Last year, I wrote about a repellant little “community” on Reddit: the PhilosophyofRape subreddit, devoted to promoting what it called the corrective rape of “filthy, unmitigated, sluts … [t]hat badly need to be punished. Badly.”
Reddit being what it is, the subreddit remains up to this day. And now the folks behind it have taken their repugnant “philosophy” to the web. Earlier this week, one of the subreddit’s numerous moderators, a veritable cauldron of bigotries who calls himself European88, announced the grand opening of a new Philosophy of Rape website. He urged his fellow “philosophers” to “[s]ubscribe and submit your rape tips … !”
Like the subreddit before it, the site declares war on “harpies,” “hussies,” “[d]ecrepid filth, dressed like hookers and reaking like vodka” and “Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores.”
The “philosophers” also take aim at “vain, vile, venemous, femenist, filth,” particularly
[t]he kind who get conferences to talk about mens suicide rates shut down. The type of hussies who have lobbied effectively to remove due process from proceedings against men on college campuses.
In a post titled “Why is Rape Necessary,” the site sets forth its case for “correction.” (I’ve bolded the worst bits.)
1) Rape did serve important, healthy, and natural biological purposes historically in limiting the extent to which female bad behavior can go.
2. Women in many ways are like children, and most can not self-regulate very well, so in the absence of something like parents or a natural limiting force like rape, they just run amok and destroy their selves and everything they touch.
3. Because rape is so completely arm-barred back by the state, and feminism has grown to be this infestation that caused even the social consequences for female behavior to dissappear, we find ourselves in a precarious situation. Unbridled female sluttishness, entitlement, narcissism, vileness and destruction gone viral.
4. Such women need to be Corrected. Humbled. Brought back down to a healthy place and realistic mindset. For their own good as well as that of those around them. That particular corrective action is quite clear, the one that used to naturally limit the behavior: rape.
5. We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to do that and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.
Yes, that’s right. After complaining that the feminist “infestation” has enabled “unbridled” female awfulness by drastically reducing the “natural limiting force [of] rape,” the rape “philosophers” acknowledge that most men who rape women face zero consequences for their action. Indeed, in another post, one “philosopher” declares that
We want to teach men that although it may be easier than ever for an innocent man to be convicted of rape when a consensual partner has buyers remorse, it’s also easier than ever for a guilty man to get away Scott free – so long as it’s done the way we advocate: actual rape-rape, as in dark-alley, ski mask, stranger rape.
Emphasis mine. Some of the rape “tips” offered on the site are wholly unoriginal:
Tell the harlot that you come from a rich family and that she will never successfully convict you of raping her in court. Tell her that, if she tries to sue you, you will counter-sue for a huge amount of money that will bankrupt her.
Pretty sure that one’s been used before.
Tell the harlot that, if she tells the police about the rape, you will kill her entire family. If she has children, tell her that you will rape her children before killing them.
That one too.
Other tips are little more than sadistic fantasies:
Put sugar into the harlot’s vagina to give her a yeast infection. This will be a mark of shame on her that she will be unable to forget, and she will have to relive the rape every time she seeks treatment for it. …
After raping the harlot, steal her clothes and write “WHORE” on her chest with a red marker. She will be forced to walk around naked with “WHORE” written on her chest, and it will be extremely humiliating for her.
Whether these rape “philosophers” are actually living out their repellant philosophy, I couldn’t tell you. They insist that they’re quite sincere.
Indeed, in a posting on slutHATE, one rape “philosopher” assured skeptics that
The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack. We are a movement of angry, fed-up men – much like you – who have decided to take matters into our own hands. The simple fact of the matter is, simply sitting around and complaining about sluts on the Internet isn’t going to change anything. We need real-world action to correct the slut problem. That’s why The Philosophy of Rape was created. Sluts need real-world punishment, and we want to train an army of holy warriors to dish out that punishment. Your chances of getting caught are already slim, and we will teach you how to make 100% sure that you don’t get caught.
In another comment, he reported that while
I can’t openly admit to how many harlots I’ve corrected, but let’s just say that I do indeed practice what I preach.
He offered this lovely bit of advice to anyone thinking of following in his (alleged) footsteps:
It definitely helps if you build up to the act. Keep edging closer and closer to rape until you’re finally ready to do the deed. For example, send a harlot an anonymous message telling her you’re gonna rape her, then write “HARLOT” on her car, then finally rape her when the moment is right. Build up your courage by first committing smaller acts.
He urged others to take up his peculiar fight for, er, justice:
We are going to build an army of holy warriors to correct harlots and feminazi whores around the world. All it takes is a few Elliot Rodger types to get the ball rolling. What do you have to lose? Enlist in our rape army today, and we will teach you how to correct a new harlot a week and get away with it.
