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The Top Ten Completely Untrue Things I Learned from GirlWritesWhat’s Red Pill “Ask Me Anything”

Karen "GirlWritesWhat" Straughan: Everything she says is "true"
Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan: Everything she says is “true”

Karen Straughan, the soporific, pseudoscientific YouTube antifeminist, doesn’t seem on the surface much like a “Red Pill Woman.” She’s a single mother with short hair, well past “the wall,” who makes a point of not wearing makeup in her videos.

But she’s got one quality that apparently makes up for all of her other defects as a Red Pill gal: she tells the Red Pill guys exactly what they want to hear, defending their noxious views, feeding their sense of victimhood, and hand-waving away their blatant misogyny.

So it’s hardly a surprise that she got a warm welcome when she showed up yesterday in the Red Pill subreddit to do an “ask me anything.” Today, I girded my loins and popped a caffeine pill and read through her answers. Well, skimmed them, anyway; I’m no masochist.

I learned a lot. Unfortunately, most of what I learned was not true. 

So let me present the Top Ten Completely Untrue Things I Learned from GirlWritesWhat’s Red Pill AMA, and One Thing That Might Possibly Be True. 

All quotes are straight from Straughan’s AMA. I’ve bolded some of the most-untrue bits.

1) Roosh V isn’t a bad person for wanting to legalize rape

“One commenter expressed a wish that I’d learn to speak more wisely and circumspectly on topics like RooshV’s suggestion to make rape legal on private property (all I said was that however stupid or unfeasible or offensive his idea was, his stated intention was to prevent rape, so I wasn’t going to call him a bad person for it).”

2) Red Pill dudes only say terrible things about women because they love them so much

It’s not misogynistic. Some of the rhetoric here is very angry, and very generalized. A lot of that is from a sense of betrayal–I was taught women are wonderful and believed it, and then the shit hit the fan. There’s a point, though, if the journey isn’t suppressed through punishment and shaming, where these men tend to realize it’s the false paradigm they’re angry with, not women. … If these men didn’t love women in the first place, they wouldn’t be able to be hurt by their failure to live up to the unrealistic expectations society has encouraged them to have.”

3) When men rape women, it’s probably some woman’s fault, if you think about it

A rapist is a very damaged man (usually damaged by women) or a man who really really really wants sex but can’t convince a woman to willingly lie down with him.”

4) Women might look cute, but GWW can see the total-not-cuteness of their souls

“Neoteny. It’s important. The cuter someone is, the nicer we assume they are. For women, that cuteness is also associated with attractiveness to the opposite sex. So everyone thinks cute women are automatically nice, and men also find them sexually appealing.”

5) I’m a fatty who might possibly be wearing a fedora. No, really, for some reason my weight and possible hat choices came up

“Have you guys seen David Futrelle? Or “Angry Aussie”? Or any number of other hipster douchebag male feminists who are fat, have neckbeards, wear fedoras, have difficulty getting laid, etc?

A lot of the men I’ve met in my travels through the MRM are awkward or otherwise don’t remind women of Matthew McConaughey. But a lot of them are quite presentable. Confident, attractive, fit, and definitely not virgins.”

NOTE: I have doublechecked and I am definitely not wearing a fedora.

6) “Most feminists” probably have Borderline Personality Disorder or something similar

7) Red Pillers are the Malcolm X to the Men’s Rights Movement’s Martin Luther King

“If you rebelled without disseminating a message, you’d be a hindrance. But doing what you’re doing, you’re helping, even if you’re just presenting a Malcolm X for MRAs to juxtapose against MLK.

8) Black activists only protested the shootings of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown in order to get white people mad and make money for themselves, probably

When you try to cast blame over all whites for perpetuating a racist culture in a Martin or Brown case, whites don’t like that. They get pissed. It gets the animosity stirred up on both sides of the racial divide much more effectively than if the shooting was 100% unjustifiable. And it stirs up white resentment of blacks.

It’s like these particular people (activist leaders) are invested in racism, and they (maybe subconsciously) go out of their way to perpetuate the conditions that keep them in paychecks and justify their existence.

If racism ended, they’d be out of a job. The last three generations are the least racist, sexist, homophobic in history. Where’s the money and status in that, for your average Sharpton?”

9) There’s no epidemic of rape in India because half of all rape cases there are total bullshit

“[T]here’s significant evidence that about half of rape reports in India derive from consensual sex between unmarried persons, but which fall under statutory definitions of rape that are being questioned within the system as to their moral basis in a changing social landscape.” 

