Last year, I wrote about a repellant little “community” on Reddit: the PhilosophyofRape subreddit, devoted to promoting what it called the corrective rape of “filthy, unmitigated, sluts … [t]hat badly need to be punished. Badly.”
Reddit being what it is, the subreddit remains up to this day. And now the folks behind it have taken their repugnant “philosophy” to the web. Earlier this week, one of the subreddit’s numerous moderators, a veritable cauldron of bigotries who calls himself European88, announced the grand opening of a new Philosophy of Rape website. He urged his fellow “philosophers” to “[s]ubscribe and submit your rape tips … !”
Like the subreddit before it, the site declares war on “harpies,” “hussies,” “[d]ecrepid filth, dressed like hookers and reaking like vodka” and “Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores.”
The “philosophers” also take aim at “vain, vile, venemous, femenist, filth,” particularly
[t]he kind who get conferences to talk about mens suicide rates shut down. The type of hussies who have lobbied effectively to remove due process from proceedings against men on college campuses.
In a post titled “Why is Rape Necessary,” the site sets forth its case for “correction.” (I’ve bolded the worst bits.)
1) Rape did serve important, healthy, and natural biological purposes historically in limiting the extent to which female bad behavior can go.
2. Women in many ways are like children, and most can not self-regulate very well, so in the absence of something like parents or a natural limiting force like rape, they just run amok and destroy their selves and everything they touch.
3. Because rape is so completely arm-barred back by the state, and feminism has grown to be this infestation that caused even the social consequences for female behavior to dissappear, we find ourselves in a precarious situation. Unbridled female sluttishness, entitlement, narcissism, vileness and destruction gone viral.
4. Such women need to be Corrected. Humbled. Brought back down to a healthy place and realistic mindset. For their own good as well as that of those around them. That particular corrective action is quite clear, the one that used to naturally limit the behavior: rape.
5. We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to do that and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.
Yes, that’s right. After complaining that the feminist “infestation” has enabled “unbridled” female awfulness by drastically reducing the “natural limiting force [of] rape,” the rape “philosophers” acknowledge that most men who rape women face zero consequences for their action. Indeed, in another post, one “philosopher” declares that
We want to teach men that although it may be easier than ever for an innocent man to be convicted of rape when a consensual partner has buyers remorse, it’s also easier than ever for a guilty man to get away Scott free – so long as it’s done the way we advocate: actual rape-rape, as in dark-alley, ski mask, stranger rape.
Emphasis mine. Some of the rape “tips” offered on the site are wholly unoriginal:
Tell the harlot that you come from a rich family and that she will never successfully convict you of raping her in court. Tell her that, if she tries to sue you, you will counter-sue for a huge amount of money that will bankrupt her.
Pretty sure that one’s been used before.
Tell the harlot that, if she tells the police about the rape, you will kill her entire family. If she has children, tell her that you will rape her children before killing them.
That one too.
Other tips are little more than sadistic fantasies:
Put sugar into the harlot’s vagina to give her a yeast infection. This will be a mark of shame on her that she will be unable to forget, and she will have to relive the rape every time she seeks treatment for it. …
After raping the harlot, steal her clothes and write “WHORE” on her chest with a red marker. She will be forced to walk around naked with “WHORE” written on her chest, and it will be extremely humiliating for her.
Whether these rape “philosophers” are actually living out their repellant philosophy, I couldn’t tell you. They insist that they’re quite sincere.
Indeed, in a posting on slutHATE, one rape “philosopher” assured skeptics that
The Philosophy of Rape is as serious as a heart attack. We are a movement of angry, fed-up men – much like you – who have decided to take matters into our own hands. The simple fact of the matter is, simply sitting around and complaining about sluts on the Internet isn’t going to change anything. We need real-world action to correct the slut problem. That’s why The Philosophy of Rape was created. Sluts need real-world punishment, and we want to train an army of holy warriors to dish out that punishment. Your chances of getting caught are already slim, and we will teach you how to make 100% sure that you don’t get caught.
In another comment, he reported that while
I can’t openly admit to how many harlots I’ve corrected, but let’s just say that I do indeed practice what I preach.
He offered this lovely bit of advice to anyone thinking of following in his (alleged) footsteps:
It definitely helps if you build up to the act. Keep edging closer and closer to rape until you’re finally ready to do the deed. For example, send a harlot an anonymous message telling her you’re gonna rape her, then write “HARLOT” on her car, then finally rape her when the moment is right. Build up your courage by first committing smaller acts.
He urged others to take up his peculiar fight for, er, justice:
We are going to build an army of holy warriors to correct harlots and feminazi whores around the world. All it takes is a few Elliot Rodger types to get the ball rolling. What do you have to lose? Enlist in our rape army today, and we will teach you how to correct a new harlot a week and get away with it.
Apparently unafraid of legal consequences, the person posting all this gave what he said was his real name, claiming to be “Brother” Dean Saxton, a campus “activist” of sorts who several years ago caused a stir after holding a one-man protest at the University of Arizona, holding a sign reading “You Deserve Rape.”
In another thread, “Brother Dean” explained why he felt this slogan was so effective in angering feminists: .