Apparently unafraid of legal consequences, the person posting all this gave what he said was his real name, claiming to be “Brother” Dean Saxton, a campus “activist” of sorts who several years ago caused a stir after holding a one-man protest at the University of Arizona, holding a sign reading “You Deserve Rape.”
In another thread, “Brother Dean” explained why he felt this slogan was so effective in angering feminists: .
NOTHING pisses off feminazis more than reminding them that they are filthy harlots who desperately need to be – and, deep down, WANT TO BE – raped.
He went on to explain why the kind of rape he advocates is the most public-spirited of all the different varieties of rape:
N*ggers rape because they are feral animals who cannot control their primitive biological urges. We rape because we are holy warriors on a mission to correct harlots and purge society of unmitigated female entitlement. The Philosophy of Rape is, ultimately, about fixing society. The only way to correct harlots and feminazis is by raping them.
If “Brother Dean” is European88, he’s kept himself busy since his college protest as a moderator of 157 of Reddit’s most loathsome subreddits, including /r/CoonTown, /r/WhiteRights, /r/nazi, /r/GasTheKikes, /r/Chimpout, /r/StormfrontForums and the lovely /r/N*ggerSafari.
Some of the slutHATE regulars dismissed “Brother Dean” as “disinfo” and “just another frustrated virgin in his basement spreading shit.” frenchy91, for his part, noted that
while i really don’t give a shit who you could rape as long as it’s not my girlfriend, nor familly member, i think you op should get raped by a group of n*ggers, just to know how it feels, then you could objectively speak about who diserve it or not. for now, you just sound like a desperate mysogincel
This is apparently what passes for a “moderate” position on slutHATE. Others there found Brother Dean’s message inspirational. A commenter calling himself mvp wrote that
i definitely support this movement
its time to fight back
“Fuck it,” wrote another. “I’ll rape a bitch for you.”
It would be easy enough to dismiss all of this as nothing more than the ridiculous fantasies of “frustrated virgin[s]” or the work of trolls. I really hope that’s all it is.
But we should remember that slutHATE is essentially a reincarnation of PUAhate, an online forum that was frequented by a young man named, yes, Elliot Rodger, who posted similarly hateful and similarly implausible-sounding comments there before setting out one evening a little over a year ago, intending to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
H/T — MoonMetropolis
I thought I had a strong stomach but fuck this; I can’t even read this whole article.
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@A.A. Wils and @Bina Those videos did help a lot :3
Please accept this scapegoat:
http://i.imgur.com/TT2pXAv.gif
Luzbelitx The inability to tell when someone is kidding around is goating to get you in trouble 🙂
after reading what is nothing but the writing of the biggest balls of human bile and waste to walk around this part of the world wide web, I started to wonder when we will have that punching face through PCP/IP technology we really need.
@Jackie
No, it was a response to the … individuals … quoted in the OP. Scroll up and you’ll see.
This has got to be the most disgusting, vile, vomit inducing, blood boiling misogynistic hate speech that has EVER been spouted from the manosphere. What makes it worse is that they are serious about this. I honestly believe that they have actually raped women or are well on the way to committing violent acts.These guys seriously need to be locked up in a maximum security prison. They present a very real risk to women and to society. And thanks to EJ for your speech. You have very eloquently expressed the rage that we all feel.
PS
Thanx you guys for the brain bleach too. I really needed it. And thanx sunnysombrera for posting that video of the Sesame Street Martians. I LOVE those guys. 😀
@PoM
I’ll just take your word for it because I’m not reading that again.
I know that even non-rapey men aren’t typically well-read on the subject of yeast infections, but the guy who wrote that nonsense could not be more clueless about how vaginas work. Putting sugar in a woman’s vagina will not automatically cause a yeast infection, and even if it were to, ‘seeking treatment’ for that infection is a one-time deal. It’s not like giving someone herpes; any future yeast infections will each have their own cause, of which there are many, and yeast infections aren’t a mark of shame, they’re just a pain in the cunt.
P.S. What is it with this guy’s hard-on for the word harlot? Reminds me of this creepy guy I once met online who was obsessed with calling women winsome trollops.
I’m just too horrified. That anyone would think that violating my body and personhood to “teach me a lesson” because I happen to be an uppity woman who had parents who taught me to view myself as a human being and deserving of my rights (I still internalized a lot of societal beliefs about my gender despite my parents’ best efforts) chills me to my core.
I’ve only escaped being raped because I’m well versed in *actual* rapist tactics, thanks to feminist websites.