10) Women are less stable than men because science?

A woman has to be more emotionally stable than 85% of women to be as emotionally stable as the average man. A man has to be more sensitive than 85% of men to be as sensitive as the average woman.”

11) Chimp dudes don’t have wingmen. (Wing-chimps?)

“Human males are more cooperative with each other than males of almost any other species, really. The phenomenon of guys trying to get other guys laid just isn’t a thing in chimpanzee society.

That last one might be true, I guess. What the hell do I know about chimps?

EDIT: I have been informed that chimp dudes sort of do have wingmen, but in a horrible way.

 

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Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Wow, what a horrible person.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

You can see her almost coming to a place of thought and reflection.

“A rapist is a very damaged man (usually damaged by women) or a man who really really really wants sex but can’t convince a woman to willingly lie down with him.”

If you just … took out the parenthetical … and examined why a man who really wants sex but can’t get it consensually might use non-consensual tactics …

So close, GWW. But so far away.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago

I think her ideas are summarized thusly, “I want others to be in as much pain as I am, though I would never admit to being in pain.” She has a lot of shit she needs to sort out about what she truly values in herself and in other people before she hands out advice.

mrkfoster
mrkfoster
5 years ago

Handy primate sex guide:

Chimpanzees- Male Chimp packs divide female chimps amongst themselves along the pack chain of command. So yes as a matter of fact there are chimp wingmen, but the reality is much more horrifyingly close to sex-trafficking than dating

Bonobos- Matriarchal led packs that have lots and lots of casual and promiscuous sex used more as a social bonding exercise than reproduction

Gorillas- Patriarchal led pack that’s sorta like lion prides (One male, several females depending on the male’s ability to provide) only everyone is much smarter

Orangutans- Live mostly alone, females find a male when they are ready, then raise the offspring alone

So now you know, when someone uses ape behavior to say “This is how humans (And especially women) are supposed to act” ask them which species. When they mention a specific one remind them that we humans have a lot of close genetic relatives with completely different sexual proclivities. Appeals to nature are dumb

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

This post has left me shaking with rage.

I’m going to go snuggle my cats.

Falconer
5 years ago

Was there supposed to be a quote under #6, the “most feminists are probably bipolar” one? ‘Cause it didn’t load in for me.

a_mari_usque_ad_mare
a_mari_usque_ad_mare
5 years ago

She was on TVO not too long ago. I listened to the podcast the other day, but I didn’t recognize her voice. It was a show about privilege, and she was clearly the contrarian on the panel, but she didn’t say alot and she wasn’t particularly insulting.

I was listening to it without video, so I didn’t realize who it was at first. She then mentioned being thrown out of that comic book convention in Calgary, and being spoken to by a cop while hanging out in the park, and it clicked. She seemed to think this was equivalent to the police harassment of black males, which I did not exactly agree with.

Video and audio here, it was a good podcast:

http://theagenda.tvo.org/episode/212741/the-question-of-privilege

Ælfscýne
Ælfscýne
5 years ago

I am glad #5 is there because I’ve been wondering about this for a while now: why are fedoras so often mentioned either for MRAs or their opponents? What are they suppose to symbolise?

Falconer
5 years ago

Oh, and David, if you haven’t heard yet, there’s a tedious troll over on the stumbling block post, name of Mark, wants us to agree with him that other people have to take care not to call his attention to them because he doesn’t want to get to know them and if he sees them anyway, it’s irritating. And he’s framing it as “there should be a limit to decency, right?”

Falconer
5 years ago

@Ælfscýne:

There’s a certain kind of jerky white guy who wears a trilby and lets the world know he’s small-minded, hate-filled, and jerky. For some reason everyone calls the trilby that guy wears, a fedora.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trilby&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=00BqVdKWJpanyASS9oKIAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=657#tbm=isch&q=fedora+vs+trilby&revid=419023683

reverendtap1
5 years ago

Worth noting (in reference to mrkfoster’s handy guide) that we humans are far, far more closely related to both chimps and bonobos (which we are equally related to) than the rest. Appeals to nature can hold some water, if the trait in question is shared by both chimps and bonobos, though it’s far from conclusive.

It does, of course, lead one to the idea that perhaps appealing to nature against the MRAs could be fun: “See, the bonobos have a true matriarchy, and their societies are practically just constant orgies!”

makingfitzcarraldo
makingfitzcarraldo
5 years ago

Will these delicate man babies like their looks defended as attractive? Aren’t they supposed to be above the “standards” women “have to” meet to exist? (I often wonder if the glamor of attractiveness is thrown over them when their dicks are wetted in the ideal trophy conquest. It is hard when everything about them makes me want to air quote sarcastically.)

