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The Soft Totalitarian’s Hole of Choice: MGTOW Poetry Korner

It's just a damn citrus fruit, people!
Sometimes a grapefruit is just a grapefruit.

Stickied to the top of the MGTOW subreddit is this lovely bit of … poetry, I guess:

Pussy is the

Soft totalitarian’s

Hole of choice.

Porta Guillotines

To cut your dick off

And pay with your life,

The lives of your children;

Right on down

The bloody line.

There are…

Steel bars

In that

Cooch.

Woah.

This guy doesn’t really deserve it, but let’s give him some cat beatnik snaps for trying.

Three snaps up?
Three snaps up?

In the discussion of this, er, poem on the MGTOW subreddit, one MGTOW philosopher offers these, er, thoughts:

The “vagina dentata”. As the so-called “dissident” Feminist, Camille Paglia says: “Metaphorically, every vagina has secret teeth, for the male exits as less than when he entered. The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.”

Some take the adoption of this way of thinking as being “afraid” of vagina, but it is more of a realization. Acceptance. I think the thing that truly keeps men from being unplugged from the matrix (which is another word for womb), is their death grip on their assigned, traditional sense of masculinity. Their identity, their ego, is very much attached to this sense of masculinity (Which is about performance/feigning strength, while femininity is about inaction/feigning weakness). Ironic, then, that it is this death grip on masculinity that keeps men falling back into the womb endlessly, where they exit as lesser men each time.

It is truly in women’s best interest that men maintain this death-grip on performative masculinity, because it’s how they continue to get a free ride.

Uh, what?

That makes even less sense than the poem.

No snaps for you. Or for Camille Paglia, either.

H/T — r/thebluepill

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AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@Lindsay_Irene)

Of course MGTOWers are into Paglia. Of course they are. I mean, a woman who hates other women, despite the fact that she wants to have sex with them. She’s basically a terper with ovaries. Is this a good time to post a link to Molly Ivins’ takedown of Camilla?

https://stevenhartsite.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/passages-molly-ivins/

Falconer
5 years ago

Absolutely obsessed with something they are terrified of.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Metaphorically, every vagina has secret teeth, for the male exits as less than when he entered.

Wait, I thought the female was supposed to be the one lessened by sex. Used chewing gum, lowered SMV, blah blah.

If sex makes everyone worse off, why do these guys continue to make it the centerpiece of their existence?

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

*wrapping head around this mentality*

They fear what they cannot control. The act of being a vagina haver is seen as an act of aggression. My pussy scares the bejeezus out of them because it is attached to me and I can tell them “No”. They think being allowed to say “No” is too much power for me to wield. They think men get to tell me when I have to let them use me.

That level of entitlement is evil.

The last post is about how we are responsible for men raping us and they call that a free ride? What are we getting for free from men that we shouldn’t? What is it we have no right to that they resent so much?

Ownership of our bodies.

*Ponders*

They think it is our fault men rape us because it isn’t rape in their minds until we say “No”. That’s the “accountability” we keep reading about. It’s revenge and they know it. They know they hate us for not being self warming fleshlights.
They get horny when they see a woman.
They cannot act on it.
She’s “provoking” men to rape and kill her.
Yet society sort of frowns on that sort of thing so poor, poor men are being trod upon by nasty feminists who won’t let them punish women for existing outside male control.

They feel so sorry for themselves that they write fucking “poetry” about it. They think all men are rapists or want to be rapists because they cannot imagine men not hating women and their liberty as much as they do. Those who make it clear they do not are mocked as not being “real men” because “real men” are rapists.

http://media.giphy.com/media/BmnbtcKKBGqfS/giphy.gif

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

If sex makes everyone worse off, why do these guys continue to make it the centerpiece of their existence?

Because it isn’t about sex at all. They’ll lower themselves by fucking women only to hurt women. Straight sex = abuse and ownership. Their pleasure is not derived from returned attraction, affection or passion. Orgasm is only fun for them because it means they “won” at sex. The best part for them is that other men like them will grant them higher status. Non-rapists = betas and maginas.
Basically, they agree with Andrea Dworkin’s assessment of them. No wonder they hate her so much.

