
Over on A Voice for Men, a Man Going His Own Way named Frank Worley has unveiled a most immodest proposal: turning Puerto Rico, or at least a giant chunk of it, into a MGTOW nation. Yes, he’s serious. Also, an idiot.
As Worley sees it,
Women have used democracy to pressure our gutless politicians into surrendering our constitution, personal liberty and any semblance of due process. … Nothing male is sacred or protected.
Instead of trying to organize politically to fight the evil dispossession of men — who control only 80% of congressional seats in the United States — Worley wants to rip it up and start again.
The entrenched forces of Marxist Feminism and the cowardly politicians who cater to them, have taken all that is worthwhile from these once great and free nations. So what is left for those of us who seek only to be treated as equals under the law? …
The only immediate and complete solution to this problem is to concentrate our forces to create a majority in a single location so that WE become the state.
The “it” that will be ripped up? Puerto Rico, or at least its eastern third. Worley hopes to turn at least this portion of Puerto Rico into some sort of alimony-free libertarian island paradise for the MGTOWs of the world. Well, the MGTOWs of America. They have to have American citizenship for Worley’s, er, ingenious plan to work.
One of my early proposals was the establishment of a micro-independent state on the eastern third of Puerto Rico. The idea was to ask people who supported independence to move to one of several municipalities … and then vote for Mayors and council members who supported our program and then call a referendum. If the petition for independence was denied by Congress then simply declare independence recognizing what that might imply.
Never mind that most of the supporters of Puerto Rican independence today are lefty types who aren’t likely to be big fans of either the MGTOW or the “libertarian paradise” aspects of Worley’s proposal. All he needs is to get a few American MGTOWs to move to the eastern third of Puerto Rico. Like, say 25,000 of them.
To accomplish this micro independence I would need upwards of 25 thousand MGTOW’s to relocated to the specific areas and register to vote. … Any American citizen can move to Puerto Rico and vote and run for office and vote for independence.
Then, hey presto, a MGTOW nation in which “we write and enforce the laws without having to cow tow to the feminists.”
I’m sure the current residents of Puerto Rico will be thrilled to have tens of thousands of lady-hating white dudes show up overnight in an attempt to take over the government and declare themselves a MGTOW nation.
Also, the word is “kowtow.” “Cow towing” looks like this:

Worley, evidently taking inspiration from Starship Troopers, also declares that in this new nation, SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
The definition of being equal under the law in this proposal is service. Military or civilian part time service is required for all citizens and immigrants both to deny entry to those who would seek only benefits of the new country and also to eliminate all other constantly changing definitions of who is a ‘protected class.’ Complete your service and you are equal under the law; fail to complete and you are not.
Yes, I’m sure libertarians will flock to a country where they will be forced into government service if they want full citizenship.
Oh, and did I mention that Worley, by his own admission, doesn’t even speak Spanish very well?
On A Voice for Men, Worley’s proposal met with, well, let’s charitably call it a mixed reaction. While many were sympathetic, they weren’t exactly sure this was a very practical plan. Dean Esmay even felt the need to stick up a little note at the start of the post declaring that “AVfM neither endorses nor rejects this proposal.”
Hey, I can’t blame them. Given that AVFM is the most “activist” of all Men’s Rights organizations, and it just cancelled its much ballyhooed conference this year because organizing is just too darn hard, it is a little difficult to imagine MRAs or MGTOWs becoming organized enough to plan a picnic in the park much less take over a third of Puerto Rico, a US territory with 3.5 million inhabitants, a great number of whom live on the island’s eastern third.
And that’s not even taking into account the sabotage a would-be MGTOW nation would face from evil feminists.
Wow. The imaginary planet on which these guys live is a lot more entertaining than the planet Earth I live on.
I can’t help but think of the episode of The Simpsons in which Bart and his friends are stranded on a desert island, and Bart spells out his absurd vision of the paradise their island can become if they all work together:
Bart Simpson: And every night the monkey butlers will regale us with jungle stories.
Nelson: How many monkey butlers will there be?
Bart Simpson: One at first, but he’ll train others.
Good luck, fellas! Send a monkey butler over to let us know how this turns out.
EDIT: Also, if Puerto Rico doesn’t work out for you, why not try one of these lovely islands?
Please, please let this happen. It could be like Jurassic World but instead, entitled MRA World. We could build rides and enclosures to watch (and laugh) at them in their own habitat.
“The Paul Elam bird can be seen on the left. Noticeable for his random shouts of I hate women”
They could be the relics of misogyny from a world that did not want them. Nature finds a way!
I think I got a little carried away here, but it was fun.
@ej(the other one).Thanks, I do too, I am saddened that it’s ending, I’m being accountable and offering no blame and accept my own faults in what cause this. I’ve started putting in place a support network for the children and have reached out to the in-laws on their behalf. I dunno, this manosphere, MGTOW & MRA malarkey seem to be so at odds with the reality of what happens that it makes me wonder if they really have a grasp on it. I met one recently from the Justice for men and boys and FFS I just had to walk away shaking my head in disagreement.
Reblogged this on Conservative News and Views on Puerto Rico and commented:
This is a very negative article about my proposal for a small independent country in Puerto Rico. I’m glad it was written since it has the effect of letting more people know about the idea. It is tough criticism, but in no way is the proposal ‘misogynistic.’ This is the begining of the ridicule I had predicted we would face. The good news is that the word is spreading.
