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Red Pill dudes agree: Volunteering can totally be alpha, just as long as you don’t help poor people. Or kittens.

Hold frame and do not give in to this kitten's devious "I want food" shit test.
Kitten shit-testing a human. Hold frame and do not give in! 

So one public-spirited gentleman who calls himself retturd has a question for the alpha dudes of the Ask The Red Pill subreddit: Is volunteering seen as blue pill? Retturd assures the assembled color-of-pill experts that “I love volunteering and helping people in general.” He just worries that being so helpful might be seen as terribly beta.

The regulars assure him that volunteering is perfectly fine for alphas. As long as they’re careful about just who they are helping. Helping old dudes and learning from their old-school alpha ways? Perfect. Helping poor people? Not so much:

abdada 11 points 6 hours ago  All men should have a cause that they actively do but don't talk about.  I volunteer at an old folk's home 2-3 weeks every year. It isn't charity; I learn freely from hanging out with old dudes.  But having a cause that is your own isn't beta. Helping others can be construed as white knighting, so you have to define what your limits in charity are.  I won't help poor people most of the time because I don't see many of them changing. I define my limits on my charity because it is my time and it is my money (sometimes) I am investing in others, not just throwing around freely.

Also, helping kittens is right out, unless you’re Elon Musk. Or at the very least a sharp-dressed swole dude.

ghrelly 2 points 4 hours ago  No single action is either blue pill or red pill.  Red pill is all about people's perception of you.  If Elon Musk started volunteering at an animal shelter with kittens, people would not think any less of him cause his SMV is so high that they perceive his action in a positive light.  On the other hand, if you have a mediocre job, not social, dressed shittly, didn't work out, and volunteer to raise kittens, people will probably see you as a beta.

DO YOU EVEN LIFT KITTENS, BRO?

 

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maghavan
maghavan
9 years ago

@sn0rkmaiden & @rugbyyogi

Depends on the wine. Nothing is more alpha than Three-Penis Wine

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
9 years ago

Also, the OP, if you look back through his history, turns out to be a bit of a racist. He’s also an atheist who recently went to the ex-Mormon subreddit to ask if he should convert to Mormonism, apparently so he could find himself a virgin wife or something.

*sigh*

I should know better than to give these guys the benefit of the doubt. I retract my earlier hopes that the OP would move along from r/TheRedPill. Altruistic tendencies or no, he’s obviously right where he belongs.

maghavan
maghavan
9 years ago
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@limesweet:
Well done! You win a fruit tea of your choice.

@maghavan:
He did, but not at the time that picture was taken.

davidknewton
davidknewton
9 years ago

Imagine having a self-identity so frail that you have to question every moment of your life if what you’re doing fits the personality you want to project. Imagine it! Now stop. That was terrible. Let’s never do that again.

Nequam
Nequam
9 years ago

I sort of feel like the kitten thing was an indirect slap at a terrific guy named John Bartlett, who got a fair bit of internet fame for his online kitten-fostering cam (over at http://livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/). He likes video games and Harley-Davidson motorcycles… and is perfectly content to kiss a kitten on cam in front of hundreds of Internet strangers.

Me, I think he’s forgotten more about what it means to be a man than these chucklefucks will ever know.

You may also want to look at the Facebook page for his fostering: https://www.facebook.com/TheCritterRoom

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

Reading a little further, it appears that I was wrong and maghavan was right: Churchill did leave the army in 1900 after a long period of only nominally being a member anyway. However soon afterwards he joined the Yeomanry (for Americans, read ‘National Guard’) so was still technically military. Not that wearing a giant Napoleonic hussar uniform was normal for the army, of course: Britain has Imperial standards but we also have understated dignity, dash it.

My apologies, maghavan. Have a fruit tea yourself.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

After encouraging his followers to not see a therapist unless they follow Red Pill philosophy, Elam has now dropped his alternative plan: get counselling from him. Which means that men will finally get to talk about their feelings learn SELF RESPECT for themselves!

http://www.donotlink.com/fhmd

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 years ago

@EJ – Yowza. That must have been a real step down for Churchill when he traded in the fur busby for the homburg.

Here’s a flashy 18th century guy, lowering his SMV by sitting like a beta:
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Oh hey, since alphas like to argue that it’s uncomfortable for them to sit with their legs together due to their humongous Fort Knox reserves of liquid gold, does that mean mammarily gifted women get to spread their arms wide and take up all the armrests?

maghavan
maghavan
9 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

Yeah, he looks a little young in that pic.

I, possibly erroneously, inferred that you were basically calling the person in the pic a chickenhawk/poseur and just wanted to point out WC did serve and fight as a young adult.

Oh Shit! Is explaining yourself beta? I mean, piss off you wanker!!!!! Is that more alpha? Please … somebody tell me. The anxiety is killing me. Damn! Anxiety is so beta. I mean, are you looking at me?? I’ll kick your ass punk!!!!!

fromafar2013
9 years ago

I apologize if this gets posted twice, but I think my last post either went to moderation (?) or got ate by wordpress.

@ Nequam

I sort of feel like the kitten thing was an indirect slap at a terrific guy named John Bartlett, who got a fair bit of internet fame for his online kitten-fostering cam (over at http://livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/). He likes video games and Harley-Davidson motorcycles… and is perfectly content to kiss a kitten on cam in front of hundreds of Internet strangers.

