Over on A Voice for Men, a Man Going His Own Way named Frank Worley has unveiled a most immodest proposal: turning Puerto Rico, or at least a giant chunk of it, into a MGTOW nation. Yes, he’s serious. Also, an idiot.
As Worley sees it,
Women have used democracy to pressure our gutless politicians into surrendering our constitution, personal liberty and any semblance of due process. … Nothing male is sacred or protected.
Instead of trying to organize politically to fight the evil dispossession of men — who control only 80% of congressional seats in the United States — Worley wants to rip it up and start again.
The entrenched forces of Marxist Feminism and the cowardly politicians who cater to them, have taken all that is worthwhile from these once great and free nations. So what is left for those of us who seek only to be treated as equals under the law? …
The only immediate and complete solution to this problem is to concentrate our forces to create a majority in a single location so that WE become the state.
The “it” that will be ripped up? Puerto Rico, or at least its eastern third. Worley hopes to turn at least this portion of Puerto Rico into some sort of alimony-free libertarian island paradise for the MGTOWs of the world. Well, the MGTOWs of America. They have to have American citizenship for Worley’s, er, ingenious plan to work.
One of my early proposals was the establishment of a micro-independent state on the eastern third of Puerto Rico. The idea was to ask people who supported independence to move to one of several municipalities … and then vote for Mayors and council members who supported our program and then call a referendum. If the petition for independence was denied by Congress then simply declare independence recognizing what that might imply.
Never mind that most of the supporters of Puerto Rican independence today are lefty types who aren’t likely to be big fans of either the MGTOW or the “libertarian paradise” aspects of Worley’s proposal. All he needs is to get a few American MGTOWs to move to the eastern third of Puerto Rico. Like, say 25,000 of them.
To accomplish this micro independence I would need upwards of 25 thousand MGTOW’s to relocated to the specific areas and register to vote. … Any American citizen can move to Puerto Rico and vote and run for office and vote for independence.
Then, hey presto, a MGTOW nation in which “we write and enforce the laws without having to cow tow to the feminists.”
I’m sure the current residents of Puerto Rico will be thrilled to have tens of thousands of lady-hating white dudes show up overnight in an attempt to take over the government and declare themselves a MGTOW nation.
Also, the word is “kowtow.” “Cow towing” looks like this:
Worley, evidently taking inspiration from Starship Troopers, also declares that in this new nation, SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
The definition of being equal under the law in this proposal is service. Military or civilian part time service is required for all citizens and immigrants both to deny entry to those who would seek only benefits of the new country and also to eliminate all other constantly changing definitions of who is a ‘protected class.’ Complete your service and you are equal under the law; fail to complete and you are not.
Yes, I’m sure libertarians will flock to a country where they will be forced into government service if they want full citizenship.
Oh, and did I mention that Worley, by his own admission, doesn’t even speak Spanish very well?
On A Voice for Men, Worley’s proposal met with, well, let’s charitably call it a mixed reaction. While many were sympathetic, they weren’t exactly sure this was a very practical plan. Dean Esmay even felt the need to stick up a little note at the start of the post declaring that “AVfM neither endorses nor rejects this proposal.”
Hey, I can’t blame them. Given that AVFM is the most “activist” of all Men’s Rights organizations, and it just cancelled its much ballyhooed conference this year because organizing is just too darn hard, it is a little difficult to imagine MRAs or MGTOWs becoming organized enough to plan a picnic in the park much less take over a third of Puerto Rico, a US territory with 3.5 million inhabitants, a great number of whom live on the island’s eastern third.
And that’s not even taking into account the sabotage a would-be MGTOW nation would face from evil feminists.
Wow. The imaginary planet on which these guys live is a lot more entertaining than the planet Earth I live on.
I can’t help but think of the episode of The Simpsons in which Bart and his friends are stranded on a desert island, and Bart spells out his absurd vision of the paradise their island can become if they all work together:
Bart Simpson: And every night the monkey butlers will regale us with jungle stories.
Nelson: How many monkey butlers will there be?
Bart Simpson: One at first, but he’ll train others.
Good luck, fellas! Send a monkey butler over to let us know how this turns out.
EDIT: Also, if Puerto Rico doesn’t work out for you, why not try one of these lovely islands?
Puerto Rico?! Of all the places on this Earth, why PUERTO RICO? Why not set up their own micronation in Eastern Washington or mid-Alberta or something?
I’m sorry for all the stupid crap that’s happened to American territories and protectorates over the eons, but this would put several of them to shame. I mean, if it had even a remote chance of happening.
David Futrelle,
So much for Frank Worley or A voice for men, respecting the wishes of the people of Puerto Rico. How “libertarian” of him to disrespect their desires and try force his group’s will on them. Off course, should this come as any surprise? I wouldn’t be surprised if he advocated denying women the right to vote entirely in this new country that he wants to create. Only real surprise here, he didn’t recommend Hawaii or anywhere in the Mainland United States, for his new “Men’s rights” paradise, instead.
Ira Shantz-Kreutzkamp
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Puerto Rico?! Of all the places on this Earth, why PUERTO RICO? Why not set up their own micronation in Eastern Washington or mid-Alberta or something?
I’m sorry for all the stupid crap that’s happened to American territories and protectorates over the eons, but this would put several of them to shame. I mean, if it had even a remote chance of happening.
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I agree, and that’s a very good reason why we should be glad they have little to know chance of succeeding.
Why wouldn’t they choose an uninhabited island instead of proposing to annex Puerto Rico, seems as though that would have less legal/moral problems? These douchenozzles are entitled enough to think they can take over an established territory to build their no-girls-allowed fort.
