Last year, I wrote about a repellant little “community” on Reddit: the PhilosophyofRape subreddit, devoted to promoting what it called the corrective rape of “filthy, unmitigated, sluts … [t]hat badly need to be punished. Badly.”
Reddit being what it is, the subreddit remains up to this day. And now the folks behind it have taken their repugnant “philosophy” to the web. Earlier this week, one of the subreddit’s numerous moderators, a veritable cauldron of bigotries who calls himself European88, announced the grand opening of a new Philosophy of Rape website. He urged his fellow “philosophers” to “[s]ubscribe and submit your rape tips … !”
Like the subreddit before it, the site declares war on “harpies,” “hussies,” “[d]ecrepid filth, dressed like hookers and reaking like vodka” and “Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores.”
The “philosophers” also take aim at “vain, vile, venemous, femenist, filth,” particularly
[t]he kind who get conferences to talk about mens suicide rates shut down. The type of hussies who have lobbied effectively to remove due process from proceedings against men on college campuses.
In a post titled “Why is Rape Necessary,” the site sets forth its case for “correction.” (I’ve bolded the worst bits.)
1) Rape did serve important, healthy, and natural biological purposes historically in limiting the extent to which female bad behavior can go.
2. Women in many ways are like children, and most can not self-regulate very well, so in the absence of something like parents or a natural limiting force like rape, they just run amok and destroy their selves and everything they touch.
3. Because rape is so completely arm-barred back by the state, and feminism has grown to be this infestation that caused even the social consequences for female behavior to dissappear, we find ourselves in a precarious situation. Unbridled female sluttishness, entitlement, narcissism, vileness and destruction gone viral.
4. Such women need to be Corrected. Humbled. Brought back down to a healthy place and realistic mindset. For their own good as well as that of those around them. That particular corrective action is quite clear, the one that used to naturally limit the behavior: rape.
5. We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to do that and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.
Yes, that’s right. After complaining that the feminist “infestation” has enabled “unbridled” female awfulness by drastically reducing the “natural limiting force [of] rape,” the rape “philosophers” acknowledge that most men who rape women face zero consequences for their action. Indeed, in another post, one “philosopher” declares that
We want to teach men that although it may be easier than ever for an innocent man to be convicted of rape when a consensual partner has buyers remorse, it’s also easier than ever for a guilty man to get away Scott free – so long as it’s done the way we advocate: actual rape-rape, as in dark-alley, ski mask, stranger rape.
Emphasis mine. Some of the rape “tips” offered on the site are wholly unoriginal:
Tell the harlot that you come from a rich family and that she will never successfully convict you of raping her in court. Tell her that, if she tries to sue you, you will counter-sue for a huge amount of money that will bankrupt her.
Pretty sure that one’s been used before.
Tell the harlot that, if she tells the police about the rape, you will kill her entire family. If she has children, tell her that you will rape her children before killing them.
That one too.
Other tips are little more than sadistic fantasies:
Put sugar into the harlot’s vagina to give her a yeast infection. This will be a mark of shame on her that she will be unable to forget, and she will have to relive the rape every time she seeks treatment for it. …
After raping the harlot, steal her clothes and write “WHORE” on her chest with a red marker. She will be forced to walk around naked with “WHORE” written on her chest, and it will be extremely humiliating for her.
Whether these rape “philosophers” are actually living out their repellant philosophy, I couldn’t tell you. They insist that they’re quite sincere.
Indeed, in a posting on slutHATE, one rape “philosopher” assured skeptics that
The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack. We are a movement of angry, fed-up men – much like you – who have decided to take matters into our own hands. The simple fact of the matter is, simply sitting around and complaining about sluts on the Internet isn’t going to change anything. We need real-world action to correct the slut problem. That’s why The Philosophy of Rape was created. Sluts need real-world punishment, and we want to train an army of holy warriors to dish out that punishment. Your chances of getting caught are already slim, and we will teach you how to make 100% sure that you don’t get caught.