NOTHING pisses off feminazis more than reminding them that they are filthy harlots who desperately need to be – and, deep down, WANT TO BE – raped.
He went on to explain why the kind of rape he advocates is the most public-spirited of all the different varieties of rape:
N*ggers rape because they are feral animals who cannot control their primitive biological urges. We rape because we are holy warriors on a mission to correct harlots and purge society of unmitigated female entitlement. The Philosophy of Rape is, ultimately, about fixing society. The only way to correct harlots and feminazis is by raping them.
If “Brother Dean” is European88, he’s kept himself busy since his college protest as a moderator of 157 of Reddit’s most loathsome subreddits, including /r/CoonTown, /r/WhiteRights, /r/nazi, /r/GasTheKikes, /r/Chimpout, /r/StormfrontForums and the lovely /r/N*ggerSafari.
Some of the slutHATE regulars dismissed “Brother Dean” as “disinfo” and “just another frustrated virgin in his basement spreading shit.” frenchy91, for his part, noted that
while i really don’t give a shit who you could rape as long as it’s not my girlfriend, nor familly member, i think you op should get raped by a group of n*ggers, just to know how it feels, then you could objectively speak about who diserve it or not. for now, you just sound like a desperate mysogincel
This is apparently what passes for a “moderate” position on slutHATE. Others there found Brother Dean’s message inspirational. A commenter calling himself mvp wrote that
i definitely support this movement
its time to fight back
“Fuck it,” wrote another. “I’ll rape a bitch for you.”
It would be easy enough to dismiss all of this as nothing more than the ridiculous fantasies of “frustrated virgin[s]” or the work of trolls. I really hope that’s all it is.
But we should remember that slutHATE is essentially a reincarnation of PUAhate, an online forum that was frequented by a young man named, yes, Elliot Rodger, who posted similarly hateful and similarly implausible-sounding comments there before setting out one evening a little over a year ago, intending to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
H/T — MoonMetropolis
Hah hah hah! You’re so self-absorbed and lacking in reflection that you thought I was angry at you! I don’t know how you manage to keep stepping in it over and over without realizing that the stink is coming from you!
Completely unintentionally, and without any comprehension of what she’s done here, AllisonW has highlighted the connection that exists between empowerment and agency, and victim-blaming. I’m going to just sit here a moment and lol about that.
Eh. Like I say, I personally haven’t had it that bad. I still appreciate the consideration and the offer, as well as the way you’ve treated me, EJ. I do. Thank you.
On the subject of the violence of your tribe, I actually can understand the desire to protect people you care about, even with force. But, quite possibly like you, I can’t agree with it being concentrated in the hands of a specific demographic alone. Be that a specific gender or a specific race: it looks like the tribe of Eugene Terreblanche favoured concentrating violent power in the hands of white men specifically, though I could use a nap and I may have taken the wrong thing out of the article. One party having the power of violence and the other party not is a recipe for nothing but disaster, so much so that I’d sooner both parties have that power just to make engaging in abuse an unsafe action for both parties. I can also *understand* the wish for a world where neither party has that power, but I don’t have any particular faith that violent power can actually be eliminated to the point that we don’t have to think about how to manage violent power anymore, and I’m too married to anger to actually dream of that perfectly peaceful world myself.
As for mindfulness therapy, I haven’t done that specifically as a form of therapy, but I actually do try to pay attention to my feelings. I actually used to be a much angrier person than I am now, perish the thought, and the thing where I accepted that there is evil in myself and in humanity in general is a two-way street. One of the things that brought me around to understanding evil as part of the human condition and not simply as an aberration was learning more about the evil in myself, even if I don’t act on it in ways like actually going out and hurting people. Mine runs more along the lines of the desire to pay evil unto evil. I don’t act on it myself, but it’s satisfying to see when it does happen.
PoM: you protest a lot. I like it when you do that, kiddo.
I also don’t agree for a second that I engaged in any victim-blaming at all. Clearly you must believe that all forms of individual empowerment are direct attacks on any form of collective action.
Also, EJ, I appreciate your “among friends” sentiment, but PoM clearly doesn’t consent to being my friend. That’s fine; i wouldn’t want to be her friend, either.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/annoyed.gif
Allison: think about why you’re saying what you’re saying. What do you hope to achieve by it? I understand that you want to win an internet fight, but in all of human history nobody has ever succeeded in doing that. All you’re going to do is alienate people and feel even shittier about it afterwards.
You have made your argument. People have stated that they disagree. Endless rounds of repeating the argument in the hopes that it will work this time around are not productive. Let’s move on to a new topic.
Furthermore, PoM has just pointed out to you that your insistence on individual empowerment reads as victim-blaming. The correct answer to this is not “I am not a victim-blamer!” but “thank you for pointing that out; it was not intended but I can see how it reads that way. Let me consider my position and see if I can make my point without victim-blaming.”
De-escalate. It doesn’t take away your dignity: there is nothing less dignified than internet rage posting. Save your energy for the
Judean People’s FrontMRAs.(Is Allison getting really serial-killer-y, or have I just been watching too much Dexter?)