I’m new to posting but read here and it helps a lot (been having a very hard time dealing with sexual harassment at work and the slut rep I earned just for having breasts and being there. It makes me feel less the whole world is like that to read the good people.)

closetpuritan
5 years ago

Orangutans are pretty rapey.

Ælfscýne
Ælfscýne
5 years ago

Thanks Falconer. I guess that explains an expression I’ve also heard before: “Your fedora is a trilby.” 😀

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

Dear asshole,

Fuck you for insinuating that sensitivity is somehow equated with emotional instability
Fuck you for preaching the bullshit stereotype that men are ‘naturally’ emotionally stable (tell that to my uncle who frequently ‘snaps’)
Fuck you for preaching the bullshit stereotype that women are ‘naturally’ sensitive
Fuck you because those toxic gender roles will marginalize anyone who doesn’t fit the norm.

This is merely one of the MANY reasons why you are a terrible human being who is actively making the world a worse place.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Some of the rhetoric here is very angry, and very generalized. A lot of that is from a sense of betrayal–I was taught women are wonderful and believed it, and then the shit hit the fan.

Patriarchy is what teaches men to put women on pedestals. Feminists don’t say women are wonderful. We say women are human, with flaws and good qualities both. So why are they so angry at feminists. I know. Misogyny. It just makes zero sense.

“A rapist is a very damaged man (usually damaged by women) or a man who really really really wants sex but can’t convince a woman to willingly lie down with him.”

I’d say the damage done by rape is quite a bit worse than the damage done by a woman dumping a man or a mother making her son take diarrhea meds.

Also, the myth that men rape because they can’t get laid needs to die in a fire. Do you think Jameis Winston or that Max Factor had problems getting laid? Please. Plenty of rapists have wives or girlfriends.

If you rebelled without disseminating a message, you’d be a hindrance. But doing what you’re doing, you’re helping, even if you’re just presenting a Malcolm X for MRAs to juxtapose against MLK.“

Gotta love when MRAs compare themselves to civil rights leaders.

When you try to cast blame over all whites for perpetuating a racist culture in a Martin or Brown case, whites don’t like that. They get pissed. It gets the animosity stirred up on both sides of the racial divide much more effectively than if the shooting was 100% unjustifiable. And it stirs up white resentment of blacks.

Especially because they’re racist as hell.

A woman has to be more emotionally stable than 85% of women to be as emotionally stable as the average man. A man has to be more sensitive than 85% of men to be as sensitive as the average woman.”

Oh really?

May I direct your attention back to quote 1?

Some of the rhetoric here is very angry, and very generalized. A lot of that is from a sense of betrayal–I was taught women are wonderful and believed it, and then the shit hit the fan.

More emotionally stable, huh? Cool story.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Appeals to nature can hold some water, if the trait in question is shared by both chimps and bonobos, though it’s far from conclusive.

Appeals to nature are typically bullshit regardless of whether the trait in question is shared by close relatives of hominids. That’s because there is nothing “natural” about human beings. We have instincts and urges, but we also have culture in which we are steeped since we are infants. Culture tells us to do some things, and tells us not to do other things, and this becomes so innate it starts to feel like instinct.

By the time we are verbal, it is virtually impossible to separate what is instinct from what is cultural, and by the time we are adults, it is actually impossible. One can really only tease “nature” out of babies, and extrapolating from babies to adult behavior is … problematic.

In short, it can’t be said what humans would be like without any culture (which is what “nature” means in this context) because you’ll never find a human without culture.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

My friend Julia once said that evopsych boils down to “Humans and chimps are inherently the same, men and women are inherently different.”

Applies here.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Even apes aren’t perfectly natural, they learn and sometimes their culture changes. Making an appeal to nature when you could actually be looking at learned ape behaviour isn’t going to be very useful in making assumptions about human behaviour. I remember hearing about a group of apes (forget which kind) where most of the males died off, and once the females outnumbered them the males became less violent towards the females. And they taught new male apes that joined them later on to be less violent.

Philip Rose
Philip Rose
5 years ago

“Don’t listen to what those nasty people say. You’ll always be mamma’s biggest, bestest, most handsomest boys!”