In another comment, he reported that while
I can’t openly admit to how many harlots I’ve corrected, but let’s just say that I do indeed practice what I preach.
He offered this lovely bit of advice to anyone thinking of following in his (alleged) footsteps:
It definitely helps if you build up to the act. Keep edging closer and closer to rape until you’re finally ready to do the deed. For example, send a harlot an anonymous message telling her you’re gonna rape her, then write “HARLOT” on her car, then finally rape her when the moment is right. Build up your courage by first committing smaller acts.
He urged others to take up his peculiar fight for, er, justice:
We are going to build an army of holy warriors to correct harlots and feminazi whores around the world. All it takes is a few Elliot Rodger types to get the ball rolling. What do you have to lose? Enlist in our rape army today, and we will teach you how to correct a new harlot a week and get away with it.
Apparently unafraid of legal consequences, the person posting all this gave what he said was his real name, claiming to be “Brother” Dean Saxton, a campus “activist” of sorts who several years ago caused a stir after holding a one-man protest at the University of Arizona, holding a sign reading “You Deserve Rape.”
In another thread, “Brother Dean” explained why he felt this slogan was so effective in angering feminists: .
NOTHING pisses off feminazis more than reminding them that they are filthy harlots who desperately need to be – and, deep down, WANT TO BE – raped.
He went on to explain why the kind of rape he advocates is the most public-spirited of all the different varieties of rape:
N*ggers rape because they are feral animals who cannot control their primitive biological urges. We rape because we are holy warriors on a mission to correct harlots and purge society of unmitigated female entitlement. The Philosophy of Rape is, ultimately, about fixing society. The only way to correct harlots and feminazis is by raping them.
If “Brother Dean” is European88, he’s kept himself busy since his college protest as a moderator of 157 of Reddit’s most loathsome subreddits, including /r/CoonTown, /r/WhiteRights, /r/nazi, /r/GasTheKikes, /r/Chimpout, /r/StormfrontForums and the lovely /r/N*ggerSafari.
Some of the slutHATE regulars dismissed “Brother Dean” as “disinfo” and “just another frustrated virgin in his basement spreading shit.” frenchy91, for his part, noted that
while i really don’t give a shit who you could rape as long as it’s not my girlfriend, nor familly member, i think you op should get raped by a group of n*ggers, just to know how it feels, then you could objectively speak about who diserve it or not. for now, you just sound like a desperate mysogincel
This is apparently what passes for a “moderate” position on slutHATE. Others there found Brother Dean’s message inspirational. A commenter calling himself mvp wrote that
i definitely support this movement
its time to fight back
“Fuck it,” wrote another. “I’ll rape a bitch for you.”
It would be easy enough to dismiss all of this as nothing more than the ridiculous fantasies of “frustrated virgin[s]” or the work of trolls. I really hope that’s all it is.
But we should remember that slutHATE is essentially a reincarnation of PUAhate, an online forum that was frequented by a young man named, yes, Elliot Rodger, who posted similarly hateful and similarly implausible-sounding comments there before setting out one evening a little over a year ago, intending to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
H/T — MoonMetropolis
For those commenters who believe the Philosophy of Rape reddit and now the website are somehow “provocative jokes” or something such: it is definitely not true.
Please see the following from the SPLC article:
There.
BTW, I mentioned that the FBI is aware of the site, by which I meant the reddit thread. I doubt the FBI is aware of the new Phil of Rape website.
And this is where our part comes in: please do not hesitate to send your tip: https://tips.fbi.gov/
Do not worry whether it’s useful or not — it is not our worry to have and entertain. Our job is to do alert LE of what we see as possible criminal activity. It is our civic duty. We don’t need to be legal experts, or have concrete evidence of wrongdoing in our hands, etc. Just do it. Heck, people write to the FBI to complain about their neighbors’ dogs (not that I’d encourage that); we certainly have the case for concern here and some power to do something about it.
Thanks in advance.
@alaisvex
Your are not replying to what I wrote.
At no point did I say, or imply, what anyone else was doing.
