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Young women with tattoos are “dickless Queequegs” abusing their freedom, possible threat to Men’s Rights

A tattoo of the NotoriousRBG will drive the misogynists away. Tattoo by Nikki Lugo of Tattoo Paradise. Click for her Instagram
A tattoo of the NotoriousRBG should work to drive the misogynists away. Tattoo by Nikki Lugo of Tattoo Paradise. Click for her Instagram

Are tattooed women a threat to Men’s Rights? Last week, the editors of A Voice for Men decided to promote “compassion for men and boys,” as the site’s old motto had it, by publishing a long and exceedingly creepy jeremiad against young women who taint their “radiant” young skin with icky tattoos, thereby ruining things for the men of the world.

In a post titled “Tattoos, good judgement and women,” Doug Mortimer, a self-described Man Going His Own Way of long standing, reminisces at length about the good old days, when the dancers at his favorite “topless bar” were as free of tattoos as they were of tops.

I used to occasionally pay a visit to one of the many local topless bars – pardon me, gentleman’s clubs – so I could wallow in a state of beer-buzzed, middle-aged, semi-arousal.

Sorry to put that image in your head so early in the day. (Or, whenever you happen to be reading this.)

By the late 1990s, tattoos were all the rage. It was almost impossible to see a dancer without a tramp stamp or some other symbol or picture, meaningful or meaningless (to me if not to her). I simply could not fathom why a young woman, with her skin at its peak of radiance and health, would do anything to detract from it.

Readers with sensitive stomachs may want to skip the next bit here.

Flat-chested or full figure; statuesque or petite; blond, brunette, or redhead, healthy skin tone is a key component of neoteny and nubility.

I’m not sure I really needed to hear a dude who was already middle-aged two decades ago wax poetic about the “neoteny and nubility” of women young enough to be his granddaughters.

In 1998, Mortimer tells us, he grew so frustrated by the tattoos adorning the “female flesh” he was paying to ogle that he quit going to “gentlemen’s clubs” altogether.

Despite Mortimer’s bold and principled stand, the young women of America continued to get tattoos. Today, Mortimer reports with horror, one survey found that “25% of all men under 25 have at least one tattoo; for women in that age group, the number is 47%.”

He warns young men to think twice about getting into relationships with these terrible tattooed women.

After all, you’re going to be looking at them every day, possibly till death do you part. Do you really want to cuddle up long-term with a dickless Queequeg?

Mortimer goes on to suggest that the popularity of tattoos amongst young women suggests that maybe they really don’t deserve freedom after all.

Ultimately, you have to seriously question the judgment of a young woman who would make a permanent commitment to something as trivial as body art. Of course, good judgment is only rarely associated with young women, which is why young women are kept on a short leash in traditional societies. When young women are given freedom, they often fuck it up.

Mortimer doesn’t address this directly, but presumably he believes that young men handle their freedom far more wisely, despite considerable video evidence to the contrary.

Mortimer is quick to assure his readers that he is well aware that young women without tattoos can also be terrible freedom-abusers who should probably be kept on a “short leash” as well.

That doesn’t mean a tattoo-free woman can’t be fucked up, but one who is tattooed…well, no matter what the design, it might as well be a big red warning flag.

Well, no. But, given the disgust that Mortimer and many other denizens of the manosphere feel towards tattooed women, tattoos could perhaps be better described as magical talismans offering protection from a certain kind of creepy woman-hating shitbag.

In any case, it’s pretty hard to imagine Mortimer’s post convincing any self-respecting woman, young or old, to cancel an appointment at the local tattoo parlor; I suspect that, if anything, it could have an opposite effect.

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Scarlettathena
6 years ago

Oh – Blockquote fail! And I thought I did the right sacrifices and poured the correct libations….

granted, most of that wine probz went into my belly.

dudeinthewoods
dudeinthewoods
6 years ago

It’s been a long time since I read Moby Dick but isn’t Queequeg a master harpooner and general badass?

That doesn’t really help make their point.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ Scarletathena

My point is that there are things about life we can’t change.

I’m a big fan of Marcus Aurelius’ ‘Meditations’

The one thing he forgot to cover though was “I remind myself I will see hot women who will make my pants tingle but not immediately bang me; I’ll not insist they wear burlap to spare my feelings. I also remember that I will see girls with tattoos; I won’t demand that they have laser removal because it’s not quite to my taste”.