(I suggest Snake Island from : https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/#more-15882)
What about Hans island? They can totally try taking over Hans island. It’s even in dispute right now as it is, last I checked.
From Dean Esmay’s editor’s note: “We think it’s significant that a growing number of men are thinking that rather than love their country, they’re thinking of just leaving it.”
People who are not good writers include, but are not limited to, Dean Esmay.
Didn’t the libertarians try this in “Live free or die” New Hampshire and mostly fail? What hope would MGTOWs have?
Snuffy
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Why wouldn’t they choose an uninhabited island instead of proposing to annex Puerto Rico, seems as though that would have less legal/moral problems? These douchenozzles are entitled enough to think they can take over an established territory to build their no-girls-allowed fort.
(I suggest Snake Island from : https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/01/4-uninhabited-islands-that-pickup-guru-and-wannabe-island-nation-founder-roosh-v-should-consider-moving-to/#more-15882)
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Setting up all the necessary infrastructure for their new nation, would be too much work for them. They’d rather just take over another country’s land and force their will on the people who happen to currently live there.
Plus just because an Island is uninhabited, doesn’t mean it isn’t already part of a sovereign nation’s territory, that wouldn’t take kindly to someone trying to set up their own country on their land.
Yes, because that went so well for the last guys who declared independence. Not that I think they’re worth the feds’ time; pissed-off Puerto Ricans would curb-stomp these assholes eventually. Which makes it an awesome plan!
Also, I’m a feminist and haven’t had any cows towed to me. I deplore this injustice and demand my due. }:(
I fully support this idea. Maybe not to Puerto Rico but someplace other than where they are currently will be nice.
A place without an internet connection would be ideal.
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First thought: Man, what did Puerto Rico ever do deserve this?
Second thought: Holy cats, if they ever manage to get their own Republic of Man up and running, all of the locals will (quite rightly) leave. The remaining men of vision will end up recreating Lord of the Flies. Only with less order and decorum.
Third thought: All of this is moot, of course, because planning a political overthrow of a territory would take way too much time out the average MGTOW’s schedule. Those feminist blog comment sections won’t troll themselves, y’know.
And yet……. WOULD feminists* be offended by this ‘nation’? Or would we be happy to have these weirdos concentrated far from civil society, where we can watch from a safe distance as they inevitably crash and burn, if not for their misogyny, then just for their general idiocy?
*Apart from everyone in Puerto Rico, obviously. There is nothing they could do to deserve such a miserable fate.
@Snuffy
But there’s no infrastructure in place on Snake Island! You can’t expect them to actually have to build electric generators and roads and stuff. Better to go somewhere else and hijack the political process. Then you can have stuff that other men have already built, which you can then take credit for also building because you share their gender.
I’m Puerto Rican on my father’s side and I really don’t want a cluster of these MGTOW types moving to the island and bothering my relatives. Having our land and resources appropriated by others is kind of a sore spot for us…
Caroline Thompson (@MitchTheRobot)
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And yet……. WOULD feminists* be offended by this ‘nation’? Or would we be happy to have these weirdos concentrated far from civil society, where we can watch from a safe distance as they inevitably crash and burn, if not for their misogyny, then just for their general idiocy?
*Apart from everyone in Puerto Rico, obviously. There is nothing they could do to deserve such a miserable fate.
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I might agree, except that having their independent nation, even if it was set up on completely uninhabited land in Antarctica, would still mean that there would be be a place where MRA would be able to get what they want, and that would be a bad thing.
Unfortunately, I also wouldn’t be too sure that it would self destruction soon after its creation. White supremacy is and was, also idiotic, but look how long slavery lasted, not mention Jim Crow. Stupid ideas can last a long time, and even effectively promote themselves, especially when most people within a society agree with them.
Quite frankly I say good riddance. As far as I’m concerned, if the MGTOWs want to get away from us terribul wimminz, let me be the first to help them pack. I think it’s rather considerate of them to remove themselves from the dating pool so no woman has to be subject to their dubious attentions or worse yet, somehow get into a “relationship” with one of them.
It really says a lot about this guy’s level of entitlement that he thinks he has every right to hijack the democratic process and just annex part of a country like that.
Flying Mouse – “other men” aren’t the only ones who’ve built our infrastructure, you know. A surprising number of highway systems innovations were designed by women engineers. Must be all that lateral systems thinking women tend to excel at.
The thing about a MGTOW paradise…it’s only going to last one generation, right? Unless they get real good at cloning.
So this is going to be like Lord of the Flies? Never read the book but I’v heard about it.
American Samoa? Guam?
I must say i find it rather intersting that a group of male politicians so decidedly feminst, insist on taking away free birth control, limiting abortions every chance they can, and refusing to even consider equal pay. huh. i must not have been keeping up with Congress.
They’re going for Puerto Rico because it didn’t work when it was tried in the United States:
http://admin.grandforksherald.com/content/craig-cobb-timeline
Of course, that was white supremacist Craig Cobb, and North Dakota gave him nothing but a resounding NO, followed by an equally emphatic OUT. But whether it’s race or gender it’s not going to work.
It’s a great idea, but can I suggest something further? For every MGTOW douche that goes to PR we take a PR woman in their place? One out, one in!
From time to time there are stories in the news about ghost towns being put up for sale. There was one in Connecticut last October going for less than a million.
Sometimes I think that if I won the lottery, it would be worth buying such a town, shelling out a little more to build a large fence around it, and then donating it to the MGTOWs, just so they’d go away. Also to see how long they’d last.
(I’d then make my money back by installing cameras everywhere and marketing the resulting reality show. The only problem with that part of the plan is that it would never last more than a season, because they’d all be dead of dysentry by then. But not, I fear, missed.)