The common erotic project of destroying women makes it possible for men to unite into a brotherhood; this project is the only firm and trustworthy groundwork for cooperation among males and all male bonding is based on it.

She all but called them out by name.

Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

I have to recommend the horror Teeth (2008) after reading this. It is a fairly gory and funny (darkly so) look at a young woman’s journey into sexual experience (rape warning).

It was once said of Paglia: ‘she takes culture and makes Nintendo out of it’.

Film Runner
5 years ago

Their identity, their ego, is very much attached to this sense of masculinity (Which is about performance/feigning strength, while femininity is about inaction/feigning weakness).

Holy projection, Batman!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

I think the thing that truly keeps men from being unplugged from the matrix (which is another word for womb), is their death grip on their assigned, traditional sense of masculinity. Their identity, their ego, is very much attached to this sense of masculinity (Which is about performance/feigning strength, while femininity is about inaction/feigning weakness).

So close. So close and yet not quite there.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Men are distinguished from women by their commitment to do violence rather than to be victimized by it.

-Dworkin

That’s why men who hate women are obsessed with getting sexes from them. To misogynists all sex is and should be abuse of women. Sex is a weapon that makes them “men”. That’s another reason why they hate men women want to fuck and gay men. Gay men are having sex that does not harm women. Men consensually pleasuring their female lovers are not harming women. That’s a betrayal in these estimation of misogynists. That’s toxic masculinity.

Z
Z
5 years ago

That second comment sounds like a closeted trans woman that decided to hate women instead of transition. There’s a lot of coded language there that basically boils down to, “I wish I could be feminine.”

I’m a trans woman myself and always longed for women to accept me. Maybe instead of transition this person got brainwashed by redpill bullshit, and decided to hate women. Closeted trans women are the perfect recruitment demographic for MRAs, sad, angry, with no sense of self or one’s place in the world.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Femininity is about inaction? They wish.

Falconer
5 years ago

The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.

Written like someone whose sole conception of sex is missionary position.

ej
ej
5 years ago

Orgasm is only fun for them because it means they “won” at sex.

The mindset of these guys seems to be that they need to prove themselves by “winning.” And, in order for them to win, someone else (usually a woman) has to lose. They can’t seem to conceive of mutually beneficial situations. One side has to win and one side has to lose. No wonder they are miserable.

Falconer
5 years ago

@Lea:

Femininity is about inaction? They wish.

The sort of people who conceive of femininity as inaction also strike me as the kind of people who conflate femininity with child-rearing. I can attest that babies, past a certain age, may very well move around at least once during the day.

Some part of me misses the days when my tots would stick where I stuck ’em, usually when I’m questioning whether I am a dad, or a jungle gym.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c4b8f12016e305d4b6d36ae8d7c5d3af/tumblr_mkws36UgVu1ry10fwo1_400.gif

Binjabreel
5 years ago

WT everloving F?

These guys really think that something like “being responsible for your offspring” is a fucking trap? Oh, right, because the woman who’s going to do it with you might have “thoughts” and “opinions” and “needs”. Next thing you know she’ll want to have input on raising the kids!

Goddamned Vogon poetry is more pleasant.

… This is totally an aside, but I always thought Douglas Adams missed a great opportunity to have humans be utterly immune to shitty poetry because we’ve made so damn much of it ourselves.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@Binjabreel:

… This is totally an aside, but I always thought Douglas Adams missed a great opportunity to have humans be utterly immune to shitty poetry because we’ve made so damn much of it ourselves.

Actually…

I’m not entirely sure about the books, but there was an old-school Interactive Fiction game made about Hitch-hikers. One of the puzzles has you (playing as Arthur Dent) captured by Vogons and tortured by being read Vogon poetry.