I knew I’d only be punishing myself by looking at it, but I found myself reading a thread on the IMDB Mad Max: Fury Road discussion board where the poster, and all that poster’s subsequent posts, were a deliberately obtuse look at whether or not Immortan Joe was, in fact, a rapist. These assholes, these scum, from “Philosophy of Rape” are right about not necessarily being believed about being raped. Shit like that is proof of rape culture.
“The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack.”
Then why am I laughing? Sorry, you lot are so far beyond parody, you’re not scary.
It’s like a horror film that has wwayyyyyyy too much gore and not enough mood or suspense. It’s offensive sure, but um, really? Seriously guys? I’d track down the website owner and send a tip to the FBI, just because these people deserve a partyvan. Alas, it’s a wordpress blog.
I’m pretty sure transforming yourself into a living embodiment of how misogyny is a real and dangerous element of Western society is exactly how you create MORE feminists.
It’s almost like this guy’s “philosophy” is a carefully constructed rationale to commit offenses he knows for a fact are wrong, without having to feel bad about it.
“I’m pretty sure transforming yourself into a living embodiment of how misogyny is a real and dangerous element of Western society is exactly how you create MORE feminists.”
This literally happened during the GG/Eron Gjoni/Baldwin fiasco. Many apolitical old school gamers, many lukewarm to feminism, took one look at the clusterfuck and identified as feminists overnight. Honestly these people are the worst recruiters for their cause.
Unfortunately, their methods of incitement, though being in the realm of parody, can have real world consequences. Like with racist incitement, play the odds long enough, and someone will bite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulugeta_Seraw
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/16/museum.shooting/
NOPE!
http://i.imgur.com/Z4X3ovr.gif
Because Reddit is, at its core, a hate site built on hate for the sole purpose of hate. Remember, one of their top mods dealt in child porn and admitted to raping his own daughter. To Reddit, this is nothing.
Reddit needs to be shut down; it’s unsalvageable.
*giggles* I do go on angry rants a lot, don’t I. =P Yours was better than any of mine, though.
So it’s a fake site then? Has anyone ever done any of this or is it just bullshit talk?
Unbelievable, it’s like the Ku Klux Klan, but against women. Some people really don’t want equal rights. What do they think they are losing. Our culture is scary if it breeds this.
Another problem is the whole world is watching straight American men acting this way, and many people of the developed world (heck, even from developing countries) already have the mentality that straight American men are “mostly like that”; that “most” believe rape isn’t a big deal, that most believe women deserve it in some circumstances, et cetera.
Sure, American masculinity (toxic masculine culture) is one of the biggest culprits for this situation, and there’s enough men like that over there, enough for us to see that it’s a big problem, a problem that should be fixed as soon as possible. But I have already seen people here in Europe making “jokes” like “Oh, are you going to visit the USA? Take care, if one man rapes you the others will point their fingers at you and say you are the one to blame” or “American men believe women have power over them for having the right to say no”.
And those dudes believe it’s feminists who create those “lies”? THEY are the ones who are to blame for many people in and out of the Unites States believing that at least most MRA dudes are rape apologists, misogynistic shits. And sorry, I don’t think that generalization is that out of touch with reality.
A site like that would never last too long here. Those guys would be chased down and exposed for everyone to see. But it seems that in America that kind of behavior isn’t crime? I mean, of course, free speech is a great thing, and they should have the right to say those things… but they also have to pay for what they are saying, if what they’re saying is so out of line, right? 🙁
@ David Furtrelle,
Hey, I thought you should know (although you prolly already do), there’s an article over at Return of Kings asking if SJWs shouldn’t be institutionalized for being “insane” and you are one of the “insane SJWs” featured in the list. #5 with a bullet.
Also, I posted something in the comments under the article under the name Doc Ockham (the handle I usually use around the web) and it’s been deleted 3 times now, although I’m going to keep re-posting it until they ban me. What’s crazy is that I didn’t attack them or say ANYTHING out-of-line in my comment! This last time I re-posted (the 4th time so far) I added and addendum asking “Why does this keep getting deleted? Is there no room here for honest discussion and debate?”
Here’s all I wrote:
“Are social justice warriors mentally ill?”
No. They just have different opinions than you do. Nothing will ever be solved by treating these issues like you’re in a war–MRAs vs. SJWs, conservatives vs. liberals, etc. I don’t agree with everything you MRAs say–sometimes I think a lot of hate is spewed on sites like these–but you definitely have some legitimate gripes (forced circumcision, male suicide rates, etc.). I also don’t agree with things *radical* feminists like Andrea Dworkins says. But both sides need to stop generalizing and assuming the entire community is responsible for the irresponsible words and actions of a few. We all need to have more empathy and find commonality with all human beings. Solutions will never arise through force or Twitter-bickering or painting the other side as mentally ill. It’s not like the other side is just going to die off one day and you’ll never have to deal with them again. The only way these social and societal issues are going to be fixed is through bipartisanship, not by being exclusionary. “The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation.” –Bertrand Russell.
