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A Voice for Men triumphantly cancels its conference; supporters declare victory

Say it ain’t so, Paul! A Voice for Men’s second “International Conference on Men’s Issues” has been … cancelled!

No one could have seen that coming, huh?

Anyway, in a “Bulletin” on AVFM yesterday, AVFM “CEO” Paul Elam tried his best to explain away this little embarrassment:

At the outset it would appear that this is a piece of bad news, and of course it is, but it is news that we are taking in context here at AVFM.

The “context?” The conference was a failure waiting to happen from the moment it was first announced. And not because of opposition from the international feminist conspiracy. Nope. Even Men’s Rights Activists, normally a fairly gullible group, were underwhelmed by the conference lineup (consisting mostly of completely undistinguished AVFMers) and a bit stunned by the high ticket price. 

Elam will now be issuing refunds to anyone silly enough to have actually bought a ticket. Which shouldn’t take long. I can’t imagine there were more than three of them.

His explanation for this bit of bad news that isn’t really bad news, if you think about it: Apparently, organizing a conference is really hard — especially, I assume, when apparently no one wants to go to it and you’re left struggling to explain to your supporters why it’s not a total ripoff, honest!

Since last June we have been consumed with planning the [the now-cancelled conference]. We have the resources to do it well enough. However, we had to pull resources that we would normally use to take on direct activism, such as cases like Vladek Filler, and run the most prominent publication on men’s issues available.

So the conference was getting in the way of your ability to harass women on the internet do important “direct activism?”

We simply have not grown to the point to do everything simultaneously. … We found out by nearly burning out every member of our staff.

Poor babies. Announcing things is easy. Doing them is hard. Which is perhaps why AVFM is so much better at announcing than doing. Remember AVFM’s March on Washington to “Sink Misandry” by protesting the evacuation protocols of The Titanic? Oh, probably not; like a lot of things announced on AVFM, it never happened.

It was clear that the most reasonable one was to forego conferencing plans and return to what we do best until such a time that we have the ability to do more. We need some rest followed by a return to our roots which is precisely what we are going to do.

Rest as long as you have to, Paul. And then rest some more.

I realize fully that some of our opponents will view this as some sort of defeat for us or victory for them.

 

Huh. Why would anyone see this giant defeat for AVFM as a defeat for AVFM? It’s baffling!

Whatevs. We never let them define us to begin with.

Well, that’s certainly true, if by “them” you mean “people still connected to reality.” In the comments to Elam’s “bulletin,” the site’s supporters are … declaring victory. No, really.

To “Pinetree,” the cancellation is evidence of AVFM’s “huge growth” in its non-conference-canceling activities.

pinetree • 12 hours ago Good decision! The huge growth since the last conference has overwhelmed and even burned out some. Too many other things happening right now. Next year will be a lot more appropriate.

Partridge was if anything even more excited by this massive failure great victory.

Partridge • 19 hours ago In no way is this a defeat for AVfM or the MHRM. If anything it is a sign of our impressive success in recent years and, rightly and wisely, you have decided not to allow this success to put AVfM in jeopardy by growing too big too quickly, thereby overstretching the organisation's human and financial resources.  Far from being a setback, this decision will allow AVfM and the MHRM to grow and develop at their own natural pace and avoid the fate of many organisations and movements whose fires burn too brightly before burning themselves out.  Our struggle was always going to be a long one, but whatever our opponents may say or do in response, we're not going away, and our ultimate success and victory over ideological feminism is assured, as feminism's evils become more and more self-evident to humanity, both men and women.

 

To the strange and excitable fellow who calls himself Isaac T. Quill, the true extent of AVFM’s glorious victory could be seen in the fact that

after 15+ hours even Mr Desperate for Click Bait Futrelopath has not managed to rush anything into print! He’s still fixated on the launch of a trailer for “The Sarkesian Effect” …

It seems the poor lambs are all nonplussed and are unable to cope! So that’s FTSU++++ RESULT!

Huh. I will admit that I didn’t spend my Saturday night obsessively refreshing AVFM for updates. And that after making the little video masterpiece in my last post I kind of slept late today. So I only recently heard about your little bit of misfortune.

Sorry, your HUMONGOUS VICTORY. RESULT!!1!

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aussiesmurf
aussiesmurf
5 years ago

I admire your confidence that all paid-up ticket buyers will receive refunds. What are the odds that some funds will be kept for ‘handing’ or ‘non-refundable deposits’??

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Harassing women on the internet and talking amongst themselves about how terrible women are is so tiring and emotionally draining.

