Last year, I wrote about a repellant little “community” on Reddit: the PhilosophyofRape subreddit, devoted to promoting what it called the corrective rape of “filthy, unmitigated, sluts … [t]hat badly need to be punished. Badly.”
Reddit being what it is, the subreddit remains up to this day. And now the folks behind it have taken their repugnant “philosophy” to the web. Earlier this week, one of the subreddit’s numerous moderators, a veritable cauldron of bigotries who calls himself European88, announced the grand opening of a new Philosophy of Rape website. He urged his fellow “philosophers” to “[s]ubscribe and submit your rape tips … !”
Like the subreddit before it, the site declares war on “harpies,” “hussies,” “[d]ecrepid filth, dressed like hookers and reaking like vodka” and “Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores.”
The “philosophers” also take aim at “vain, vile, venemous, femenist, filth,” particularly
[t]he kind who get conferences to talk about mens suicide rates shut down. The type of hussies who have lobbied effectively to remove due process from proceedings against men on college campuses.
In a post titled “Why is Rape Necessary,” the site sets forth its case for “correction.” (I’ve bolded the worst bits.)
1) Rape did serve important, healthy, and natural biological purposes historically in limiting the extent to which female bad behavior can go.
2. Women in many ways are like children, and most can not self-regulate very well, so in the absence of something like parents or a natural limiting force like rape, they just run amok and destroy their selves and everything they touch.
3. Because rape is so completely arm-barred back by the state, and feminism has grown to be this infestation that caused even the social consequences for female behavior to dissappear, we find ourselves in a precarious situation. Unbridled female sluttishness, entitlement, narcissism, vileness and destruction gone viral.
4. Such women need to be Corrected. Humbled. Brought back down to a healthy place and realistic mindset. For their own good as well as that of those around them. That particular corrective action is quite clear, the one that used to naturally limit the behavior: rape.
5. We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to do that and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.
Yes, that’s right. After complaining that the feminist “infestation” has enabled “unbridled” female awfulness by drastically reducing the “natural limiting force [of] rape,” the rape “philosophers” acknowledge that most men who rape women face zero consequences for their action. Indeed, in another post, one “philosopher” declares that
We want to teach men that although it may be easier than ever for an innocent man to be convicted of rape when a consensual partner has buyers remorse, it’s also easier than ever for a guilty man to get away Scott free – so long as it’s done the way we advocate: actual rape-rape, as in dark-alley, ski mask, stranger rape.
Emphasis mine. Some of the rape “tips” offered on the site are wholly unoriginal:
Tell the harlot that you come from a rich family and that she will never successfully convict you of raping her in court. Tell her that, if she tries to sue you, you will counter-sue for a huge amount of money that will bankrupt her.
Pretty sure that one’s been used before.
Tell the harlot that, if she tells the police about the rape, you will kill her entire family. If she has children, tell her that you will rape her children before killing them.
That one too.
Other tips are little more than sadistic fantasies:
Put sugar into the harlot’s vagina to give her a yeast infection. This will be a mark of shame on her that she will be unable to forget, and she will have to relive the rape every time she seeks treatment for it. …
After raping the harlot, steal her clothes and write “WHORE” on her chest with a red marker. She will be forced to walk around naked with “WHORE” written on her chest, and it will be extremely humiliating for her.
Whether these rape “philosophers” are actually living out their repellant philosophy, I couldn’t tell you. They insist that they’re quite sincere.
Indeed, in a posting on slutHATE, one rape “philosopher” assured skeptics that
The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack. We are a movement of angry, fed-up men – much like you – who have decided to take matters into our own hands. The simple fact of the matter is, simply sitting around and complaining about sluts on the Internet isn’t going to change anything. We need real-world action to correct the slut problem. That’s why The Philosophy of Rape was created. Sluts need real-world punishment, and we want to train an army of holy warriors to dish out that punishment. Your chances of getting caught are already slim, and we will teach you how to make 100% sure that you don’t get caught.
In another comment, he reported that while
I can’t openly admit to how many harlots I’ve corrected, but let’s just say that I do indeed practice what I preach.
