Last year, I wrote about a repellant little “community” on Reddit: the PhilosophyofRape subreddit, devoted to promoting what it called the corrective rape of “filthy, unmitigated, sluts … [t]hat badly need to be punished. Badly.”
Reddit being what it is, the subreddit remains up to this day. And now the folks behind it have taken their repugnant “philosophy” to the web. Earlier this week, one of the subreddit’s numerous moderators, a veritable cauldron of bigotries who calls himself European88, announced the grand opening of a new Philosophy of Rape website. He urged his fellow “philosophers” to “[s]ubscribe and submit your rape tips … !”
Like the subreddit before it, the site declares war on “harpies,” “hussies,” “[d]ecrepid filth, dressed like hookers and reaking like vodka” and “Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores.”
The “philosophers” also take aim at “vain, vile, venemous, femenist, filth,” particularly
[t]he kind who get conferences to talk about mens suicide rates shut down. The type of hussies who have lobbied effectively to remove due process from proceedings against men on college campuses.
In a post titled “Why is Rape Necessary,” the site sets forth its case for “correction.” (I’ve bolded the worst bits.)
1) Rape did serve important, healthy, and natural biological purposes historically in limiting the extent to which female bad behavior can go.
2. Women in many ways are like children, and most can not self-regulate very well, so in the absence of something like parents or a natural limiting force like rape, they just run amok and destroy their selves and everything they touch.
3. Because rape is so completely arm-barred back by the state, and feminism has grown to be this infestation that caused even the social consequences for female behavior to dissappear, we find ourselves in a precarious situation. Unbridled female sluttishness, entitlement, narcissism, vileness and destruction gone viral.
4. Such women need to be Corrected. Humbled. Brought back down to a healthy place and realistic mindset. For their own good as well as that of those around them. That particular corrective action is quite clear, the one that used to naturally limit the behavior: rape.
5. We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to do that and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.
Yes, that’s right. After complaining that the feminist “infestation” has enabled “unbridled” female awfulness by drastically reducing the “natural limiting force [of] rape,” the rape “philosophers” acknowledge that most men who rape women face zero consequences for their action. Indeed, in another post, one “philosopher” declares that
We want to teach men that although it may be easier than ever for an innocent man to be convicted of rape when a consensual partner has buyers remorse, it’s also easier than ever for a guilty man to get away Scott free – so long as it’s done the way we advocate: actual rape-rape, as in dark-alley, ski mask, stranger rape.
Emphasis mine. Some of the rape “tips” offered on the site are wholly unoriginal:
Tell the harlot that you come from a rich family and that she will never successfully convict you of raping her in court. Tell her that, if she tries to sue you, you will counter-sue for a huge amount of money that will bankrupt her.
Pretty sure that one’s been used before.
Tell the harlot that, if she tells the police about the rape, you will kill her entire family. If she has children, tell her that you will rape her children before killing them.
That one too.
Other tips are little more than sadistic fantasies:
Put sugar into the harlot’s vagina to give her a yeast infection. This will be a mark of shame on her that she will be unable to forget, and she will have to relive the rape every time she seeks treatment for it. …
After raping the harlot, steal her clothes and write “WHORE” on her chest with a red marker. She will be forced to walk around naked with “WHORE” written on her chest, and it will be extremely humiliating for her.
Whether these rape “philosophers” are actually living out their repellant philosophy, I couldn’t tell you. They insist that they’re quite sincere.
Indeed, in a posting on slutHATE, one rape “philosopher” assured skeptics that
The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack. We are a movement of angry, fed-up men – much like you – who have decided to take matters into our own hands. The simple fact of the matter is, simply sitting around and complaining about sluts on the Internet isn’t going to change anything. We need real-world action to correct the slut problem. That’s why The Philosophy of Rape was created. Sluts need real-world punishment, and we want to train an army of holy warriors to dish out that punishment. Your chances of getting caught are already slim, and we will teach you how to make 100% sure that you don’t get caught.
In another comment, he reported that while
I can’t openly admit to how many harlots I’ve corrected, but let’s just say that I do indeed practice what I preach.
He offered this lovely bit of advice to anyone thinking of following in his (alleged) footsteps:
It definitely helps if you build up to the act. Keep edging closer and closer to rape until you’re finally ready to do the deed. For example, send a harlot an anonymous message telling her you’re gonna rape her, then write “HARLOT” on her car, then finally rape her when the moment is right. Build up your courage by first committing smaller acts.
He urged others to take up his peculiar fight for, er, justice:
We are going to build an army of holy warriors to correct harlots and feminazi whores around the world. All it takes is a few Elliot Rodger types to get the ball rolling. What do you have to lose? Enlist in our rape army today, and we will teach you how to correct a new harlot a week and get away with it.
