist Feminism and the cowardly politicians who cater to them, have taken all that is worthwhile from these once great and free nations.  So what is left for those of us who seek only to be treated as equals under the law?  …

The only immediate and complete solution to this problem is to concentrate our forces to create a majority in a single location so that WE become the state.   

The “it” that will be ripped up? Puerto Rico, or at least its eastern third. Worley hopes to turn at least this portion of Puerto Rico into some sort of alimony-free libertarian island paradise for the MGTOWs of the world. Well, the MGTOWs of America. They have to have American citizenship for Worley’s, er, ingenious plan to work.

One of my early proposals was the establishment of a micro-independent state on the eastern third of Puerto Rico.  The idea was to ask people who supported independence to move to one of several municipalities … and then vote for Mayors and council members who supported our program and then call a referendum.  If the petition for independence was denied by Congress then simply declare independence recognizing what that might imply.

Never mind that most of the supporters of Puerto Rican independence today are lefty types who aren’t likely to be big fans of either the MGTOW or the “libertarian paradise” aspects of Worley’s proposal. All he needs is to get a few American MGTOWs to move to the eastern third of Puerto Rico. Like, say 25,000 of them.

To accomplish this micro independence I would need upwards of 25 thousand MGTOW’s to relocated to the specific areas and register to vote.  … Any American citizen can move to Puerto Rico and vote and run for office and vote for independence.

Then, hey presto, a MGTOW nation in which “we write and enforce the laws without having to cow tow to the feminists.”

I’m sure the current residents of Puerto Rico will be thrilled to have tens of thousands of lady-hating white dudes show up overnight in an attempt to take over the government and declare themselves a MGTOW nation.

Also, the word is “kowtow.” “Cow towing” looks like this:

How to Cow Tow
How to Cow Tow

Worley, evidently taking inspiration from Starship Troopers, also declares that in this new nation, SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.

The definition of being equal under the law in this proposal is service.  Military or civilian part time service is required for all citizens and immigrants both to deny entry to those who would seek only benefits of the new country and also to eliminate all other constantly changing definitions of who is a ‘protected class.’  Complete your service and you are equal under the law; fail to complete and you are not.

Yes, I’m sure libertarians will flock to a country where they will be forced into government service if they want full citizenship.

Oh, and did I mention that Worley, by his own admission, doesn’t even speak Spanish very well?

On A Voice for Men, Worley’s proposal met with, well, let’s charitably call it a mixed reaction. While many were sympathetic, they weren’t exactly sure this was a very practical plan. Dean Esmay even felt the need to stick up a little note at the start of the post declaring that “AVfM neither endorses nor rejects this proposal.” 

Hey, I can’t blame them. Given that AVFM is the most “activist” of all Men’s Rights organizations, and it just cancelled its much ballyhooed conference this year because organizing is just too darn hard, it is a little difficult to imagine MRAs or MGTOWs becoming organized enough to plan a picnic in the park much less take over a third of Puerto Rico, a US territory with 3.5 million inhabitants, a great number of whom live on the island’s eastern third.

And that’s not even taking into account the sabotage a would-be MGTOW nation would face from evil feminists.

Chris  Shrek6 • 2 days ago They wouldn't have to send in troops, once word got out about a large community of men without women in it, the feminists would flood in to take over majority voting power. How could you stop them, unless you were able to buy up all the land in question and put up 'no women allowed signs. 3  • Reply•Share ›  Avatar decemberx  Chris • 8 hours ago − Avatar Frank Worley  Chris • 2 days ago I suspect the feminists won't move in great numbers until we are getting close to the goal. At which time it would be too late. Essentially, they are going to start with what they always start with, ridicule.

Wow. The imaginary planet on which these guys live is a lot more entertaining than the planet Earth I live on.

I can’t help but think of the episode of The Simpsons in which Bart and his friends are stranded on a desert island, and Bart spells out his absurd vision of the paradise their island can become if they all work together:

Bart Simpson: And every night the monkey butlers will regale us with jungle stories.

Nelson: How many monkey butlers will there be?

Bart Simpson: One at first, but he’ll train others.

Good luck, fellas! Send a monkey butler over to let us know how this turns out.

EDIT: Also, if Puerto Rico doesn’t work out for you, why not try one of these lovely islands?

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EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Hmmm. My initial feeling is one of annoyance – that the first lesbian couple in DC comics is positioned so that it carefully leaves open the possibility of a boy dating them, so as to be as nonthreatening as possible about it. The fact that it seems carefully positioned to leave open the fantasy of “open relationship = FFM triad” doesn’t help. However, as a straight man who doesn’t read comics my initial feeling is hardly authoritative.

