Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants).
This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.
Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”
Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”
When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.
[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society.
Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.
But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.
Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,
that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain
This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.
Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”
Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that
dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.
Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.
This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.
What is being suggested here is highly intolerant liberalism. You aren’t prepared to admit that a system that doesn’t conform exactly to your preferences can even be *considered*.
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No, Mark, we aren’t prepared to admit that a system that limits individual freedom should be considered.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*coughs*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
And you, Mark, haven’t even considered that staying indoors would be a viable solution for you that would work out great for everyone.
Here’s another very confusing drag king for Mark
Dear Ser Mark, Lord of the Buttwaffles,
I will walk around tonight and tomorrow, tits out and proud just for you and in honor of your “dress code” and me not giving a flying f about your pantsfeels~
I bet Mark will love this gif!
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I don’t think he even knows there are Drag Kings. Sure, Drag Queens, but Drag Kings?
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@WWTH:
Who’s that drag king? Xe’s gorgeous…
Alan,
I’m prepared to accept that the extreme liberal position is a rational one – not immoral – even if not to my taste.
Why the insistence upon condemning systems that don’t appeal to them as immoral?
Mark, why the insistence that limiting someone else’s personal freedoms isn’t immoral?
“No, Mark, we aren’t prepared to admit that a system that limits individual freedom should be considered.”
I don’t know why you started the system with a no. But that’s it isn’t it.
Must confess, I didn’t until this thread. Wonder if I can count that as today’s new fact (I like to learn a new one every day)
EJ,
Landon Cider
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Love the boots!
not system — sentence
@isidore13
Because it clearly isn’t. Social living requires compromise. There is no such thing as total individual freedom.
@katz,
any ideas what this clusterfuck of letters is supposed to mean?
It just makes less sense every time I read it.
But Mark your “compromise” is placing your boner feelz as being more important than a women’s personal freedom. It is immoral to take away freedom for such petty reasons. Stop trying to control women. Now fuck off.
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting there should be; even if it’s only agreeing what side of the road to drive on.
In England we use the test that any restriction on freedom must be “reasonable, proportional and necessary in a democratic society”.
It’s also the case that any restriction must be ‘down by law’; that is to say, a citizen must be able to know exactly what is required of them to abide by the law.
How does your ‘conservative dress’ legislation idea conform with that. And before you answer you may wish to research the legal definition of ‘necessary’.
Holy shit. Please, please, nobody try to explain the social contract to this fool. It would be far more entertaining to leave him completely ignorant.
Do you have a good reason for limiting this particular freedom beyond ‘well, sometimes how people dress might on occasion make other people feel a tiny bit uncomfortable’? Because that’s not actually a good reason.
Alan,
You can take whichever law is used to lock that Scottish guy up for nudism and apply it a bit more widely.
@Mark, what (if anything) do you do for fun and leisure? What brings you joy?
@Alan our raccoons are so ubiquitous and awesome, they appear in advertising:
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@isidore – what’s a good reason for having laws against indecent exposure? Or isn’t there one?
No Mark we’ve already explained that laws against nudity are based on hygiene and quite reasonable. Your sole reason for your dress code is your boner, which isn’t a good reason to demand women sacrifice their freedom.