I thought you should know in case you want to do an article responding to your OBVIOUS mental illness!
The OP just makes me feel sick. Please tell me there is some way to alert law enforcement and track Dean Saxton to his house and lock him up for being a self-confessed rapist.
Please tell me that these disgusting pieces of toxic human waste on Reddit can all be investigated, and rounded up and that a bunch of unsolved cases can go to trial.
Or better yet, I hope the authorities investigate and find out that they are all lying about the rapes after all, and that Reddit shuts down the forum anyway, and stops giving hatred another place to fester, and that nobody had to suffer.
I don’t think I have ever needed this so much: http://mindbleach.org/
Um…could you not? Reading the comments, I’m pretty sure that no one else on this blog is laughing and that pretty much everyone else here finds these guys to be pretty damn scary. As several commenters have said already, when someone tells you that they have the desire to do serious harm to others, believe them the first time.
@Everyone:
Awww, thanks you guys. Evidently I need to be angry at 2am more often.
@Josh Miller:
Who else is on it? I’d like to know without reading RoK. It’s, uh, for a card game I’m building.
Oh hey look, it’s the red pill taken to its obvious conclusion. Also, I’m pretty curious about the legality of this kind of site. Just from your post (honestly, I’m not going there to give them clicks or sparing myself the headache) they don’t seem to be targeting anyone specifically, but they are targeting different groups of women. And they seem to be inciting others to violence intentionally (“all we need are a few Eliot Rodgers to get the ball rolling”). Makes you wonder what’s keeping them from being properly investigated.
If there isn’t any provisions in the law for this, I really think that should change. This goes much beyond “free speech.” How is a step by step rape manual not dangerous to society and the people living in it? If there were a site with a manual on “how to shoot n*ggers” would that be legal as well?
@ EJ (The Other One)
The list reads:
Jessica Valenti (comparing her to Virginia Woolf)
Jian Ghomeshi (Marquis de Sade)
Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig (Sylvia Plath)
Hugo Schwyzer (Bill Wilson)
And lastly our own David Futrelle (being compared to Matt Cvetic).
The reasons given for his insanity? He “frequently cherry-picks quotes from trolls in an attempt to smear anti-feminists and MRAs, citing them as examples of what ROK actually advocates.”
[Didn’t their own founder literally write an article advocating the legalization of rape? Oh, but since David didn’t reproduce that article in full on his own blog and agree to its obvious merit then that qualifies and misquoting, misrepresenting and taking Roosh out of context, right? Typing MRA spin!]
Also, David has “a hidden history as a men’s rights sympathizer” [which, mind you, they use as EVIDENCE OF INSANITY, sympathizing with their cause, LOL!] because a decade ago he supposed wrote an article supporting the opening of a Border’s bookstore in his neighborhood because the only other bookstore was “a women’s’ one.”
Lastly, David allegedly referred to himself as “a lapsed feminist.”
GOOD GOD, DAVID, YOU DESPERATELY NEED THERAPY! What a bunch of wankers!
“Women have run amok and are ruining society because nobody will let dudes rape them anymore so, to put them in their proper place, you should rape them because, hey who’s going to stop you?”
I’ve seen stuff like this before, and am willing to bet the majority of those posts are from the /btards (I skimmed over there, and recognized the patterns). Make no mistake, I am in no way condoning what they are posting over there. I’m just pointing out that /btards do things exactly like that to incite rage and anger in various online communities, Be it multiplayer games, web forums, blog responses, etc. Their entire purpose in life is to enrage a community so badly by trying to out-do each other in trying to find the most offensive thing possible to say that is worse than the previous poster. From their perspective, when you get mad, they win. When you get furious, they throw their turds at you harder and faster.
Their form of entertainment is making sure someone is offended and overreacts to what they have said. Reporting them to the authorities (internet provider, hosting management, law enforcement) is the equivalent of a teacher putting a gold star on a paper turned in, it’s a badge of honor to them.
The one time I have seen someone actually beat the /btards was in Second Life about six years ago. A friend of mine had set up this resort property for people to visit. The /btards invaded with some crazy “The pool has aids, we gotta shut it down” across the entire world. Most land owners were just booting them off their land, but they were showing up faster than you could kick them out. Well my friend knew there was another option, freezing the offending player in place. Can’t leave, can’t talk, can’t walk around. With them trapped in place, she started reading them the owners manual for her car, having her assistant cycle through the troublemakers resetting their freeze in place timers. Pretty soon the boredom drove them all away by logging off.
By the way, several people were assuming that those posters are teens or younger. That’s your typical /btard.