Me, I think he’s forgotten more about what it means to be a man than these chucklefucks will ever know.

Thanks for posting that! I hadn’t heard of him. That reminds me of Jackson Galaxy of “My Cat from Hell” fame. Total beta 😉 *swoons*

http://www.thehappylitterbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/403716_320106141361706_126155990756723_941130_1623752596_n.jpg

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

@Sunnysombrera,

‘An Ear For Men’??? When I first saw that title I thought it must be a hoax.

limesweet
9 years ago

@EJ, thanks, I’ll go with peppermint

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
9 years ago

@sunnysombrero Wow. Males me think of Going Clear and how they used info from sessions to black mail people into staying.

Dave80
Dave80
9 years ago

God these guys are so pathetic. I know it’s been noted but is there anything less “alpha” (dumbass concept that it is) than being absolutely pathetically obsessed with what everyone thinks of every little thing you do? I will answer that; no there is not. Real tough guys I know don’t care.

My 1SG during my first Iraq tour absolutely played the role of grumpy alpha tough guy (not a hit on him it’s the role of a 1SG) but absolutely lit up like a Xmas tree when it came to dealing with children and kittens. And it cost him zero credit with everyone actually more respect. These sad sacks are too pathetic to realize that though. I do feel sorry for a good portion of them but they don’t make it easy to.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

Oh shit, opium, you’re right. Where is Paulie’s assurance of confidentiality? He isn’t an actual factual counsellor governed by a body, he’s literally just some dude on the internet who promises to stroke egos.

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:
THOSE GOLD PANTS THO *swoon*

@sunnysombrera:
…that’s horrible. That’s the worst thing I’ve seen all day. Ugh. I feel physically ill now.

@maghavan:
If explaining yourself is beta, we can be betas together. Being alpha sounds like something to avoid.

LeighW
LeighW
9 years ago

Off topic, but for the love of God people, SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS!!

I logged onto FB this morning and my feed is flooded with people trying to unload unwanted kittens and puppies. Some people need to be kicked in the nuts/vag just for being stupid and irresponsible.

toni
toni
9 years ago

Where did all of this alpha beta stuff come from? They do realize they are the only ones who seem to care about it…right?

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

Oh God. Paulie’s manifesto per se on how he plans to help men with his counselling sessions.
1) No emotions.
2) “Practical” methods towards fixing problems.

Look at this steaming pile of bullshit right here:

The simple articulation of feelings is not a panacea for anyone. For task and performance oriented men it is a sometimes useful effort which has been inflated in importance past the point of any sensibility. Add to that the fact that larger mental health community has consciously divorced itself from any concern about how men are affected by things like divorce, parental alienation, abusive partners, false accusations and the like.

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

Add to that the fact that larger mental health community has consciously divorced itself from any concern about how men are affected by things like divorce, parental alienation, abusive partners, false accusations and the like.

[Citation needed]

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

I don’t think I want to know what his “relationship advice” will look like.

Binjabreel
9 years ago

Holy shit, does he actually think that therapists don’t know how divorce affects men?

Yep, cause no therapist has ever been divorced. No way any of us could know what that’s like. Seriously, how fucking delusional can you be? It’s like he’s setting his followers up to fail, telling them to never see a therapist so they’ll never find out he’s lying to them about it.

Ugh. It’s so fucking predatory I’m even more disgusted than usual.

Spindrift
Spindrift
9 years ago

Add to that the fact that larger mental health community has consciously divorced itself from any concern about how men are affected by things like divorce, parental alienation, abusive partners, false accusations and the like.

This obsession with false accusations is really out of control, Paulie. What’s it say about you and the people like you if it’s such a major fear of yours that someone’s going to “falsely” accuse you of rape? Just be honest and go all roosh already, it’s obvious to everyone that you just want rape (or at least all rape by white/straight/male rapists) to be legal, cause you think men should be allowed to ignore lack of consent and suffer no consequences for doing so.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

A story from the blog tells, in Paul’s words, the suicide of a man who killed himself and his girlfriend because she was cheating on him (the man also tried to kill her lover but he survived). I’m not sure how to paraphrase the way Elam wrote the piece but it is not how you and I might see the situation.

Cheating is wrong and awful and heartbreaking for the one being cheated upon, but Elam COMPLETELY ignores that ‘Johnny’ MURDERED SOMEONE. Cheating doesn’t deserve death! But Paul being Paul, he rants against a “gynocentric” system that is “driving” men to do such things. That women too, drive men to do such things.

Two excerpts:

79% of all suicides are men. Yet all this has been rewritten with misandric ink. It has been revised by scholars who tell us men are bad, by psychologists whose main field of work seems to be recommending divorce, complete with male scapegoat, as a cure all for women for whatever petty dissatisfactions they feel about their mates. And it has been inculcated into the consciousness of our family law system, driving men to despair and despondency on levels never before seen in history.

We need Dads to teach their sons, not “how to treat a woman,” but how to hold their own with them. We don’t need to teach them to “take care of their woman,” but to only accept one who demonstrates the character and integrity to be trusted, from the start.

And we need to teach them how rare that is in modern life. More than anything else, we need to teach them how to let women go, and watch them as they grow up to make sure they can do it. And we need Dads to role model that, in their own families with their own wives. In other words, we need to do a lot of things that we are not doing.

I know men have struggles. Male suicide is terrible. But yet again, Elam’s only ‘solution’ to their suffering is MGTOW. That’s all it ever is.