He offered this lovely bit of advice to anyone thinking of following in his (alleged) footsteps:
It definitely helps if you build up to the act. Keep edging closer and closer to rape until you’re finally ready to do the deed. For example, send a harlot an anonymous message telling her you’re gonna rape her, then write “HARLOT” on her car, then finally rape her when the moment is right. Build up your courage by first committing smaller acts.
He urged others to take up his peculiar fight for, er, justice:
We are going to build an army of holy warriors to correct harlots and feminazi whores around the world. All it takes is a few Elliot Rodger types to get the ball rolling. What do you have to lose? Enlist in our rape army today, and we will teach you how to correct a new harlot a week and get away with it.
Apparently unafraid of legal consequences, the person posting all this gave what he said was his real name, claiming to be “Brother” Dean Saxton, a campus “activist” of sorts who several years ago caused a stir after holding a one-man protest at the University of Arizona, holding a sign reading “You Deserve Rape.”
In another thread, “Brother Dean” explained why he felt this slogan was so effective in angering feminists: .
NOTHING pisses off feminazis more than reminding them that they are filthy harlots who desperately need to be – and, deep down, WANT TO BE – raped.
He went on to explain why the kind of rape he advocates is the most public-spirited of all the different varieties of rape:
N*ggers rape because they are feral animals who cannot control their primitive biological urges. We rape because we are holy warriors on a mission to correct harlots and purge society of unmitigated female entitlement. The Philosophy of Rape is, ultimately, about fixing society. The only way to correct harlots and feminazis is by raping them.
If “Brother Dean” is European88, he’s kept himself busy since his college protest as a moderator of 157 of Reddit’s most loathsome subreddits, including /r/CoonTown, /r/WhiteRights, /r/nazi, /r/GasTheKikes, /r/Chimpout, /r/StormfrontForums and the lovely /r/N*ggerSafari.
Some of the slutHATE regulars dismissed “Brother Dean” as “disinfo” and “just another frustrated virgin in his basement spreading shit.” frenchy91, for his part, noted that
while i really don’t give a shit who you could rape as long as it’s not my girlfriend, nor familly member, i think you op should get raped by a group of n*ggers, just to know how it feels, then you could objectively speak about who diserve it or not. for now, you just sound like a desperate mysogincel
This is apparently what passes for a “moderate” position on slutHATE. Others there found Brother Dean’s message inspirational. A commenter calling himself mvp wrote that
i definitely support this movement
its time to fight back
“Fuck it,” wrote another. “I’ll rape a bitch for you.”
It would be easy enough to dismiss all of this as nothing more than the ridiculous fantasies of “frustrated virgin[s]” or the work of trolls. I really hope that’s all it is.
But we should remember that slutHATE is essentially a reincarnation of PUAhate, an online forum that was frequented by a young man named, yes, Elliot Rodger, who posted similarly hateful and similarly implausible-sounding comments there before setting out one evening a little over a year ago, intending to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
H/T — MoonMetropolis
Suzy Q needs reading comprehension lessons.
Again my apologies. Didn’t mean it that way. It was a poor choice of words.
But I do hope that insulting my intelligence makes you feel better though.
Nobody’s insulted your intelligence.
I just sent a tip about this site as well as a link to the petition to Sam Biddle of Gawker who writes about the awful segments of Reddit often. I doubt anything will come of it, but fingers crossed!
Suzy Q doesn’t have any intelligence to insult.
Reported to FBI.
@Suzy Q, I’m on your side so I will say this for your benefit. Just give up. You can apologize til the cows come home. It will never be good enough. There is a reason you see me here but you only see a comment or two. Most posts I read but don’t comment at all. Some people are much too caught up in being offended at everything than considering what you have to say. Sorry it’s tough in here sometimes. I’m sure this will get its fair share of “responses,” if you can call them that, but I don’t care. 😀 I sometimes like reading what other people have to say in previous comments even if I don’t agree with it but I don’t often find the need to quibble with complete strangers by overanalyzing everything they say. There’s a reason that “anal” is the first part of “analyze.”