At no point did I say or imply no one should think this is scary. I don’t find this personally scary, but I do understand why other people do.
And I made a following up comment, that even if this is parody/vicious trolling it should be treated like incitement.
Which basically is in agreement with your last sentence. -_-
Don’t assume because someone has a different immediate response to threats, that they are dismissing your response or anyone elses. IMHO that blog is laughable…in a gross dark way. That takes nothing away from anyone elses responses.
I prefer to not to waste energy being outraged on the Internet, something these people literally wank to. I’ll spend my energy reporting them to their the ISP provider and the FBI when that information becomes available.
@Aunt Edna
Thank you so very much for that information. I don’t know how I missed this as I follow SPLC. I might know where to do a little more digging, but I can’t make promises.
@ERWAT–petition signed.
@BVH:
That article, by Mark Potok, was published in the SPLC Spring 2015 Intelligence Report. It can be found online here:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2015/spring/The-Philosophy-of-Rape
Thanks for the link!
It’s good news the police actually know who he is. Saved me several hours of my life(don’t ask). Report this fucker. Then look for his new whines at Reddit.
Chiming in late @EJ:
http://media1.giphy.com/media/etmqZvzyywRRS/giphy.gif
re: threats in the US: Given the recent ruling, I think the court juat wants us to all get concealed carry permits and fend for themselves.
re: “community rape” (as opposed to wartime rape) & tradition: “Traditionally”, at least in my neck of the woods, rapists end up dead at the hands of concerned family members.
Not that I’m advocating for that, but tolerance for fuckheads of that particular stripe hasn’t been one of Appalachia’s traits.
The region has many historic faults, but its tribalism has had some interesting manifestations.
@ Aunt Edna
“I did myself some correction after reading this sub,” that user said in a comment headed “Fuck this sub and all it’s [sic] ideas.”
What a perfect placement of [sic], don’t you think? [sic]/sick indeed.
re: my typos:
http://media3.giphy.com/media/wJ0EQe2y5dRgA/giphy.gif
More notable quotes from Potok’s piece (including a mention of this site):
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BVH, you’re welcome.
@Josh:
So right. I didn’t even notice it, but yeah.
Can’t someone alert Anonymous? Anyone here have access to someone in Anonymous? This guy needs a fucking lesson.
Come on, internet warriors. Show us how it’s done!
but rape culture is a myth
I’d really like to know when I said, “Just ignore them”? Thinking maybe someone needs to change their screen name to Kneejerk Snap Judgement once they get off their high horses. Yeah I’m referring to you Seven and Scented. Dave gets punked by a digital version of Beavis & Butthead, he writes a scathing condemnation of that forum, Dave’s followers get worked up, the jackasses win. I’m saying they are hard to defeat because I’ve been fucked with by them on multiple occasions with the end result being only once a person beating them, and the narrow minded have to pigeonhole and label everything hatermongers like Seven attacks the messenger.
Bravo on displaying a modicum of tolerance and understanding there Seven and Scented.
I utterly despise the act, idea, or suggestion of rape. If I had my way every woman upon reaching the age of 18 would go through mandatory handgun training and then be given the ability to legally concealed carry in all 50 states if she wishes to do so, giving her the ability to defend herself from predators, and understanding the responsibility of when when it is appropriate to respond with a lethal defense.
@FE_Power
Children of all genders get raped, so training only legally adult women to shoot guns is stupid for many, many reasons. 44% of all sexually assaulted people are under the age of 18, for one.
Nice sealioning, FE. What you said very heavily implied that we ignore them. What other purpose does it serve to speak out against speaking out against them? It’s not like you offered any alternatives, just “they WANT you to get mad at them, you know.”
Also, whenever Dean and his ilk use the term “corrected” to mean rape, I can’t help but think of the scene in The Shining where Delbert Grady uses the term “corrected” to mean murder. Literally, I keep reading that word in Grady’s voice.