Apparently unafraid of legal consequences, the person posting all this gave what he said was his real name, claiming to be “Brother” Dean Saxton, a campus “activist” of sorts who several years ago caused a stir after holding a one-man protest at the University of Arizona, holding a sign reading “You Deserve Rape.”
In another thread, “Brother Dean” explained why he felt this slogan was so effective in angering feminists: .
NOTHING pisses off feminazis more than reminding them that they are filthy harlots who desperately need to be – and, deep down, WANT TO BE – raped.
He went on to explain why the kind of rape he advocates is the most public-spirited of all the different varieties of rape:
N*ggers rape because they are feral animals who cannot control their primitive biological urges. We rape because we are holy warriors on a mission to correct harlots and purge society of unmitigated female entitlement. The Philosophy of Rape is, ultimately, about fixing society. The only way to correct harlots and feminazis is by raping them.
If “Brother Dean” is European88, he’s kept himself busy since his college protest as a moderator of 157 of Reddit’s most loathsome subreddits, including /r/CoonTown, /r/WhiteRights, /r/nazi, /r/GasTheKikes, /r/Chimpout, /r/StormfrontForums and the lovely /r/N*ggerSafari.
Some of the slutHATE regulars dismissed “Brother Dean” as “disinfo” and “just another frustrated virgin in his basement spreading shit.” frenchy91, for his part, noted that
while i really don’t give a shit who you could rape as long as it’s not my girlfriend, nor familly member, i think you op should get raped by a group of n*ggers, just to know how it feels, then you could objectively speak about who diserve it or not. for now, you just sound like a desperate mysogincel
This is apparently what passes for a “moderate” position on slutHATE. Others there found Brother Dean’s message inspirational. A commenter calling himself mvp wrote that
i definitely support this movement
its time to fight back
“Fuck it,” wrote another. “I’ll rape a bitch for you.”
It would be easy enough to dismiss all of this as nothing more than the ridiculous fantasies of “frustrated virgin[s]” or the work of trolls. I really hope that’s all it is.
But we should remember that slutHATE is essentially a reincarnation of PUAhate, an online forum that was frequented by a young man named, yes, Elliot Rodger, who posted similarly hateful and similarly implausible-sounding comments there before setting out one evening a little over a year ago, intending to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
H/T — MoonMetropolis
What can we do about this? There has to be something. This is disgusting and we need to get that website shut down. And fuck Reddit for their laissez attitude toward hate speech.
@jojosbeans
You’re going to make this thread about what meanie-pants we all are? THIS thread? And when Pandapool was on your side to boot? Fuck off and fuck you.
Actually hang on, I’m sorry – I think it might be his dad (who is also named Dean Saxton) that’s an instructor at Pima. I got confused because the LinkedIn profile lists him as having a recent B.A. from University of Arizona. That’s a relief to know he’s not in a position of authority over college kids.
Nevertheless, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. He probably absorbed a lot of his shitty beliefs about women from his parents.
And I’m still curious to know if he managed to get himself employed at a reputable place, despite his Google radioactivity. If all else fails, Paul Elam can offer him a cushy job as “sidewalk activism director”, reporting to Sage Gerard.
So, can we point back to this whenever some MRA type tries to claim that the REAL problem is false rape accusations?
Apparently you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize someone agreeing with you. Or maybe so eager to martyr yourself over how mean everyone is that you just didn’t bother to read for comprehension.
@mcjuliek
Sadly any MRA you are arguing with would probably go “yeah but this is just ONE guy you can’t judge all men by one guy omg you feminists are so dumb and misandrist.”
That’s not an accident, or cognitive dissonance. Putting women into a double-bind, in which there is no possible way for them to behave in a manner deemed “acceptable,” is a purposeful tactic to keep women in line. No matter what action a woman takes, she is open to criticism, and so the binders are free to criticize her whenever they like.
Insofar as reporting this to the authorities … has anyone considered reporting it to the media instead? If so, what are your thoughts about that? I’m thinking about doing it and I would like some opinions as to how it should be done (or whether it should be done).
I am doubting that anyone would be stupid enough to publish their name and the fact that they are a criminal on the internet for all to see. However maybe someone who lives in USA should report this guy (I am a UK resident). Even if he hasn’t done anything it will teach him not to be a complete idiot and that he can in fact be punished for something.
Going back and looking at the first page, Jackie was not criticizing you or “keeping you on point.” If you feel like that was a criticism, it’s probably best that you go with your first impulse and just stop commenting. If you get hurt when people try to engage you in some way, it’s probably for the best if you don’t open yourself up to engagement.
I started a petition on the White House website to get Philosophy Of Rape recognized as a terrorist organization, so that it can be shut down.
The use of rape as a weapon or a “punishment” is a common feature of terrorist organizations such as ISIL, and what PoR is advocating is nothing more than sexual terrorism.
You can sign my petition, too. It’s here: http://wh.gov/iko7j
Once it gets 100 signatures it will be publicly visible.