No, really. Hating all the time is exhausting. It’s no wonder they have no energy left to do the same thing in meatspace.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Someone really thought it took time for David to post on this because the news had him all flustered and upset? Huh? That makes zero sense. I don’t think there’s even been a term invented yet for the level of delusion these people are living in.

Rosemary
Rosemary
5 years ago

Too bad for their ”conference manager” who was going to go on her first ever plane ride. I hope she didn’t buy her plane ticket already.

Snuffy
Snuffy
5 years ago

Having a conference 1 year and no conference the next does not indicate a growing movement.

Funny how they never indicate which other activism projects they’re going to do instead, no plans for a men’s shelter, no funds going to men’s health research, no money for activism on behalf of injured vets. I can only assume that means more yelling at women, that’s the only thing they ever manage to follow through with.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

For some reason the latest GoT is not showing up on HBO Go yet. Can some kind MRA tell me how I can kid myself into believing that this is wonderful news and not actually really annoying and frustrating because I’ve been waiting for this episode for months? I just don’t know how to do it.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

However, we had to pull resources that we would normally use to take on direct activism, such as cases like Vladek Filler

I admit to curiosity about what AVFM has done for/about Vladek Filler, aside from write articles about him. I suspect “nothing,” since they seem to think that talking constitutes activism, but I wait to be surprised.

Tanya Nguyen
5 years ago

MHRA??

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

15 hours? David, how could you neglect them so? Nearly a whole day? They can’t stand being ignored that long. It gives them a sad.

http://citybeat.com/cincinnati/imgs/media.images/10726/cutest%20cat.nar.jpg

We’re lambs? Lambs? Could he mean these lambs?

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/headline1626.gif

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/BS_070816091658406_wideweb__300x375,1.jpg

Seriously though, how can people be so self deluded? I can’t even begin to understand how someone can lack that much self awareness.

http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/05/05/635664522580758512-1763606043_meme.jpg

zyvlyn
zyvlyn
5 years ago

@WWTH

Well, I’m no MRA, so I may be handicapped by my at least tenuous grasp on reality, but I’ll give it a shot…

This is just a sign of your impressive success in tv viewing over the last few years. Far from a setback, you now don’t have to worry about burning yourself out on too much GoT and can refocus your energy on expanding to new TV watching opportunities!

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Snatching defeat from the jaws of defeat. Well done, MRAs! #winning

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

@Lea

Denial is the most common coping mechanism. In their case, I think there’s also something in the Alpha manly code of manliness that ‘if you get in an embarrassing situation, play it off like it never happened, because that’s alpha behavior’. It’s supposed to apply to social situations, but some MRAs (sorry, no H for you) take their theories far too literally.

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

@Tanya: Men’s Human Rights Movement.

Because hatin’ on females is all about human rights.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

In all fairness this is one of the best examples of “staying on message” since that Iraqi press bloke announced that coalition forces had not entered Baghdad whilst he had a coalition tank (complete with waving soldiers) parked behind him.

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

@WWTH – GoT’s now showing up for us.

FifthInterval
5 years ago

Give these guys a break. They’re so stretched thin and burned out by all the … what was it they’re spending their time doing, again?

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

Aside: Anyone know if John Oliver’s back tonight?

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

We should buy that poor British woman-conference manager her first plane ticket so that she can finally fly somewhere, anywhere.

Aunt Edna,
Bad Ideas Haver.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

If anything it is a sign of our impressive success in recent years and, rightly and wisely, you have decided not to allow this success to put AVfM in jeopardy by growing too big too quickly…

Using an inaugural conference as a launching point for greater activities is silly. You’re supposed to rest on your laurels, people. It’s not like you could use that momentum to book more speakers next year and arrange a greater array of panel discussions and workshops. It’s much, much better to instead put together a much more expensive and less impressive conference, and then cancel it due to lack of interest. That lets any excitement you’ve generated die down and mildly interested parties can comfortably forget that you exist.

Sound strategy all around. All that’s missing is JB calling people gendered slurs on Twitter.

chaltab
chaltab
5 years ago

AVFM is literally the Bitcoin of hate movements: Nothing is bad news for AVFM.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
5 years ago

Hahahahahahahaha!! I wasn’t expecting to enjoy this sweet, sweet schadenfreude so soon. Finally Paulie’s greed blew up in his face. Remember that 25K surplus from last year’s security scam that he promised would go towards this year’s conference? He still came out ahead, I’m sure. SUCKERS!

Now it’s back to FTSU.

marinerachel
marinerachel
5 years ago

Can we get Charlie Sheen in here? These guys are “winning”.

Also, I wonder if Paulie spent a chunk of the money tickets were paid with.
Good luck, silly boys, getting your hard earned cash back.

ktrantingredhead
5 years ago

Um. What?