Maybe it’s because I’m a Brit but I absolutely despise the idea that everybody would be safe if everybody had a gun. RAPISTS ARE CUNNING AND MANIPULATIVE SONS OF BITCHES. They WILL work out a way to make you trust them to the point that you leave your gun out of reach. On that note, the “guns for every woman!” idea assumes that most rapes are stranger-in-the-bushes rape, which as we know isn’t true. Are women supposed to sleep with Glocks under the pillow in case a family member/housemate/partner decides to rape them in their beds?
It’s a terrible idea. Not to mention the likelihood of rapists using the victim’s weapon against them, turning a self-defensive tactic into rape at gun point.
@FE_Power,
I think that they’ll loose if we keep reporting them. If it turns out that this is just satire or just rage-mongering, they’ll learn the value of making it clear when they’re not being “serious as a heart attack.” If it turns out that they are serious about encouraging people to commit rape, then being reported and investigated might deter them from pursuing this course of action any further, even if they don’t get arrested. After all, they’re afraid of getting caught, so if they realize that the FBI or other law enforcement agencies have them on their radars, they may curtail their “correction” efforts.
Also, if a rapist knew his prospective victim well enough, he would probably know when it was safe to take the gun and use it against the victim.
@FE_Power:
The solution to rape culture is not to give panicked, imperfect human beings the power of life and death and then send them out onto the streets. That might sound nice if your idea of rape involves strangers attacking you at night in an alley; and if your idea of justice is a high body count and a lot of accidents. In fact, most rapes are committed by people known to the victim, in someone’s home; and most people with guns end up injuring either innocent people or themselves with them.
The solution to rape culture involves understanding that we human beings are not permitted certain things, and one of those things is the violation of another human’s bodily autonomy. Sadly this is not part of anyone’s power fantasy – rather the opposite in fact – and so people are loath to admit that it’s the only real solution.
@proxieme:
Thanks very much!
All the evidence suggests you’re less safe with a gun, not more. Even if a gun did work, that doesn’t solve the underlying problem. Rape culture. As long as rape and rape threats go without consequences as long as people don’t speak up, rape culture remains in place. We need to make this shit unacceptable, and staying silent isn’t going to do it.
I’m happy to be ninja’d many times right now.
Given that rapists think other men are rapists, which is usually what gives them the confidence to ‘self report’ and give off their own warning signs, I really think that these guys aren’t joking. They seriously believe (or should that be ‘know’) that society is slow to pin down rapists for their crimes, if that ever happens at all.
I’m as much for free speech as the next person but we shouldn’t hold back from reporting in the fact of extremely disturbing material where we seriously cannot tell if it’s in jest or not. If you can’t tell when something like this is a joke, chances are it’s not, and no way am I going to let people off the hook ‘just in case’ they’re actually a bunch of clueless pranksters.
Which brings me to my ultimate point: even if these things are in jest, RAPE JOKES ARE BAD BECAUSE THEY LET ACTUAL RAPISTS HIDE AMONG THEM. People who pull stupid, sexually offensive stunts in the name of “humour” STILL deserve to be reported, not necessarily to be arrested but they gotta learn to stop it with such shit. It gives cover to rapists, makes rapists think that they are being supported (which will encourage them to rape more) and adds to rape culture WHICH IS A THING and DOES discourage rape victims from speaking up.
FE_Power sez:
Sure, you got me. You didn’t use those precise words.
You did, however, and now have said again, that if we react to them, they “win”. Whatever that even fucking means. I have exactly zero shits to give if my reaction makes some rapist think he’s “won” something within the confines of his fevered imagination. I care about people not being raped. And you don’t stop people being raped by pretending that these guys are joking. Because they fucking aren’t and you fucking know it.
Again, what the fuck do you even mean by “defeat” them? I’m concerned with stopping them raping people not with winning some imaginary rhetorical victory.
I’m under no obligation to tolerate a bunch of rape advocates or some jackass telling me that I’m handing them some ill-defined “victory” by being repulsed by them.
How incredibly fucking interesting that your “solution” only addresses the tiny fraction of rapes that are committed by an unknown assailant.