@autosoma – I’m sorry you’re all going through such a hard time. Be sure to take good care of yourself, I know that the stress must be killer right now.
Sending hugs, virtual kittens, and good thoughts your way (and your family’s way, too).
@LG
Good points! I should have made it more clear that I knew women have long worked in civil engineering and urban planning. I got too wrapped up in making fun of the MRAdjacent – like the lovely prospective
invaderssettlers in the OP – who would probably give themselves wrist injuries in the attempt to handwave those women away. They can’t claim kinship with the creators and bask in reflected glory if they admit that some feeeemales had a hand in building the conveniences of modern life. And we all know how invested they are in taking credit for stuff other people have done.@flying mouse. Thank you, it is hard and pretty terrifying too. I’m being super mindful of stress and the shitstirms it creates. I made a bad situation worse, I’m now being accountable and I hope every member of my family heals in good time. When I found David’s blog I guess I may have been heading the MRA way, reading about their horrible world makes me realise how to do things for the better and be more accountable.
@autosoma, seconding all the hugs and support. I’m glad you’re not letting it poison your life or turn you cynical. Your kids are very lucky that you’re doing what’s best for them and making sure they’ll be OK. In the long run, hopefully, everyone will come through feeling strong and secure, and equipped to move on.
As for the OP, are MGTOWs all so rootless that they can just up and move en masse to Puerto Rico at the drop of a hat? I mean, when Bush Jr. won a second term, I contemplated moving to Canada, but only for about ten minutes. My friends and family are all here, the local job network I’ve spent 15 years building up would be hard to recreate somewhere else, my doctors and dentist and hairdresser all know me, I like the climate and the recreation and the pace of life here…. Not that I wouldn’t move if a job or romantic opportunity presented itself, but peevishness due to Things Not Going My Way isn’t enough of a reason.
But apparently it is, for all 25,000 MGTOW. And feminists are the ones with the hivemind?
@autosoma,
see this is the thing that most irks me about the manosphere, they fail the very people they claim to represent by offering nothing but scapegoats and encouraging people to feel bitter, not to mention trying to scam money out of them.
Men going through divorce and the family court system do need support networks, of course they do, but they need proper, non-partisan ones that offer sensible advice and access to services. Some of the advice I’ve seen on red pill blogs is horrifying.
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants,
I suspect many MGTOW really are that rootless. Who would subscribe to such an ideology if they had anything worth having?
Not that I’ve anything against someone who chooses not to get involved with mainstream society, I live pretty much on the fringes myself, but I do it without obsessing or hating on people who choose differently.
@autosoma – I hear you on having a close call with MRA ideologies. You are definitely not alone. I’m pretty sure that if today’s internet had been around when I was in my late teens/early twenties, I would have been a FeMRA. I have to bow out of a lot of the JB threads, or the ones where women justify misogyny with their personal religious beliefs. I see them spout a lot of the bullshit that I used to say, and watching them glory in the awfulness makes me almost physically ill.
More hugs going your way. Take them or leave them or save them for later as you wish.
OMG, this would be the most pathetic “rebellion” in the history of histories.
The bright spot would be allowing it to be crushed exclusively by female soldiers. That would be sofa king awesome.
I doubt it’d need any external threat to fall apart, they’d manage that all on their own.
There’s a novel in this. A cross between Confederacy of Dunces, Lord of the Flies and Kickassia.
A MGTOW microstate is formed, then after the initial jubilation wears off they discover that they have no economy and no way of forming an economy. It then declines into squalor, drug abuse and violence before suddenly collapsing in civil war and boatloads of people fleeing to Miami.
We could see if Paul Elam would publish it. If not, I’m sure Theodore Beale would.
I totally call my Boston terrier “monkey butler”
Are there even 25,000 MGTOW?
@Spindrift
You’re right. It would. In reality it would be a total anti-climax … like watching an orgasm in reverse.
I’m guessing they’re resentful because they don’t have good enough social skills to use morally questionable PUA techniques.
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Why just Puerto Rico out of all places?
@Lea
Holy shit that dog!
@buttercup…
@flying mouse
@ej(…)
Thanks all again… Nonpartisan I do like that, it’s exactly what’s needed. Also, the people here and the like-minded others elsewhere have shown me how to find the right help by focusing on the support needed for my children (and for my wife by extension). Thank you all
Links about women as road engineers and city planners?
@spacelawn: Why just Puerto Rico out of all places?
This is from AVfM – you can’t expect them to choose somewhere that would involve more effort than getting a chartered flight.
I just keep laughing at “once word got out about a large community of men without women in it, the feminists would flood in!”
How. Fucking. Delusional. Can. You. Be.
They do realize that women live in Puerto Rico right? Likely a few live in the same part of the Island that they want to have a hostile takeover of.
Not that this will ever happen. It has the same sort of “prove you will actually do it” and uninformed research as the folks who claimed they wanted to move to Canada to get away from the “socialism” of the US affordable care act.
@spacelawn:
I would suggest somewhere in the Amazon, for the irony factor : A land for men who don’t need women, set up in a place named after a society of women who didn’t need men.
That’ll show those Feminazis!!!