Bazia
Bazia
5 years ago

Thank goodness. I was so worried we would lose our chance for mocquerie, but look, there is much mocquing we can yet do. I guess building bridges between men and women must be postponed as AVFM’s wise leadership is not available. One can only hope that AVFM will not resume blowing up the bridges it was gonna fix.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

@Snuffy

Having a conference 1 year and no conference the next does not indicate a growing movement.

That ship had already sailed. Having a conference 1 year and then a conference with half as many speakers at 10 times the cost the next year does not indicate any tether to reality either. Elam seems to be seriously overestimating how much his cult members love him lately.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

@Policy of Madness

I admit to curiosity about what AVFM has done for/about Vladek Filler, aside from write articles about him.

Oh ye of little faith. These are men’s rights activists we’re talking about, the noblest of God’s creatures. They don’t just write articles about Vladek Filler. They also make interminably long videos about him.

Seriously, how can it take 18+ minutes for Karen Straughn to say “his ex-wife is a lying slut” over and over? I just ate, so I will refrain from watching for now and finding out for myself.

LadyMarchHare
LadyMarchHare
5 years ago

Shit….a handful of early fans had better luck organizing the first Star Trek Convention in 1972. Those grew, year by year however.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

From Elam’s last post about Filler:

I have been watching his case for five, almost six years. I have tried to be as supportive as possible when I could, as many at AVFM have, but mostly I have just followed events to the best of my ability, which is mostly all the justice system allows me to do.

If you were wondering whether Elam had ever tried to raise money for Filler’s legal costs or referred his howler monkeys to Filler’s donation website: No, of course he hasn’t. The justice system doesn’t tolerate Paul Elam pretending to help other people. The entire fabric of space/time might collapse.

skybison
skybison
5 years ago

Wanna bet they’ll announce a conference next year that costs twice as much money and only has two speakers: Paul Elam and his never seen before twin Luap Male.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

I think the problem was that they couldn’t enlist enough women to manage the conference and make it work.

gorillaella
5 years ago

Give JB time. She no doubt will be on Twitter calling all and sundry whores and sluts.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

Sounds about right.

Yes Artistically
Yes Artistically
5 years ago

AVfMenners are definitely some of the most delusional people on planet Earth. I wonder when they plan on doing any real activism. It’s not that hard. Nothing is holding them back.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

JB has already had her little say about “The Failures and Disappointments of ICMI-14.” Apparently she is mucho pissed that journalists did nopt recognize the major contributions of the FeMRAs.

“There was also a distinct shortage of bitter, angry white men, although a few did show up to snarl and sneer through the whole conference. One man in particular was nasty, snide and extremely belittling. His name was Jeff Sharlet of GQ Magazine. He even brought in his own submissive female, instructing her to wander around offering herself to attendees. I strongly encourage AVfM to invite more men of his ilk to ICMI ‘15 if they wish to maintain their image as a cabal of disillusioned, raging ideologues choking on bile and hate. A few more Jeff Sharlets and the equally white, male and raging Adam Serwer and ICMI ‘15 might have a shot at being a gathering place for fuming, emotionally compromised white men.”
[paragraph omitted}
“The only aspect of the conference that was even marginally successful was its ability to attract misogynists. Jessica Roy demonstrated significant hatred on women in her piece for Time Magazine, in which she refused to even acknowledge that women play a significant role in the MHRM. Jeff Sharlet and Adam Serwer, in addition to filling the angry white men quota, supplemented the misogynist category, too. In fact, virtually every reporter attending the event was a raging misogynist openly seething at the women who support and care about men and boys. Increasing press presence should ensure that ICMI ‘15 has a sufficient group of woman-hating Neanderthals at hand.”

She is showing some progress — she manages to rise to her usual level of ragespeak without a single “b-tch”, “wh-re”, or “c-nt”.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Lea-Lol! Lets hope not. XD

http://www.abc.net.au/atthemovies/img/2007/ep27/black01.jpg
comment image

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/154209/black-sheep-o.gif

I loved that movie, by the way. HILARIOUS! But yeah, the AVfMs do take the whole “if you get in an embarrassing situation, play it off like it never happened, because that’s alpha behavior” thing way to literally.

tesformes
5 years ago

Didn’t Paul specifically say that AVFM wasn’t there to do activism of any kind, but to give men a place to talk without being criticized? He said they had no plans to build shelters or introduce legislation or anything like that, so what kind of activism is he spending money on?

Earl
Earl
5 years ago

@GOSJM

A few more Jeff Sharlets and the equally white, male and raging Adam Serwer and ICMI ‘15 might have a shot at being a gathering place for fuming, emotionally compromised white men.

