So over on the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) subreddit, the regulars are discussing the various ways they’re oppressed by a Nike-sponsored women-only nighttime 10k run called “We Own the Night.” Basically, it’s Take Back the Night with running, and Nike.
Well, a guy who calls himself “DegradedSerf” is having none of it. Because lesbianism? And a lack of women in the stage-construction business?
The two things I wanted to point out are the obvious lesbian connotations, there are DJs and dancing and what not until late, women only on a massive scale, and the fact that although the theme is claiming public spaces at night for females, I worked on assembling and deassembling all the stages, lighting, etc. etc. and there were no women working on the whole site.
You know, I hate to tell you this, fella, but there are places where there is lesbian dancing and “what not until late” every single night of the week. Also karaoke, sometimes. Google “lesbian bars.”
So anyway, “We Own the Night” is a sign of the End Times for normal manly men.
If you combine it with the slutwalk phenomenon now women have more rights and privileges than ever before and now a feature of the political and cultural landscape is these mass, semi-sexual, female only (eunuchs sometimes tolerated) demonstrations that public space, (physical and psychological) belongs to women and they intend to make it inimical to males and no expression of masculinity will be tolerated.
DegradedSerf’s lament about the slut walks inspired this little exchange:
![Nicholas_ 5 points 1 day ago Knowing the fact that slut walks exist make me wish I didn't live on this planet anymore. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]RecQuery 1 point 5 hours ago I sometimes wish we could go live in a colony somewhere just to show the world what things would be like without us. Even if you don't engage you're still supporting society by being there.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/slutwalkconvo.png?resize=471%2C244&ssl=1)
Huh. I’ll admit, there are a number of things that sometimes cause me to think I don’t want to live on this planet any more. You know, like genocide, rape as a weapon of war, the millions of people on earth who are living in extreme poverty, that sort of thing.
This guy is driven to existential despair by … women protesting rape.
It’s cool. 😀
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Yes because AVFM stole the name from the REAL white ribbon organization (and you know, they never actually say what they DO with the money she raises to help men)
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/a-voice-for-men-has-set-up-a-phony-white-ribbon-website-to-coopt-the-international-anti-violence-campaign-of-that-name/
Fine. You might even be able to imagine a society where everyone walks around naked and the women are actually treated well.
Now, I don’t believe in biological determinism. You can probably get people to do almost anything with the right social pressures. However, there are underlying facts of human nature that make certain societies more likely or easier to achieve – and the liberal dream world where we all walk around in the nip *without it even generating a sexual thought* and without those sexual thoughts causing any discomfort is going to require a lot of work. Maybe that is a worthwhile project – but it isn’t going to just happen because you realize it’s possible and think it might be rather nice.
So, in my opinion we don’t really have a fundamental right to dress as we please without regard to how it affects others, how we dress does generate sexual feelings in others, and that may cause discomfort. However, at the same time, the clothing someone chooses to wear could never be used as a justification for any act of violence against them.
A white woman’s lie could burn down an entire town. That is power.
Dammit. My last comment was a rather spectacular blockquote fail. I didn’t say any of that.
That was from a troll last week. I have no idea why that pasted instead of what I wanted to paste.
Snuffy I have seen that article and I call bullshit. Saying Pizzey’s site is phony doesn’t make it true. Getting someone in the news to spread your propaganda for you doesn’t make it true.
Erin Pizzey is the real deal. Read her book Prone to Violence and you know what is in her heart.
The troll who wants to beat women also wants to claim credit for helping end domestic violence. How ironic can he get, ladies and gentlemen?
When did a white woman’s lie burned a town? Other than during an unfortuant accident on the stage of The Crucible.
@Rebecca, so where’s the donated money going for Pizzey’s white ribbon org? Where have they published the information outlining what they’re using it for? Please link. And why borrow the name of an existing org without permission?
Heh. I’m going to try this again:
Rebecca:
Look children! A “feminists killed Erin Pizzey’s dog” in the wild!
That’s because it is. I actually, I believe the website Pizzey nominally runs is called white ribbon.com, which is clearly supposed to sound like the real white ribbon site, as if the two were affiliated. Which they are definitely not.