The key to the puzzle? Listen to the poetry. You’ll remark that it isn’t bad at all, and the Vogon will be so pleased that he’ll read you another verse before letting you go. Meanwhile poor Ford will be writhing in the seat next to you.

It’s pretty hilarious.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

(Important Note: Douglas Adams played a huge part in the writing and creation of the game)

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

It’s like, he was almost onto something there…with the whole assigned gender expectations of strength/weakness, and how some people suffer by clinging to these…and then the last paragraph happened.

So close. So close.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Camille Fucking Paglia isn’t a “dissident feminist”. She’s not a feminist at all. She’s a self-important Randroid constantly shouting “Me! Me! ME! I’m oppressed because nobody recognizes my genius and the evil academic feminists want to deny me my rightful tenure!”

(Remind you of anyone???)

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

Someone also needs to nudge them and mention that words don’t become poetry if you write them vertically!

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Not a documentary, boys.
http://www.screeninsults.com/images/the-little-shop-of-horrors-giant.jpg

But hey, if that’s what it takes for you to stay far, far away from my vagina and everyone else’s, continue to believe it. No skin off my nose.

dashapants
dashapants
5 years ago

It is an unfortunate fact that society has shaped itself in such a way that men’s sense of identity becomes so strongly linked to their sense of strength and control that they cast themselves as takers in a sexual relationship despite the fact that the mechanics of sex contradicts this assertion at a fundamental level.

If more dudes became more comfortable with their understandable need to occasionally surrender to other forces, then we would have fewer of them so frantically trying to lose themselves in so many vaginas and confused as to why it doesn’t work and leaves them feeling continuously dissatisfied and seeking release once again.

The fear of pussy is the fear of losing strength/control a la Samson/Delilah route and not being a man anymore, and the problem with this thinking is that this results in an abusive control freak neurosis and obsession with sex. For a clear cut example, see Roosh V.

freemage
5 years ago

kirby: That is how it plays out in the books, pretty much. Arthur, at the end of the agonizing verse, proceeds to give the sort of BS sophistry critique that is part of the sophomore English Lit major experience.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I really like the poet’s implication that totalitarians, in general, have a hole of choice.

Stalin’s go-to was glazed donuts.

JC
JC
5 years ago

OH MY GOD! Lol!
If you liked this, you’re gonna LOVE this. Just read the comments down below. Lol.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/08/is-feminism-destroying-women/#comment-1895302673

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

the matrix (which is another word for womb)

It is not, but thank you for carrying on the great misogynist tradition of comparing sex with women to being inside your moms as babies. Never gets less creepy.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

What is this “Brietbart”? The comments are indeed entertaining. I didn’t realize feminists promote “gendercide”! Lol!

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

My hole of choice is a black hole. Look at the pretty accretion disk.

http://astrobites.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/black_hole_art_612_400.jpg

opium4themasses
5 years ago

@wwth Accretion dicks? OMG! MISANDRY!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

That’s a gorgeous accretion disk. Have you seen NGC 300 X-1? It’s the most amazing blue colour and is cannibalising off a nearby star in a way that just looks heart stoppingly beautiful. Black holes are awesome.

If we’re disallowing space stuff (because I could witter about it for ages ) then my favourite hole is this one:

[Img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Darvasa_gas_crater_panorama.jpg/440px-Darvasa_gas_crater_panorama.jpg[/img]

katz
5 years ago

Viscaria: It actually is; it’s Latin. Why someone thought that was a good name for a rectangular array of numbers is anyone’s guess.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

Beatniks cats are as wondrous as nail filing cats. It’s as if when the world seems to get worse for moment, cat gifs will step up their their game.

http://www.gifbooster.com/wp-content/uploads/4416/cat-files-nails_8_play.gif

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

Also I’m bad at posting Gifs.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Katz and Viscaria

It started out as womb; then became a word for where things develop, then a place where possibilities are worked out, then from that into the logic grid. I love etymology

Miss Andry
5 years ago

That’s it, I’m forming a black metal band and its name will be “Vagina Dentata.” It’s settled.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

http://37.media.tumblr.com/5892fe63b80447f3ff0152fe8d0c9164/tumblr_mxb641Quwa1rkiy6bo1_500.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/8da6d69a1023a064d2a876c36c2d8877/tumblr_n0nfynUlw21tnqxhwo1_500.gif

The “vagina dentata”. As the so-called “dissident” Feminist, Camille Paglia says: “Metaphorically, every vagina has secret teeth, for the male exits as less than when he entered. The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.”