All of this is why I tend not to get along with other feminists, at least not in groups. People derail conversations to hell because somebody used the “wrong word” or didn’t put a “trigger warning,” or unknowingly violated some other unwritten rule and is never forgiven for it. Then it turns into a shouting match/pissing contest til somebody finally gives up and quits…sadly, it’s usually the new person. It’s not a great way to treat your allies, which I’ve mentioned numerously all over the intertubez, but it doesn’t change. There’s just way too much in-fighting. It’s no wonder a lot of people think feminists are rabid and hateful. A lot of times we don’t treat each other very kindly. I can’t tell you how many groups I’ve left because I didn’t like the way they treated (or should I say mistreated) people who’ve made pretty trivial mistakes. Most recently, I left a group because a woman who was new to feminism joined, posted something really poignant, but didn’t put a trigger warning and everybody bit her head off. She didn’t even know what a trigger warning was. She apologized numerously for not knowing but that wasn’t good enough. People kept ganging up on her so she quit. Who knows if she’ll ever venture into feminist groups again after that….
Also as someone who has suffered mental illness for decades and has even been institutionalized for being a “nut job” you have my full permission to use the word “nut job” and I will not be in the least bit fucked off by it. If other people want to get fucked off by it, that’s their business. If it’s that big of a deal (and that big of a consensus), then I think the owner of the blog should add it to the “slurs” section of the comment policy. It’s probably best not to use it here just because whatever you say will be automatically discredited and you will be judged as a horrible person even if you have made a really good point; a really good point that will go totally ignored.
For what it’s worth, I think you raised a fair point worth discussing. Many MRAs and PUAs and general shitheads operate by the philosophy that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Few people are honestly this hateful and when given the chance to say these things in public, most of them wouldn’t. Many just want attention and will only get worse if they get it. Unfortunately, I know this isn’t a case where if we ignore it it will go away.
You know what: fuck off with your bullshit tone policing ktrantingredhead.
You’re trying to martyr yourself and it’s bullshit. You were asked nicely to not say something by a few people, and you doubled down and insisted you should be able to say it, despite a lot of people saying it makes them uncomfortable, and them explaining to you why what you said made them so.
You know ableism isn’t okay here, and several people are really sick and tired of having to explain why it isn’t, many of them are mentally ill as well. So you can give Suzy Q your “permission” all you want, but the fact remains that it’s still a shitty thing to say.
It’s akin to a black person saying that the N-word doesn’t bother them, so they don’t know why other people are getting so up in arms about a white person saying it.
And we also addressed her points about “Ignore them and it’ll go away”, so there wasn’t much “derailment”.
Perhaps if you’re so concerned about us staying on topic, you shouldn’t have posted your teal dear telling us how mean we are that we don’t let you say whatever you want, and what terrible people we are because we instead strive to not be assholes who casually throw around ableism to try and “other” terrible people so the “normals” don’t have to question their privilege.
Oh, and fuck off with your attitude that when someone gets offended it’s because they’re “oversensitive”.
One, you don’t know jack shit about the people on here or what their mental state is like. Two, it’s not up to you what should or shouldn’t be considered offensive to everyone. If someone’s offended by something, it should be considered.
As for Suzy Q, they didn’t even “apologize”. They made a fucking snarky comment.
Another day, another thread about how mean we all are.
I’m not sure what somebody being run off another (unnamed and unlinked to) site has to do with us. This isn’t run as a safe space and nobody is required to put trigger warnings. I know I only do if it’s really bad.
I’ve also never seen anybody who apologizes profusely be not forgiven. It’s usually non-apologies and doubling down that aren’t forgotten.
Hey, ktrantingredhead.
From the comments policy:
I am also a “nut job” who has been fighting mental illness and the associated stigma for decades. I am actually “fucked off” by the casual use of lunatic and nut job for these misogynistic rape-advocating assholes. Having abhorrent beliefs does not by definition make one crazy. How many times does this need to be said?
(Rhetorical question. It apparently can’t be said enough times because some people simply refuse to hear it.)
DO NOT USE ABELIST LANGUAGE. It’s really not that fucking difficult. I’ll be the first to admit I use to be far too liberal with my use of words like “insane” “crazy” or “nutcase”.
You fucking FAIL. First off, Suzy WOULD have probably been forgiven had she JUST said I’m sorry. Instead, she went with “i’m sorry BUUUUUUT I don’t see why I should have to apologize”, which is ridiculously passive aggressive. Refusing to apologize is why she’s being snarked at.
Second: IT IS A WRITTEN RULE so that bullshit excuse can fuck right off.
https://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/the-official-man-boobz-complimentary-welcome-package/
Emphasis mine to show you that, no, we don’t do this because we’re ‘overly sensitive’.