@Rebecca, sure go ahead and ignore that AVFM deliberately took the name of a pre-existing organization an tried to claim that THEY were the REAL organization an that the one with a long history of actual activism was the FRAUD. Care to tell me what AVFM’s white ribbon org has actually done? The real white ribbon has rallies and does more than just collect donations.
Because Pizzey is a fraud who doesn’t believe in most forms of domestic abuse, and indeed, is an admitted domestic abuser herself. Now why does AVFM, “Compassion for men and boys,” stand behind somebody who has physically assaulted her husband?
(Spoiler alert: They’re also frauds. And you’re going to get banned as soon as the boss is online, so I hope you have a few other feminine-named socks on standby if you want to continue spraying your explosive diarrhoea everywhere.)
@Ima Pseudonym (Hmm, I have a sneaking suspicion that’s not your real name.)
Yeah, I pretty much agree with that article. Also, in the cities I’ve visited, the famously gay neighborhoods with bars have almost always been dominated by demographically by men while lesbians simply live elsewhere.
Here’s a good article about the completely ignored differences between gay and lesbian demographics.
http://contexts.org/articles/lesbian-geographies/
Feminists oppose “equality” that is at the expense of others.
Feminism is only “lies and hate” if you’re an anti-feminist.
Anti-feminist women are fueled by a veritable truck-load of internalized misogyny, especially when they buy into toxic gender roles and try to get the favor of manospherian men because they “aren’t like other girls”.
Orly? Considering that I’ve never heard a peep from Erin Pizzey, but have spoken to a lot of people who are victim-survivors of domestic violence and organizations dedicated to stopping it, I’d say “no”.
Ey, finally you say something true!
Feminism is all about stopping women from being battered, but we’re also all about talking about the damage women can do as well. We know that women are not precious little angels who can do no wrong and who are just as capable of violence and abuse as men are.
Thanks for telling us what we already knew!
Obviously this needs to be said: not every feminist agrees with what these feminists did. Threatening someone and killing their pet is wrong, and that shouldn’t have happened.
However, holding these actions above the heads of every feminist is rather unfair, considering feminism is made up of so many groups, with a myriad of goals.
Actually, she does own whiteribbon.org. We never denied that.
However, it’s an impersonator site which was meant to pull funds away from the real site and funnel them into AVfM, rather than to help those “battered women” you seem to care so much about.
The real White Ribbon is whiteribbon.ca.
We really need more moderators. :/
@paradoxical intention
Events like ‘Take Back the Night ’are primarily about sending a message. Just to be clear; I’m not saying men’s presence equals legitimacy, it’s more a case of “Hey, we’re not personally affected, but we can see the problem of not being able to move about a public space without fear.” Anyway, not all of the marches are gender restricted.
I’m going to go ahead and live the rest of my life without knowing what’s in Erin Pizzey’s heart.
@Over-easy
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Katz I said feminist need for women to be raped and beaten because that is how they make their money. I should add the disclaimer that not all feminists are like that.
Pandapool Rosewood burned down because a white woman accused a black man of beating her. Witnesses said it was her lover who beat her and she lied to conceal her affair. The old feminists- some of them- were horribly racist and used it to promote themselves. The Klan carried a banner saying, “”First and Always Protect Womanhood” right before Rosewood burned.
I think the biggest issue is the specific comments from one or two people tend to get generalized to the “manosphere”, or some other monolithic group, which is not at all unifor on that level. When a few pickup artists on that garbage heap ROK made a fuss about Mad Max, it was then subsequently applied to MRA’s, an entirely different breed of crazy. That’s just sloppy debating, and it galvanizes your opposition.
So if men see the problem, which is men forcing themselves into places (or women’s personal space) and making women feel unsafe and/or attacking them outright, why should they force themselves into a place that is meant to be a safe space for women?
And why is that “antagonistic” on the behalf of women?
And how is men making the “Take Back the Night” rally inclusive to them even though they’re not affected by it going to make any of this better?
Your ace in the hole happened in… 1923. Seriously?
Yeah, going back to my original “Not worth it” stance.
And how is any of that related to Feminism and not traditional gender roles of women needing men’s protection and women having “honor” that had to be defended (by men)?
And since when is the KKK a “feminist organization”?
Wiki says it happened in 1923, she wasn’t raped, and her white lover likely beaten her and a black man was accused.
That’s more like, you know, racism then feminism.
Why do they always think there’s money in being feminist?