RoscoeTCat
RoscoeTCat
6 years ago

Oh, well, time to get inked! It’s Dworkin for me!

Tina S
Tina S
6 years ago

Now i am for sure getting another tattoo.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Paradoxical Intention
“E.L. James is going to be further ripping off Twilight by re-writing her books from Christian Grey’s point of view.”

http://media.giphy.com/media/rod1LnilW2rDO/giphy.gif
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130313213516/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/0/0a/My-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-untitled.gif
I really do hope she will acknowledge that he is indeed evil and that this is not how relationships work.

Lisa
Lisa
6 years ago

Quick everyone get a tattoo…it is like kryptonite to MRA’s, you will never be bothered by them again…lol.

I wonder if these people realise that no one really has to parody them…they do a perfect job on themselves.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie,

Well, the snippets of chapters that she’s already rewritten from his p.o.v. reveals that he started stalking Ana the moment that she left his office, and he legitimately sounds like a serial killer, so maybe that means that she’s finally acknowledged what she’s written and will finally set her fanbase straight about the nature of Christian and Ana’s relationship.

@Lisa,

Unfortunately, I don’t think that they’ll stop bothering women who get tattoos. They’ll just harass them by yelling at them rather than sexually harass them by hitting on them.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Alaisvex
It gives me goosebumps just thinking about all this

And yes sadly tattoos won’t keep the creeps away they’ll still harass us plus other people as well. “Tattoos are so gross” “Are you doing this for attention?” Etc.

My reaction whenever I hear people say stuff like that including men that have to share their opinion.
http://youtu.be/gutCFMc5khY

scyllacat
6 years ago

@dudeinthewoods: It’s a homophobe thing. you understand.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

I would love for James to write the new books as a revelation that Christian is, indeed, just a narcissistic sociopath, maybe even throw in the twist that the abuse he talks about never actually happened, it was just a ploy to try and get Ana to pity him and thus overlook his abuse. More so, I would love for her to write with all the character development, mature prose and engaging plot that the first trilogy lacked – and lo, it will be revealed that she was just trolling everyone with the initial books all along.

cupisnique
6 years ago

So today I had a coffee date with a guy who I figured out pretty quickly was into men’s rights, and he told me he thinks women as a group are devious, but apparently that doesn’t cloud his feelings towards individual women who can be totally cool (riiiight). And I think his main reason for feeling like women were devious was that they totally do care about men’s looks but lie about it and claim otherwise. But men that’s all they care about and that’s totally ok. I was pretty shocked and repulsed but weirdly fascinated like watching a train wreck.

Carayak
Carayak
6 years ago

Just wanna say, these people’s usage of the term “neoteny” is squicky on innumerable levels.

GhostBird
GhostBird
6 years ago

I already have two tattoos, and I plan on getting several more – each becoming more visible and larger as I achieve my life goals. One I really want is a band of binary code wrapped around my upper arm, which would translate to my favorite line from the Cyborg Manifesto: ‘The cyborg would not recognize the Garden of Eden; it is not made of mud and cannot dream of returning to dust.’

Spindrift
Spindrift
6 years ago

@cupisnique

Awh, that’s aweful. Hope you have better luck next time.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

MRAs and MGTOWs are toooooootally different, and nobody should ever mistake one for another. I mean, look, a self-identified MGHOW posted on a major MRA blog, giving us a creepy boner update identical to one that PUAs bang on about all the time.

Totally different, you guys!

Also: for those who would like a tattoo but are fearful of needles, the needle used in tattooing is not like the one used in syringes. I have a terrible needle phobia, but got a tattoo just fine. That’s not to say that you are guaranteed to be fine, but the possibility does exist.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@GhostBird

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Gaebolga
Gaebolga
6 years ago

dudeinthewoods wrote:

It’s been a long time since I read Moby Dick but isn’t Queequeg a master harpooner and general badass?

Yes, he was. He was also a more decent person than most of the crew. Certainly written with a fair bit of “noble savage,” but for its time, he was a rather complex non-white character.

GhostBird
GhostBird
6 years ago

Awwww, thank you Pandapool! *copies and pastes and saves for later*

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@GhostBird

NP.