I googled his name, and there are a lot of articles about him being arrested, stirring up controversy, etc. He’s the University of Arizona “you deserve rape” sign-holder. He should have been expelled from the school for that. He reminds me of the Westboro Baptists, in such a way that he seems to really want the negative press.
Of course, I truly believe the whole “don’t feed the trolls” advice is garbage. You only give them power in remaining silent. Silence is what I think allows these assholes to thrive. Even if no one protested his filth, he would still spew it. And his kind of filth is dangerous. If he is not shut down, it is only a matter of time before something tragic happens.
Silence in the face of evil is allows evil to continue. Certainly, the pieces of refuse like Saxton are to blame, and are wholly responsible, for their hate. But, when you can do something to stop it, you should. Are you hearing me, FBI? This dude admitted to raping women, and is deadly serious about inspiring others to rape. And you know what? Even a guy on his subreddit complained that he was arrested for raping a woman after following Saxton’s advice, and will be serving 10 years. If that is true, Saxton incited violence. Are you hearing me, Reddit? Your site is responsible for inciting violence (again). And don’t get me started on 4Chan. What else do you want, Reddit, 4chan? When is it going to be too much?
Ugh…I just…argh…I am just not going to click on anything and read anything of his. I want to keep my breakfast down.
I need kittens. Lots of cute kittens.
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Signed the petition.
LOL I did some research on the guy and came across this. http://www.vice.com/en_uk/video/slut-shaming-preacher
To anyone who has ever been raped and experienced arousal or orgasm: this is what the human body does in situations of extreme anxiety. Basically, your nervous system keys up with a lot of “fight or flight,” energy, and when it can’t be used to actually fight or flee, it has to go somewhere. It’s the same reason asphyxiation causes arousal. So if anyone ever says, “You liked it,” you can counter with, “Oh, and I suppose male hanging victims who ejaculated really WANTED to be executed, huh?”
Also signed the petition.
@blanktie, re: anonymity
This is something I really feel strongly about. In my professional life I am right now involved in building a very large analytics system that – well, let’s say that the concerns of maintaining anonymity in general with this thing are enormous. When people talk about how computers are going to rob us of our privacy? They’re talking about this thing. Not only that, but it also deals with probably the most vulnerable people in our society.
The ethics of anonymity and privacy are hugely on my mind regarding this. We’re desperately trying to build structures in that give the individual end users control over their own information – and in a way that doesn’t require massive EULA contracts of the sort that people just blindly agree to. Real control, that lets the end user make real decisions about what they’d like to share instead of baffling them with bullshit to bully their information out of them.
I’m bringing it up because I don’t think that these people will be able to expect anonymity that much longer – they aren’t going to be able to hide behind screen names. There are some absolutely amazing brute-force analytics that can tear apart almost anything to find matches. They’re enjoying the end of the anonymous era of the internet, in my opinion.
In the end, I think it’s okay that we’ll be losing privacy. For most of human history, privacy was the luxury of the very wealthy – normal people lived packed in homes without private rooms, worked shoulder-to-shoulder with others, and were always in the presence of others. And we did fine – we’re just socialized differently now. But it’s complex, and I know my opinion isn’t authoritative, nor would I ever want it to be.
Sorry for the diversion – it’s just something I feel strongly about, feel free to reply or ignore at your leisure. As for the original post… it’s my hope that the work I’m doing will let us expose these horrible people and make them own their words. Disgusting.
Petition signed!
@LG, you are absolutely right. Also, men who have experienced a high spinal cord injury leading to quadriplegia, often have spontaneous erections. So, by Saxton’s logic, guys like having spinal cord injury.
Reductio ad absurdum
The fact that the members of that subreddit aren’t in jail or at the very least under police investigation is making me lose whatever little faith i have in humanity.
Also, petition signed.
Petition signed.
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I like POM’s suggestion of going to the media. Sam Biddle at Gawker has been pretty anti Reddit and has written posts about the red pill and chimp out subreddits. I’ll send a tip with a link to the petition when I get home. Others should do the same.
Since the author is in Arizona, I’d encourage any one who lives there to contact local media. If anyone else can think of a site that gets a lot of hits, contact them. Maybe Salon?
Thanks for people defending my comment, especially since I’m usually the person that derails threads with shit and I don’t try to keep things on topic – accept for that one asshole of a troll who couldn’t see the racist connotations in the Walter Scott case and made it all about dad’s who couldn’t pay child support (fucking asshole).
I was on your side, jojosbeans, because, you know, fucking assholes like this could see logic if they were cracked over the head with a math book.
But, you know, the worst part about this is what if the sites doesn’t get taken down? What will happen then? It would be, at the very least, show that the society and government doesn’t give two shits about preventing rape. Then what will happen, huh?
I signed the petition, too. Guys, is there anything that can be done? I’m not a US resident and I don’t know how it works there, can this little shit be reported someway?