That’s not how that works. At all.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

Well, the important part is that you think you’re living in the real world, but you’re really just a brain in a womb.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Dear MRAs:

STOP STEALING MY MATRIX.

Don’t make me slap you with my awesome trenchcoat. =|

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Err, that sounded less silly and more violent than it was supposed to. Oops. Supposed to be silly.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

STOP STEALING MY MATRIX.

Well, I suspect there’s a few Doctor Who fans on here being too polite to make the obvious point…. 😉

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

Camille Paglia says: “Metaphorically, every vagina has secret teeth, for the male exits as less than when he entered. The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.”

Is Paglia talking specifically about ejaculation here? That does require a particular action on a man’s part, but I’m having a hard time figuring out how it leaves him as a lesser being. Last time I checked, semen was a renewable resource.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

FWIW, I couldn’t resist playing the trenchoat-slapping scene in my head repeatedly and sometimes in slow motion.

Berwick
Berwick
5 years ago

I’ve been lurking here since following a link from a Guardian article about the Fury Road boycott. I love this site. I’ve read so many wonderful, wise, funny, and impassioned posts, both above and below the line. I just can’t lurk any more. I want to join in and get my welcome basket. Xxx

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.”

Hi there MGTOW, we feminists are actively trying to get rid of those trite gender stereotypes, are you interested in helping us?

It is truly in women’s best interest that men maintain this death-grip on performative masculinity, because it’s how they continue to get a free ride.

Yeah, cause eeeeevil feeeeeemales are totally the ones keeping a vice-grip on gender roles and don’t want them to change.

Reminds me of the idiots who blame feminists for things that feminists are actively fighting against.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

s Paglia talking specifically about ejaculation here? That does require a particular action on a man’s part, but I’m having a hard time figuring out how it leaves him as a lesser being. Last time I checked, semen was a renewable resource.

Liquid Fucking Gold, remember? We’re supposed to revere Red Pillers for depositing a bodily fluid that’s as common as piss, and harder to clean up.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@Flying Mouse:

If she is referring to ejaculation, then she’s got some rather bizarre definitions going. Sure, ejaculation is an “action” just like shivering is an “action.” It basically happens automatically with the right type of stimulation.

In fact, if you want to label just the act of ejaculating as an “action,” then what about ovaries releasing eggs, or the uterus building up thickness to support a zygote, or the months and months of nurturing and development of a fetus?

Singling out this one small slice of time out of the entire process of reproduction is basically the only way you can paint men as active and women as passive, and even then you have to hand-wave.

No idea how the “lesser being” thing works, especially since the quote is structured such that the second sentence is supposed to be explaining the first. So the fact that men are the “active” party means that they are diminished through action, whereas women stay undiminished through inaction? What?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Well, almost as common as piss, but if you tried to sell bottles of your own spunk at a car boot sale you’d probably get arrested for being a public nuisance.

alaisvex
alaisvex
5 years ago

The “vagina dentata”. As the so-called “dissident” Feminist, Camille Paglia says: “Metaphorically, every vagina has secret teeth, for the male exits as less than when he entered. The basic mechanics of conception require action in the male but nothing more than passive receptivity in the female.”

Um…just because you’re the one being penetrated doesn’t mean that you’re being passively receptive or that you don’t have to do anything to aid penetration. Also, ovulation isn’t passive, and the egg plays a major, active role in conception.

Jesus Christ. As much many biotruths as they throw around, they don’t seem to understand the mechanics of sex or conception very well.

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