I thought that’s what it was supposed to be anyway? Well, in any case, if they had “a few more Jeff Sharlets” showing up then their attendance numbers would have tripled, so this could only be considered a good thing for them.

Merus
Merus
5 years ago

If they’re such a success but they don’t have the bandwidth to do it themselves, why don’t they employ full-time conference organisers?

I mean apart from the fact that this is a transparent lie.

rugbyyogi
5 years ago

I’ve put together several conferences on a shoe string and in less time than from now until the end of October when they were supposed to have the conference. All it takes is a bit of hard work, some good will, willingness to share credit, and an offer that’s good for conference goers and sponsors alike.

Ah….I see where they went wrong.

katz
5 years ago

Can we get Charlie Sheen in here? These guys are “winning”.

marinerachel
marinerachel
5 years ago

😀

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Elam: “We’re not going to have a conference on hating women, because it would require us to pull resources away from hating women.”

Hmmm. Maybe he’s onto something. Maybe we can persuade him that publishing badly-shopped facebook propaganda is also getting in the way of hating women?

tealily
tealily
5 years ago

Hilarious. Like who didn’t think this year’s farce of a conference wasn’t going to be cancelled as soon as it was announced? Duh. It’s not like they had a successful one last year to inspire any confidence in them. Plus, it should be getting pretty darn obvious to even AVfMers that all Paulie wants is their money without having to deliver much.

Speaking of whom, don’t kid yourself about how little he cares about what his enemies think or say. I think he does care. A lot. He always seems to have the same exact comment about how feminists are going to take his pathetic excuses about something-or-another and then reject it. How convincing.

I know several men that would fit in fairly well with AVfM’s way of thinking and even they think the group is for losers. HINT: When you’re not impressing your fan base, you’re doing something WRONG.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Rereading the original post, does it strike anyone else that the reference to David Futrelle is kind of odd? It’s as though they think he’s the solipsist and nothing they do actually exists unless it gets his attention.

So very alpha.

tealily
tealily
5 years ago

Rereading the original post, does it strike anyone else that the reference to David Futrelle is kind of odd? It’s as though they think he’s the solipsist and nothing they do actually exists unless it gets his attention.

So very alpha.

Yes, it is odd. I don’t think they have any idea how much people already knew this conference would be cancelled. It was a non-issue, but that’s pretty much what denial will get you.

yuvallevental
5 years ago

Well, all I can say to that is good riddance!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Remember AVFM’s March on Washington to “Sink Misandry” by protesting the evacuation protocols of The Titanic?

Wow, I was unaware that AVFM owned a time machine. That explains why all their beliefs seem to have come straight from 1850.

But seriously, we could technically consider them cancelling their conference to be their first foray into real-world activism, because now there won’t be any repeat of last year’s sexual assaults. Thankyou for lowering the rate of sexual violence against women, AVFM!

*hides behind a blast shelter just in case any MRA trolls are lurking* =P

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
5 years ago

“We don’t do any activism, and nor should you expect us to, because we’ve never been about changing things, but now our conference is cancelled, we can focus on all the activism we’re not doing”
Seems legit.

Wonder if Paulie really will refund tickets, or if Paypal will have some kind of technical malfunction… or the ticket price will be considered a non-refundable donation to AVFM… or if he’ll have to deduct half of it for handling fees… or any of the other scams even the laziest of con-men could pull on these gullible rubes.

Mew York Kitty (@CCMSparkster)

I’ll be honest, I would have a bit more respect for these people if they weren’t actually just a bunch of spineless cowards lurking behind computer screens.

I seriously doubt they’d be willing to go through what feminist protesters have gone through throughout the decades. You almost never see them protest IRL and probably for good reason. Their ideas are (rightfully) marginalized in society outside of the internet. They’re internet tough guys and keyboard warriors, merely paper tigers like all the other reactionaries.

Just total losers.

ej
ej
5 years ago

So I actually skimmed through the comments on the comments on the announcement and came across a few other gems from Isaac.

I do wonder if there shouldn’t be local and national meet ups under the banner of FTSU. A Bar, an evening, a meal and fellow feeling – or maybe A weekend, a camp ground, fire light and laughter. Some may think it sounds Homoerotic, but in fact it’s how MEN (and their fellow travellers) have organised for millennia.

Translation: “We should all go camping together, but we’re totes not gay. Only manly men go camping.”

It was also accompanied by this image (which I hope embeds properly):

http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FRkuUXzg.png&key=z_EQtDbj4a1m8JqX-KFbhg&w=800&h=772

Just a hint guys: If you want women to come to your meetup, maybe don’t use an image from the scene in a film where a woman is murdered.

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