What about the regular posters here who suffer from mental illness? Did you ask them how they feel or is your opinion the only one that matters?
So you’re saying she made a mistake, then apologized then everyone STILL wouldn’t leave her alone? Yeah I’m calling bullshit on that. Citation needed (I’m taking a wild guess that you’re leaving out little details like “she then said she didn’t see why she had to apologize”)
People think a lot of things about feminists because they rely on ad hominems to ‘counter’ femin. So let’s go over these ‘rabid and hateful’ comments again:
Wow, these comments are SOOOO HATEFUL. How DARE Suzy be asked to apologize and not use that language!
Seconding the Fuck off!
I’d actually like to thank the comments on this blog for fighting so ardently against ableism.
I’m someone who never really thought about it before I started reading this site (thanks, GooberGribbles, your raging against the SJW machine in the games industry led me here), and the privilege I have as someone who “just” suffers from depression makes me feel that I’m relatively blind to how potentially damaging it can be. The people here have given me cause to think about my ignorance and try to better consider what I say and how I say it. I still let the occasional “crazy” slip out in casual conversation when I mean something ridiculous or bizarre, but in instances where I have more time to compose my thoughts I take the time to be more careful and try to be more considerate, though I know I’ve still got a long way left to go.
But I don’t think any of that would have happened without the people here.
I don’t think the regulars are particularly hostile here. I lurked for a while to get the feel of things before posting, though. I can’t remember ever getting dogpiled or anything for a minor slip up. Much of it depends on how you react to criticism, and whether you adjust your behaviour accordingly to avoid making the same kind of mistake again.
dslucia1
Me toooooooooo! 😀
@Moocow:
I came for the scathing commentary at the expense of people afraid of getting their games taken away, and stayed for the insightful look into thoughts and ideas that, quite frankly, scare me.
And lurked for a long time because I don’t want to make an ass of myself.
So hey, if KT is going to dump a drain-blocker of a turd, I’m going to dump a quick reminder that we turned against her not because we’re “Oversensitive” but because she’s a fucking racist.
Suzy Q, as someone who just got in a huge fight here (and still isn’t liked–seriously, SFHC, I don’t use socks, but if I did they’d never argue for *less* confrontation of people like Dean Saxton), please don’t use ableist language. I’m a person with mental illnesses and personality disorders who’s comfortable having such language used around me, but not everyone here is. It’s a rule of the blog not to use ableist language here, and for a good reason. And even if I fight with some of the people here, I don’t use ableist language here.
(Seriously though, socks? Is there someone here who can see the IP address of commentators? Because if she’s a sock she sure as hell ain’t mine.)
@dslucia1
Video games are my passion and I was disgusted by those gators, I needed the mockery and commentary on them just in order to cope. I also thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the mammotheers battle it out with trolls so I had to join in!
@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Hah! Well the jig is up! Is there already a category for “I totally swear I was part of this movement and now I’ve lost faith because… ” trolling? Or is that simly really bad concern-trolling?
I signed the petition – at first I thought it was only U.S. citizens allowed to sign, but since the “zip code” portion was optional, it seems it is open to anyone. But I have this worry that it won’t be taken as seriously if there are more people from outside the U.S. signing it. (Is that silly? I just want to know if I should pass it on to other Canadians.)
@epitome
Well, I’m since it’s a Whitehouse petition, I don’t think it would count with the whole, you know, USA government thing.
Is there’s a Canadian version floating around, though? It’s the world wide web, after all.
*I’m guessing 😐
I dunno. There’s Avaaz.org worldwide, but I’ve never created a petition with them, just signed/commented on things.
@Moocow
Bizarrely, she might not necessarily be a troll, concern or otherwise. KT posted normally for months before letting that bombshell drop and turning into the drive-by threadshitter she is today… She could be a very determined troll, but she could also be a genuine feminist, just of the “Cishet white women only” anti-intersectional sort that isn’t welcome here or anywhere else of import.
David, I don’t know how you get through reading the original posts much less have the patience to post them here. I was so disgusted by the time I read (3) I couldn’t continue reading the article. A train wreck is fun to watch from time to time in a Michael Bay way, but when they start pulling out the dismembered bodies sometimes you can’t watch anymore.