@SFHC
Maybe. At the very least anger issues that need to be addressed, ASAP.
LOL!
Mere ASCII cannot convey how fucking hard I’m laughing at you right now.
@PoM
That just sounded really creepy to me, PoM. I made an ick face when I first read what Allison wrote. Just not right.
EJ, I actually felt pretty good yesterday, though I can see where you’re coming from.
I was going to keep going with this argument, but then you pointed out that I’m participating in the circular firing squad myself and I deflated, so, fuck it. I’ll agree to try it your way if PoM will too.
@Jackie
It’s not creepy, just an attempt to pull an age condescension on me. That invariably makes me laugh. It’s like when someones tries to card me. I was at a wine festival three years ago and I was carded. I couldn’t stop laughing all day.
Pandapool: it sounds like you’re suggesting I quit the med that lists hostility as a side effect. Nope, I would never. I’d rather have anger issues than untreated depression.
Yeah, not when you immediately turn around and try to accuse Jackie of ableism out of literally nowhere.
@Allison
How was I supposed to know the medication you’ve never mention makes you more hostile when you’ve blamed your anger on an “angry” upbringing in “angry” America or whatever you said in those long posts I didn’t read all the way through?
… Okay, between that and the screeching Libertarian (is there any other kind?) who accused me of homophobia yesterday after I asked him to explain why Viagra is covered by health insurance but the pill isn’t if the answer isn’t pure sexism…
I’m very confused.
Pandapool: because I actually did mention it; I scrolled up to make sure I didn’t just imagine that I mentioned it. I apologise if I sounded like I was accusing you of anything; it was one line in a lot of text. But I am on an antidepressant that causes hostility, and I don’t have any intentions of quitting it. I’ve tried a whole lot of different antidepressant cocktails over the past decade and a half, and this is the only one that’s had any appreciable effect.
(Just caught up and yeeeeesh)
Allison W: At this point, I’m not sure how you can’t see how there’s victim blaming in what you’re saying. It’s been pointed out numerous times by numerous people.
Here’s what you started with:
What I’ve bolded are the victim-blaming parts. You might not mean it as victim-blaming, but it is. Because the flip-side of “train young women from day one to have the aggression and sense of self-worth to decide instantaneously that their right to not be beaten, raped or murdered” is always “how could you have allowed yourself to be raped? If you had fought back hard enough and had the self-esteem you wouldn’t have been raped. You must have wanted it. After all, if you hadn’t, he’d be dead/seriously maimed right now.” That’s because we live in a rape culture. That’s because we live in a culture where, when a predator victimizes a person, the person being victimized is seen as “failing” in some way – not being strong enough or smart enough or with enough self-esteem to prevent themselves from being a “victim.” We have such contempt for victims, as if being victimized by a predator makes a person lesser.
And the thing is, it’s bullshit. Predators prey. That is what they do. They are opportunistic. They look for openings. They look for ways to operate that will fly under the radar of what society considers wrong. It has nothing to do with how “strong” or how much self-esteem a potential victim has or how prepared they are to defend themselves or how armed they are or how open we as a society are to women using deadly force in their self defense. Because predators understand the societal framework within which they are operating and seek to exploit it. And no one, no one, is 100% invulnerable and on guard at all times. We trust people we know, who are supposed to be our friends, who are family, who are in positions of authority over us. We trust these people because, otherwise, as a society, we would not be able to function. And predators exploit this trust to find an opening. It is what predators do. And telling the victims that they need to be strong and defend themselves better is not going to stop how predators operate. Predators will just use that to their advantage. It’s what predators do. The only way to stop this is to put the onus on the predators, not the victims, and highlight how predators operate and refuse to give them that societal cover to operate. Y’know, like what feminists are doing in regards to the criticism of rape culture. Like what the “Don’t Be That Guy” poster campaign is doing. What “teach rapists not to rape” is designed to do. It’s not that it’s going to teach a predator not to be a predator. It’s taking away the societal cover under which predators operate.
This is why you are getting pushback.
What is even going on here… I must have read the comments, like, three times and I still don’t understand.
Who even fucking knows anymore. =P
These articles are relevant:
Meet the predators
Predator redux
And this thread needs more brain bleach:
http://www.freeoboi.ru/images/902770996.jpg
http://terriblycute.com/files/2012/07/Baby-Deer-and-Skunks-632×448.jpg
Sparky: probably because I was fighting with people at the time, including with people pointing it out, so I was disinclined to see it.
So, yes, in that specific light, I could see how someone could take my arguments as a smokescreen for rape apologism (even if I’m grinding my teeth as I say it), because I know that there are actually people who will intentionally misuse individual approaches as a smokescreen for the fact that they actually consider rape to be acceptable. I apologise for exploding the instant I thought someone was taking me for one of those people.
I will continue to support comprehensive models that include both individual *and* collective approaches, and. Not gonna snipe anyone in this post, not gonna snipe anyone in this post.
Depression totally sucks. My sympathies go to anyone who’s managing it. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
Well done on the deescalation, Allison. Listen to sparky. She is not being mean. She is trying to help you understand how to not be horribly offensive to those around you. Read what she said because it’s written with love.