I don’t know where you’re going to, but if they have UV ink, that would look pretty cool with some UV ink.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HXSXUKUxC7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Cupisnique

Wow right on a date too. Sorry hope you find someone else.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Panda pool
That’s so cool

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

It would be really cool to have a kind of black bar that has the binary cut out of it and have the UV ink so it glows green under blacklight.

It would probably hurt a lot, though, with more inking needed than just the 0s and 1s.

GhostBird
GhostBird
6 years ago

@pandapool
That ink looks awesome! That being said, I’m probably going to stick with basic black, as that’s what I’ve done for my other tattoos. I’d love more color but I don’t feel it would look right on my skin.

GhostBird
GhostBird
6 years ago

Though that black with UV does sound awfully cool….and I’m pretty pain tolerant when it comes to most things….

idledillettante
6 years ago

I notice a lot of folks are asking how to ward off jerks without getting a tat. I have some advice in this regard.

Certain jewelry can also trip the misogynist’s need to make disparaging comments, just like a tattoo would. I wear a silver pentagram and it’s a perfect test: cool people tend to compliment the pentagram and frat jerks glare at it like the jewelry insults them. Some of them even ask jerk questions about it, or accuse me of wearing a pentagram to get attention.

Ankhs, eyes of Horus, spikey jewelry, and tentacle motifs usually will do the trick too. But a pentacle works the best. “Normal feminine” jewelry like crosses, Magen Davids, pearl necklaces, or those Irish heart rings generally won’t work for this. You need jewelry that’s a little outside of the norm and noticeably “alternative”.

But in general, any dude who gets on your case for wearing your hair/skin/self the way you like to is basically declaring he’s a huge jerk who feels entitled to your appearance.

So, pentagrams. They’ll show the jerks in your group like some kinda jerk dowsing rod.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@GhostBird

Best part. Only shows up under UV lighting. It’s invisible otherwise, unless you use UV ink that’s suppose to show in normal light.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@idledillettante

Sweet, already have a pentacle I wear all the time. Even sleep in it.

Dudebros are like vampires, ya know.

drst
drst
6 years ago

I have never ever wanted a tattoo in my life but this post makes me think I should get one just to keep these losers away.

idledillettante
6 years ago

@pandapool – absolutely. They won’t be able to resist getting offended about the pentagram. It’s winnowed out so many bad dudes for me that I don’t know what I’d do without it.

idledillettante
6 years ago

Unrelated note: my antivirus keeps detecting (and denying) a download of one of the tattoo images someone linked to on this page… “Watercolor skull tattoos by britta Christensen”.

I’m using Kaspersky and it says the image contains a Trojan heuristic. I’m sure nobody intentionally linked to bad code but I want to let other viewers know.

idledillettante
6 years ago

The image detected is the third one in paradoxical intention’s post at the top of the page. It shows up as a broken image to me and my antivirus repeatedly blocks it from downloading malicious code each time I reload this page.

Perhaps the Dark Lord could remove the link? I’ll email him.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@idledillettante

It’s a broken pic that Paradoxical linked above the hibiscus one and below the cat tat.

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

To be fair, this dude makes a pretty good argument against tattoos

http://i.imgur.com/svDQJx2.jpg

Kimstu
Kimstu
6 years ago

For what surely must be the world’s greatest song about tattoos (performed by Ethel Merman and Mitzi Gaynor in male-sailor drag, no less), check out “A Sailor’s Not a Sailor (Till a Sailor’s Been Tattooed)” from the Irving Berlin musical “There’s No Business Like Show Business”.

Can’t find the actual clip from the movie online, but you can find the cast recording audio at

and a cover by Carlotta Gurl and Mandy Kamp at

DL
DL
6 years ago

This reminds me, I need to schedule that appointment now that I have time for it. I want the Autobot insignia on my chest because I am a nerd lord.

Phoenix Woman
6 years ago

“I would love for James to write the new books as a revelation that Christian is, indeed, just a narcissistic sociopath, maybe even throw in the twist that the abuse he talks about never actually happened, it was just a ploy to try and get Ana to pity him and thus overlook his abuse. More so, I would love for her to write with all the character development, mature prose and engaging plot that the first trilogy lacked – and lo, it will be revealed that she was just trolling everyone with the initial books all along.”