^^^
Sums up her rhetoric.

serrana
5 years ago

Shorter Karen Straughan: LOOK AT ALL MY FACTS THAT I HAVE HERE FOR YOU.
(Why is my hand full of poo?)

reverendtap1
5 years ago

A lot boils down to how many data points are available and taken into account. Behavior that reliably shows up in varied populations of both chimps and bonobos, as well as being evidenced in a variety of human cultures (particularly if widely evidenced in isolated cultures that don’t directly interact with one another)? Likely to be some natural basis there, even if it is influenced by culture. Behavior endemic to the present-day US that kinda matches something some chimp populations do? Not so much. Note that I’ve never seen any of the evopsych crowd hold to anywhere near such an exacting standard (they tend to stick to the second example, since it let’s them make up whatever crap fits their preexisting ideology), and everything about patriarchal gender relationships in modern western culture fails the test in multiple different ways.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

Neoteny. It’s important. The cuter someone is, the nicer we assume they are. For women, that cuteness is also associated with attractiveness to the opposite sex. So everyone thinks cute women are automatically nice, and men also find them sexually appealing.”

Um, neoteny isn’t about making things “cute” – it’s about retaining aspects of youth, which in turn leads to a longer life-span and a greater capacity for learning. Other animals have a very short period between infancy to adulthood – not to mention, for certain animals (sea turtles for example), tend to lack parental care at birth and even guidance after that.

Neoteny was beneficial to humanity because it allowed a younger generation to learn from an older generation for a longer period of time, also allowing them to retain more information, as well as have the guidance in order to survive and develop further. It’s also probably because of that, that we were able to actually develop a society, as it effected our sapience.

I really despise how these people purposefully misunderstand and misuse scientific concepts like this, for their ideological bullshit prattling.

Human males are more cooperative with each other than males of almost any other species, really. The phenomenon of guys trying to get other guys laid just isn’t a thing in chimpanzee society.

Oh, blow it out your ass…

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I think maybe she meant the halo effect? But that’s gender neutral, so it doesn’t fit the “women hit the wall at 25” narrative.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

Appeals to nature are typically bullshit regardless of whether the trait in question is shared by close relatives of hominids. That’s because there is nothing “natural” about human beings. We have instincts and urges, but we also have culture in which we are steeped since we are infants. Culture tells us to do some things, and tells us not to do other things, and this becomes so innate it starts to feel like instinct.

One of the reasons I’ve despised evo-psych as much as I have is that, more often than not, it involved projecting modern attitudes back onto earlier period of human society or development – completely ignoring the fact that, just like now, they too were effected by their culture at the time. More importantly, that culture bears little resemblance to one we have now. It’d be completely alien to us – and the only reason it doesn’t is due to researchers, who analyze and do their best to explain it in contemporary terms.

Fiction only makes past periods look familiar, in order to make a story accessible and relatable to people now, but you cannot seriously claim that common attitudes and beliefs from (say) 10,000 B.C. are anything like those held in 2015 AD.

Matthew J.
Matthew J.
5 years ago

God, she is such a tool.

spacelawn
5 years ago

There’s nothing under point 6 on the list, then again, there are eleven points in this top “ten” list.

Anyhow, one thing i find “funny” is that whenever some redpiller or MRA call out you David, they always resort to some weight insult.

“You know Futrelle? He’s fat lol!”

“anything else?”

“uuhh”

Brilliant.

“But a lot of them are quite presentable. Confident, attractive, fit, and definitely not virgins.”

That last part is really important.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Behavior that reliably shows up in varied populations of both chimps and bonobos, as well as being evidenced in a variety of human cultures (particularly if widely evidenced in isolated cultures that don’t directly interact with one another)? Likely to be some natural basis there, even if it is influenced by culture.

You can’t separate humans from their cultures.

Let’s say you have 100 human cultures. There is a trait that is exhibited by 75 of those cultures, and the other 25 do not have it. It is also exhibited by at least some bonobos.

Here are some possibilities:

1. Humans and bonobos inherited this trait from their common ancestor. The 25 human cultures that don’t show it have culturally eradicated a natural trait.

2. Bonobos inherited this trait from their common ancestor with humans, but humans lost it. Those 75 cultures have imposed it artificially, even though it is not natural to humans.

3. The common ancestor didn’t have this trait. Bonobos and humans independently evolved it, and it is natural. The 25 cultures that don’t have it have culturally eradicated it.

4. The common ancestor didn’t have this trait. Bonobos evolved it after the separation, and it is not natural for humans. The 75 cultures have imposed it artificially.