If there’s a bisexual female comic geek in the house, could they please rant to me about comics educate me on this matter? My privilege is blinding me and it’s uncomfortable.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Hmmm. My initial feeling is one of annoyance – that the first lesbian couple in DC comics is positioned so that it carefully leaves open the possibility of a boy dating them, so as to be as nonthreatening as possible about it.

Thought I heard something about batwoman being a lesbian in a committed relationship, but I don’t follow comics so I’m not sure.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@EJ

Poor Harley has been yo-yoing between her abusive relationship with the Joker and Ivy since she first appeared in the cartoons. The sexual relationship with Ivy has been implied in the cartoons, but she always goes back to Mista J. That’s probably what they’re referring too.

Falconer
5 years ago

@EJ, @Spindrift,

Batwoman has been a lesbian since she was re-introduced in 2006. It caused a lot of stir in the media when DC announced her.

Falconer
5 years ago

EJ (the other one), I have started a new game of Dwarf Fortress. I blame you.

I will now gloat because my map is full of iron ore and coal-bearing rock. It also says deep metals. So there.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Bastard.

Write it up! Let’s see if we can get a WHTM tumblr Dwarf Fortress community going. Or even a succession game.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Growing up in England I was never a big fan of Marvel comics except some of the black & white ones. Those adverts though; America seemed like a magic world; you had Sea Monkeys!!!!!

I did read all the English comics though like ‘Action’ and ‘2000AD’. They were pretty radical (Action got banned) but had some great stories. Are any of you familiar with any of them?

There was a general consensus amongst my girl friends (i.e. friends who were girls) that “The Ballad of Halo Jones” was the best comic story about women ever written.

Falconer
5 years ago

@EJ: The only thing that happened so far was, from the third wave of immigrants, arose one farmer who had a possessed look about him. He took over a craftdwarf’s workshop, hissed whenever someone else came near, dashed about collecting wood, and produced an artifact scepter (that I haven’t figured out how to look at yet).

Otherwise, I’m getting established, which is hard when the miners took one look at the magnetite vein they’d uncovered digging out my first stockpile, jizzed in their pants, and immediately set about tearing out all the walls to get at the ore.

@Alan Robertshaw: The only feature I know of from 2000AD is Judge Dredd, and I have never been interested in him.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

I would love to see more DF Tumblrs.

Don’t expect any from me because I always get too into games and forget to take screenshots. Maybe a vid.

Falconer
5 years ago

My artifact scepter is of persimmon wood, with bands of persimmon wood, hazel wood and almond wood.

Kind of yawn, to be honest. And he didn’t even get experience!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Hey, anyone saw Bethesda’s presentation yesterday?

Two mobile games – one, Fallout Shelter, which you look over a vault; it’s free and the only thing you pay for is lunchboxes which have cool items in it; there’s no build timers or anything. Two, The Elder Scrolls: Legends, which is a DTCG, probably to compete with Hearthstone, also free. The only bad news is that they’re for IOS, no Android. Android users will probably have to wait. (Am I the only one that finds it funny that computer games come out for PC first, but mobile games come out for iPad first?)

And, of course Fallout 4. The protagonist(s) are married and have a kid, and you can choose between playing the wife or husband. It should be very interesting story wise. Also, character creation is a lot like Sims 4 with no sliders, minus the body stuff. Head, skin and hair like every game before.

And there’s soooo much more, but I am restraining myself as it is.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Pandapool — The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me “Banana”, “Jackie” or whatever) | June 15, 2015 at 11:23 pm
Hey, anyone saw Bethesda’s presentation yesterday?

My router was being a bastard, so no, unfortunately. ; n ;

Two mobile games – one, Fallout Shelter, which you look over a vault; it’s free and the only thing you pay for is lunchboxes which have cool items in it; there’s no build timers or anything.

That actually sounds interesting (too bad it most likely won’t be one of the vaults you could do those “social experiments” in). Too bad I don’t have an Apple phone to play it on. I’ll be getting an Android phone next week maybe though, so I’ll wait.

Two, The Elder Scrolls: Legends, which is a DTCG, probably to compete with Hearthstone, also free.

Oooh. That sounds fun, actually. I’ve heard Hearthstone is good, and I’ve been meaning to get back into card games. >.> *has 15 plus year old Pokemon cards in a binder on her shelf as she speaks*

The only bad news is that they’re for IOS, no Android. Android users will probably have to wait. (Am I the only one that finds it funny that computer games come out for PC first, but mobile games come out for iPad first?)