That would only happen if Margaret Atwood or Susie Bright kidnapped James and locked her in a room somewhere, then stepped in to ghostwrite for her.

No, I’m afraid that since these are Twilight fanfics, they will contain the Twilight ethos (and do remember that the Twilight series was written by a Mormon authoress and praised by the high Mormon misogynist himself, Orson Scott Card).

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Catalpa

That is the greatest coincidence of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

And Isis is such an awesome goddess, those dicks.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@cupisnoque

I’ve known a lot of MRA types who tried to sell their sexism to me by telling me that I’m an exception to their rules about women. One literally said that he considered me to be “slightly deviated from the standard female.” But somehow, those deviations never made them behave more respectfully to me

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

alaisvex | June 1, 2015 at 5:03 pm
(To clarify, I don’t think that those things are malicious. It’s the manosphere that thinks that women can do harm to men by looking a certain way and not having sex.)

Also, Paradoxical Intention, I have this futile hope that E.L. James will use the new series to reveal that she knows that Christian is an abusive rapist and probable murderer and that the first series was actually about a woman who was so manipulated by him that she was brainwashed into not recognizing his evil.

Considering that James says things like pointing out abuse in her books marginalizes abuse survivors and demonizes women who like BDSM, I’m going to say…no (unfortunately).

idledillettante | June 1, 2015 at 8:28 pm
The image detected is the third one in paradoxical intention’s post at the top of the page. It shows up as a broken image to me and my antivirus repeatedly blocks it from downloading malicious code each time I reload this page.

Perhaps the Dark Lord could remove the link? I’ll email him.

Aw, really? My antivirus didn’t say a word. : / And it’s showing up just fine on my browser (Opera).

If it is doing that for some people though, David should remove the link.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention,

Yeah, she really is awful, and she seems to be deeply in denial about her books. Sometimes I wonder if someone handed her a pamphlet on identifying relationship red flags, and she mistook it for a guide on writing a romantic hero.

katz
6 years ago

As with all tattoo-related threads, I feel the obligatory need to link to this article.

Liza Eckert (@thelizakate)

If tattoos keep MRAs away, then ink me up.

Social Justice Road Warrior
Social Justice Road Warrior
6 years ago

Hey all, been lurking for ages, but had to share this as relevant to the topic:
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/nov/16/sp-the-tattooed-trafficking-survivors-reclaiming-their-past

kupo
kupo
6 years ago

In regards to the image in question, I ran a scan of it on virus total, and it came back clean on all of the URL scanners that had a result available. Of course, it’s possible those scanners don’t have the signature that is tipping off your virus protection, or it could just be a false positive from the virus protection. It’s never easy to tell with these things because new malware emerges constantly, so it’s best to be safe and remove it.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/12b91b46c28b9d76bb068fd6f86c62a8822dc744c2eaf615b3a78aa642d34ca3/analysis/1433215500/

tyro
6 years ago

This just makes me even more antsy to get the Mystery Science Theater 3000 silhouette tramp stamp I’ve been wanting for five years now. How many minds would I blow with that thing? Especially when I say it’s in remembrance of my late father, who was a big fan.

I’m definitely planning to get more tattoos than that one, and I want Joel and the ‘bots to be riffing on every single one.

Falconer
6 years ago

@shaenon:

I got a tattoo to commemorate finishing my first comic strip. My husband likes to kiss it.

D’awww.

@PI:

*GASP*

Do you know what would be perfect?

Raz in a Godzilla kirigumi.

Because that’s pretty much what I do when I play that level.

Dammit, I’m going to have to showcase my execrable art skills now, because that image is a thing that needs to exist.

@fruitloopsie:

Shannon
“Hey, Queequeg was no angel. He ate his previous owner.”

I take back of what I said then.

To be fair to poor Queequeg, his owner was elderly and passed away, and no one found her (or fed him) for several days.

Lord knows what that dear old lady called him, but there’s a reason Scully named him Queequeg.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Falconer | June 1, 2015 at 11:05 pm
Dammit, I’m going to have to showcase my execrable art skills now, because that image is a thing that needs to exist.

If I didn’t lose my tablet pen, I’d totally be doing it myself. : I

Rita
Rita
6 years ago

Maybe this can be a new contest for us here, Cats with Tattoos? Not real ones, of course, but photoshop….