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Check Out the Stumbling Block on Her: How the Duggars (and some MRAs) blame women’s bodies for men’s actions

How women secretly run the world
How women secretly run the world

Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants). 

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This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.

Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”

Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”

When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.

[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society. 

Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.

But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.

Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,

that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain

This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.

Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”

Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that

dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.

This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.

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misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-I am not sure how I feel about that either. It does seem too much for a kid. I think it was because someone got shot during one of the raids and he was seriously injured. That was why the courts were so hard on him. If that didn’t happen they probably would have charged him with a lesser offense.

After obtaining the rival gamers information, prosecutors say Horner called police and reported a murder/hostage situation at the home. SWAT team then raided the house, shooting and critically injuring the “Livestreamer’s” father in the process. Following an investigation of the incident, Horner was charged as an adult, using provisions of the 2001 Patriot Act. Horner’s guilty charge stems from two counts of domestic terrorism, related to his manipulation of an enforcement response, and injuries to innocents resulting from those actions.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@misseb47

Also the fact that the kid said that HE shot four people. Not someone else, the kid himself said he shot people and threaten that people would get shot if they tried to enter the place. So, of course, if he didn’t say that, the father of the swatted wouldn’t have gotten injured.

I’m also thankful that the father only got injured.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

Which is why he’s getting jail time as a terrorist rather than getting punished exclusively for swatting.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

You know, they should do something more about swatting. They should make it known to the public that any attempts of swatting will be treated as a serious crime, that it will result in a federal investigation, fines and jail time. They need to do it soon, they need to demonstrate the consequences outside of an actual swatting case so people understand that swatting is wrong and what all it entails.

I mean, 15 years olds are getting 25 years of jail time for this shit. Things need to be done.

Absolutely! I think this cases are increasing awareness about how serious it is, but more needs to done. It still seems quite common.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-“I’m also thankful that the father only got injured.”

Me too! O.O

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Sorry, Pandapool. The Block Quote Mammoth has struck again. ^^;

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

“Which is why he’s getting jail time as a terrorist rather than getting punished exclusively for swatting.”

Yep.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@misseb47

It might be an interesting campaign for game companies to participate in. They can make commercials for it using video game characters.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

I think a letter writing campaign to make lawmakers clearly define swatting as a crime and having awareness risen about it would be a good start.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-Yeah! That’s a great idea! It would definitely have more impact than the occasional news article about swatters being sent to jail.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool

“I think a letter writing campaign to make lawmakers clearly define swatting as a crime and having awareness risen about it would be a good start.” I agree! And then the gaming companies pitch in. Maybe we should make an online petition, or something?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@misseb47

I was going to write some popular gaming Tumblrs about this, but the ones that seem to be a good place to start have Tumblr accounts required to ask and submit things.

I figured a good gaming Tumblr would spread the world the best.

But if anyone has Twitter or anything of that shit, maybe you can message prominent gaming people about writing lawmakers to clearly define swatting as a crime and to rise awareness to this fact.

Thanks.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

I’m trying to figure out how to write a letter to a legislator now.

I wish I had those fill in the blank shit. lol

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

Hey, it looks like at least New Jersey is doing something about it:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/05/several_swatting_incidents_across_nj_shut_down_sch.html

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
9 years ago

Canadian police are definitely pointing out the seriousness: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/05/26/5-peel-schools-on-lockdown-or-hold-and-secure-mode.html

The problem is probably just that not enough people are aware of it being a thing for there to be any public outcry over it, or for the police to have realised that they ought to be telling people “By the way, don’t do that”. I mean, I only heard about it when it started being mentioned on WHTM, and that didn’t start happening still about a month or two ago.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@Rabid Rabbit

That’s why it needs to be clearly defined as a crime so that the consequences of swatting are known.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

Uuugh I’m trying to write the letter but it’s really hard to figure out the right words.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-I don’t have a Twitter account, but Tumblr seems like a great start.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@misseb47

The thing is is that I don’t have a Tumblr.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapoo -At least half a dozen incidents in two days?! It is good that Assemblyman Paul Moriarty is doing a good job at raising awareness. It is awful that he was swatted as well. Shame on you, swatters! >:-(

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-Me neither. 🙁

Sorry I called you Pandapoo. ^^; It was an accident!!

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Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@misseb47

It’s alright. At least it’s cute.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Pandapool-Thank you. But still, total OOPSness! ^^;

athyco
athyco
9 years ago

Don’t use the “15-year-old Paul Horner got 25 to life” swatting story if you write a legislator–it’s a hoax. The photograph accompanying the story is of Dylan Shumaker, who did get that length of sentence just a week after his 17th birthday, but for the murder of his girlfriend’s 23-month-old child, Austin.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

What