Apple has to have struck some kind of Faustian deal for that one. I mean, Steve Jobs may have been reincarnated, but the devil’s still got him on file.

And, of course Fallout 4. The protagonist(s) are married and have a kid, and you can choose between playing the wife or husband. It should be very interesting story wise. Also, character creation is a lot like Sims 4 with no sliders, minus the body stuff. Head, skin and hair like every game before.

And there’s soooo much more, but I am restraining myself as it is.

I’m glad you can still be a lady and the character customization has expanded. I was really worried that with a voiced main character we’d lose all of that, but I’m glad it’s still here. And, let’s face it, the idea of a voiced main character in Fallout kinda sat a little awkward with me. It’s a big change.

Think it’ll be like Mass Effect in a way?

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

OH! I was meaning to tell you guys: I got a complete mammoth fossil in Animal Crossing: New Leaf, so I turned it into a model to remind me of all of you~

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/Valin_Carsis/HNI_0097_zpsv5cqgc2m.jpg

(Don’t mind the date, I was cheating a bit with the DS clock because I was bored.)

Also, Gulliver isn’t just AN alpha male, he’s THE alpha male! Take that, Red Pillers!

http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Valin_Carsis/media/HNI_0090_zps5hfgaij7.jpg.html

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Don’t use Photobucket. Photobucket’s weird. : I

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

XD

Yeah, if you want I can detail everything I learn or I can find you a vid of the conference.

Also, Mass Effect Andromeda, BTW. The only thing I care about EA wise.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Falconer: Legendary woodcrafter probably isn’t that useful anyway. I’ve got three legendary stonecrafters and it’s an utter waste – I keep hoping for a useful skill like mason or weaponsmith but all four moods thus far haven’t given it to me once.

The default key for viewing artifacts is “l” (lowercase L).

@Jackie: I have tried to teach myself to ignore E3 and other such hype machines. As far as I’m concerned a game doesn’t exist until release day.

@Paradoxical: Let us be frank. Steve Jobs sold his soul long ago. Now that Christopher Lee is dead and so will be taking over management of hell, however, we may soon see things change on that account.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@EJ

XD I like to see what games are coming up. Usually I wait to see some LPs or I wait until all the DLC comes out with the GotY edition.

I’ll tell you this, EA’s is pretty disappointing so far. They teased some ME and they had some cute indies and PvZGW2 but other than that eeehhhh nah.

katz
katz
5 years ago

Usually I wait to see some LPs or I wait until all the DLC comes out with the GotY edition.

I’ll tell you this, EA’s is pretty disappointing so far. They teased some ME and they had some cute indies and PvZGW2 but other than that eeehhhh nah.

Okay, now you’re just playing “how many acronyms can I fit in one sentence.”

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@katz

You need a translation? 😛

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@katz: Jackie’s a young person. She’s probably using that ‘text-speak’ of theirs. Soon she’ll be saying ‘lol’ while taking a selfie or something like that.

I worry about the young people. Back in our day we just took drugs and beat people up. I can’t relate to them.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Paradoxical: So Alpha! How peacock! Wow!

katz
katz
5 years ago

@EJ: Well, I talk about the POV of the MC in my YA HF WIP, so I’m in no position to judge.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@katz: I understood that. Am I a terrible person?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

“Well, I talk about the [point of view] of the [master controller] in my [young adult] [hot femme] [work in progress], so I’m in no position to judge.”

I see why you used acronyms…

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

I thought it was [point of view], [main character], [young adult], [high fantasy] [work in progress]. Maybe I’m just not as smutty as Jackie is.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

That was my guess too!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Oh yeah, and apparently Sony teased a Final Fantasy VII remake if my Twitter feed’s anything to go by. : /

Not sure how I feel about that. They’ve been hinting at that for years on the one hand, on the other, in my opinion FFVII is one of the most over-hyped games in history. It’s good, but it’s not that good. (FFVIII was better.)

Jamie
5 years ago

Yeah but try-9 used very similar engines so if they do the work for one they can probably roll the other two, like they have for 1-6 on every platform ever. Though personally I prefer 9>7>8 for the ps1 games.;)

Falconer
5 years ago

I’ve heard Hearthstone is good, and I’ve been meaning to get back into card games. >.> *has 15 plus year old Pokemon cards in a binder on her shelf as she speaks*

*blinks* My god, some of my Magic cards are twenty years old. I’ve got them in a binder … somewhere. It must be ten years since I’ve played any.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

… I never got into FF7. I tried, but turn-based combat just bores me (aside from a few exceptions, like Pokemon) and the graphics were awful even by the standards of the time, and the remake looks like it’ll be removing the fun character designs in favour of GRIMDARK HYPER-REALISM. Eh.