5. This trait doesn’t even exist in bonobos, but since 75 human cultures have it, and researchers are from one of those 75, they are interpreting bonobo behavior as if bonobos exhibit this trait.

Those are 5 I can pull off the top of my head. There are other possibilities. Do explain to me how we can choose amongst these possibilities and determine the correct one.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@Lindsay_Irene)

Oh, Karen, those boys are only pretending to like you.

friday jones
friday jones
5 years ago
th1stle
th1stle
5 years ago

A woman who hates women… What? She thinks that makes her special?!

Just another charlatan, e-begging and contributing nothing but verbal slop to the world.

reverendtap1
5 years ago

Policy of Madness: Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, because that’s not what I said. “The evidence suggests a natural basis for this trait that might also be influenced by culture” is not remotely the same thing as “we know exactly where this trait comes from and can draw an absolute nature/nurture distinction.” I’m not defending evopsych here, I’m saying that the inherent difficulties and muddiness of looking into the basic question of human nature will not, and should not, prevent people from doing what observation and analysis is possible. Behavioral science is always difficult and muddy, but throwing our hands up and declaring the question unknowable is no less anti-science an act than declaring that we already know it all.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, because that’s not what I said. “The evidence suggests a natural basis for this trait that might also be influenced by culture” is not remotely the same thing as “we know exactly where this trait comes from and can draw an absolute nature/nurture distinction.”

Except that if you can’t know where it came from (that is to say, whether or not it is completely culturally-based) then any statement like yours is completely pointless and adds nothing whatsoever to any discussion.

I’m not defending evopsych here

What you’re defending is the argument from nature:

Appeals to nature can hold some water, if the trait in question is shared by both chimps and bonobos, though it’s far from conclusive.

I mean, you said as much. But the argument from nature is without merit because we can never know which human traits are natural and which are cultural. If you can’t choose between the 5 options I gave, or the many other possible permutations thereof, making an argument from nature only muddies the waters and accomplishes nothing constructive.

Snowberry
Snowberry
5 years ago

I don’t post here, but I just had to respond to the ape thing, so…

Baboons are normally highly patriarchal, and violent – they’ll gang-attack other non-threatening animals just for fun – and the males rarely cooperate for anything other than violence. And yet there are a few known baboon troops which are pacifistic, more egalitarian, and have more cooperative males. Any outsider male who attempts to join learns quickly that the “normal” baboon behaviors will get them shunned and they change their ways to match or get kicked out. The best known example of this happened in Kenya, where an entire troop became extremely ill. The ones who took care of each other mostly survived and the less cooperative ones all died. A dramatic cultural shift happened afterward. This is probably what @Spindrift was talking about.

Female chimps appear to be more creative than males, though that might be confirmation bias on the part of some zoologists, or because the males tend to keep their inventions to themselves, or something. But anyway, when a female chimp comes up with something useful, a new variant on a basic tool, a better technique for catching certain bugs, or whatever, the usual reaction by the males is to shun both her and whatever she came up with. Though if it’s useful enough, the group will eventually learn it anyway, because the children pay attention to things that work.

Apes in general also learn things from watching humans. This goes far beyond obvious things like people raising them and teaching them sign language. For example, in parts of SE Asia where people still engage in spearfishing… so do the local Orangutans. Not because people train them, but because the Orangs learn to make crude spears and use them to pin fish just by watching how humans do it.

Aside from those specific examples, Apes in general have somewhat different cultures and technologies that vary by region, even among the same species. While easier than with humans, it’s still really really hard to make objective generalizations about their “instinctive” behaviors.

ytsuken
ytsuken
5 years ago

Interesting point about male feminist allies. Now, I’m not saying appearance matters at all, but solely within the boundaries of her argument – does she realize that she’s a flabby 3/10 femdora and a female MRA ally, or is hoping for her emotional ladybrain to have any self awareness too much? Given her poor looks, could it be that her actions are motivated by needing to pander to males extra hard to get sexual attention, which constitutes attention seeking, which in turn indicates a possible cluster B personality disorder? Does she know what projection is? :3c
Just food for thought.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Now, I’m not saying appearance matters at all

… says the person who goes on to make an argument that GWW’s appearance matters.

Given her poor looks, could it be that her actions are motivated by needing to pander to males extra hard to get sexual attention, which constitutes attention seeking, which in turn indicates a possible cluster B personality disorder?

Given this entire sentence, could it be that you are an ableist and misogynist twit trying to masquerade as an ally, which indicates a possible cluster B jerk disorder?