*hides from FF7 fans* >_>

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Don’t worry. They won’t hurt you. They’ll just explain to you at great fucking length how awesome Red XIII is. At length that even I will roll my eyes at.

sevenofmine
5 years ago

@ Paradoxical Intention

I’ve heard Hearthstone is good, and I’ve been meaning to get back into card games. >.> *has 15 plus year old Pokemon cards in a binder on her shelf as she speaks*

I play quite a bit of Hearthstone. It’s really easy to get into and still complex enough to keep very good players interested. I can point you to some good twitch.tv streamers to watch if you’re interested in learning.

Falconer
5 years ago

Don’t worry. They won’t hurt you. They’ll just explain to you at great fucking length how awesome Red XIII is. At length that even I will roll my eyes at.

I’ll get them back by regaling them with my 12th level tiefling paladin’s tragic backstory.

Falconer
5 years ago

… So everyone on Game of Thrones is dead now, right? The show’s over? That’s what the Internet is telling me.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

… So everyone on Game of Thrones is dead now, right? The show’s over? That’s what the Internet is telling me.

They’ve now caught up with the books. Unfortunately the books are in that “why am I bothering to read this when everyone I know is either dead or causing me immense suffering?” situation. It’s the tragedy of the artist: if you aim to produce something that’s genuinely unpleasant, and succeed, have you succeeded or failed?

Jamie
5 years ago

@falconer it might be worth, if you don’t plan to return to the game, valuing what you have and selling on eBay. We recently sold our house and much of our Stuff to buy a cool RV and travel Australia, and we sold our old cards, some admittedly from unlimited and revised era, for at least 1.5k all told. It took a bit of work cataloging and finding values but was ultimately quite worth it. Hearthstone is a lot of fun, and has the advantage of being (largely) free. Well worth a try! The iPad app especially is good if you want to play anywhere, though the phone version isn’t bad, just small. 😉

Falconer
5 years ago

I was wondering where all my plump helmet seeds have gone, but I have 45 plump helmets. That’s where my seeds have gone. I can’t plant more until someone has eaten or brewed some plump helmets, or a caravan comes.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Dwarves can use booze as a cooking ingredient, as long as at least one of the ingredients that go into the dish is solid. Therefore, if you have a non-plump helmet ingredient (meat, cheese, flour) then you may as well brew the plump helmets. It’ll make them drinkable, release the seeds and won’t prevent you from cooking them later.

If you have a diverse enough food base, there is never an excuse for not brewing all your plump helmets as soon as you harvest them.

Make sure to go into options (“O”) and select “dwarves mix ingredients” in order to make sure they’re doing this.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

(Also: if you cook the plump helmets before brewing them, it kills the seeds. This is thought to be a bug but nobody’s sure, it might be WAD. Tarn Adams is not the best communicator about such things.)

gilshalos
5 years ago

I’ve got Hearthstone on my pc back home. Not really my type of game, but quite good. The only reason I have it though is one of the Blizzard employees I know, offered beta passes for non-US. (OK, I know 2, they are married :P)

Falconer
5 years ago

Uh oh, my mason has claimed a workshop and is “working secretly.”

I guess that means crisis averted, no depression, Yay! I haven’t lost the fort yet.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

“Working furiously” and “working secretively” are the good ones. If they “keep muttering” then you’ll get an artifact but they won’t become legendary in a skill. Anything else is bad. Very bad.

Falconer
5 years ago

Ozorzuglar, a lignite mechanism!

On the item is an image of dwarves in lignite. The dwarves are traveling. The artwork relates to the foundation of Twinkleships by The Truthful Ink of The Virginal Ships in 62.

(The current game year is 125).

Falconer
5 years ago

I wish my water buffaloes would breed. I’ve got a breeding pair. I guess they’re just not that into each other.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Nice! What are you going to use it for?

Falconer
5 years ago

I have no idea. Something will come to me.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@gilshalos

Awww! That’s sweet. ^^ I love it when SO work together. It’ really cute. <3

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

I’m excited for FFVII. It’s by no means my favorite FF game (that would be FFX) but I still think it’s quite up there. There are a lot of scenes I’m looking forward to seeing them make all crispy (That giant snake left impaled, Knights of the Round, everything involving Cid).