Does she know what projection is?

Do you?

Just food for thought.

Junk food for thought.

makingfitzcarraldo
makingfitzcarraldo
5 years ago

I don’t think she thinks of herself as a sexual partner for them. She’s doing it for the son(s). It makes me think of the kept down woman taking it out on her precious son’s wife. Now YOU get to do the housecleaning, slaving, etc.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

What? Appeals to nature work in some instances, and offering them as explanations of behaviour is no less wrong than offering up a cultural component. It’s one among many sets of possible explanations for a specific behaviour. Also – “Every primate thus far discovered breathes oxygen” is fairly easily testable, and stating “humans naturally breathe oxygen” isn’t exactly going out there in terms of thesis. Same goes for a few other things. Some things in humans very clearly are not culturally influenced in the slightest, one of which is our general reliance on oxygen and shared proclivity towards birth involving a mammalian placenta. If you’re careful and specific, appeals to nature work fine for humans as well. They’re hardly going to be your best option 99 % of the time, but as explainers of behaviour they can work okay in some instances.

Now jumping from that to “Chimpanzee wing-men don’t exist, and the existence of the concept of wing-men in human society proves that humans are pro-social” is, err, uhm…

it’s a unique interpretation of available data, that’s for sure. I’m not even quite sure what it’s trying to say. Also is that the only difference between men and chimpanzees? What? What does it even mean?

Rina
Rina
5 years ago

I sort of have to agree with her point that looks aren’t an indication of personality – that goes for men as well as women.

ytsuken
ytsuken
5 years ago

@Policy of Madness
Why get mad? It doesn’t mean anything to me, but it certainly does mean a lot to her since she brought it up as something that supposedly affects one’s credibility. She’s ready to denounce male feminists as unattractive and socially inept, but does she realize that she’s exactly that as a female MRA?.. If it makes male feminists look bad and desperate, then what does it make her? That’s aside from other traits of hers that she projected onto her political opponents.
Chill. It might have been crudely worded, but it’s a fair observation.

Fibinachi
5 years ago

@ytsuken

No, it’s a slightly dickish indictment of her words by saying: “Oh yeah? You think I’m ugly? Well! You’re ugly! And probably projecting because of an undiagnosed mental disorder!”

It’s a fair observation that it seems as if a good part of it is, indeed, attention seeking of the “Those stupid XXX, I’m certainly not an XXX” variety. That’s fine. That’s what a lot of GWW’s words boil down to. Saying her arguments are worthless because she’s somehow mentally defecient and also ugly is going a bit too far, and also unrelated to the vapid inanity of her core arguments.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Chill. It might have been crudely worded, but it’s a fair observation.

No, it isn’t. And telling me to “chill” when you’ve engaged in misogyny by connecting a woman’s looks to her (completely invented by you) sexual deficiencies, and connecting that to the nonsense she spews (as if she’d been fine if someone would just fuck her already) is not going to convince me that you’re suddenly not misogynist after all.

Hypatia
Hypatia
5 years ago

Rape is a beta male mating strategy, explains thefisherman1961.

http://prntscr.com/7bccm1

ytsuken
ytsuken
5 years ago

@Fibinachi
I never said her arguments were worthless because she’s ugly, wtf. I said she’s accusing her opponents of traits that she herself displays in abundance, which SHE thinks are bad. The joke is that by HER OWN logic, she’s… bad. But okay, w/e,

Occam's Nightmare
5 years ago

Fedoras are so maligned now that feminists and MRAs accuse each other of wearing them.

Hypatia
Hypatia
5 years ago

@ytsuken

I understand what you meant. I was actually thinking about that myself, if Karen was a feminist, the first thing Red Pillers would pick on is her looks. I mean, she does have short hair after all, which is an unforgivable sin in the PUA comunity.

ytsuken
ytsuken
5 years ago

@Hypatia
She actually does look like a MRA strawfem “lesbian baby eating buzzcut feminazi” caricature, yeah. If she were a feminist she’d get a lot of comments on that.

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

Policy of Madness and reverendtap1:
Also, even using Chimps and Bonobos for a culture vs nature study isn’t all that reliable because primates also are affected by culture. Look at the forest troop baboons:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/science/no-time-for-bullies-baboons-retool-their-culture.html
After the aggressive males in the troop all died, they had a massive culture shift among the troop that lasted long after all the surviving males left or died off and all the existing male baboons were from outside troops (males leave their homes to join other troops, and only the females remain home, meaning the cultural shift wasn’t genetic).

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