Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants).
This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.
Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”
Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”
When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.
[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society.
Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.
But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.
Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,
that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain
This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.
Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”
Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that
dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.
Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.
This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.
Snuffy –
Why shouldn’t the man in the devil horns be allowed to spray whatever that is all over his friend in the bondage gear in the middle of the park?
Presumably because society would decide that it was outside of the bounds of good taste – if society agreed with me, there wouldn’t be anything particularly objectionable about having those rules in place.
Mark literally cannot comprehend that anyone else feels differently than him.
@ Pandapool
I saw a lass do the angle grinder on armoured bikini thing once at Torture Garden. It was pretty spectacular (though showed a blatant disregard for the HSE guidance on the use of abrasive wheels: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg17.pdf )
Mark, we are not talking about an ‘inconvenience’ to women, we are talking about you wanting to limit the personal freedoms of EVERY WOMAN YOU SEE because of YOUR inconvenience. THAT is why I am not being civil, it’s because WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT MY FREEDOM TO DRESS HOW I PLEASE SHOULD BE LIMITED BECAUSE YOU WANT IT THAT WAY. FUCK. YOU. Your fucking argument is INHERENTLY uncivil, you irrelevant shrimpdittle.
@Spindrift
But that isn’t really reasonable it’s entirely different to say that this conscious action by an adult is in bad taste and should be regulated than it is to insist on the regulation of an unconscious one. (Though of course there is unofficial social pressure on parents when their children cry in public.)
@Alan
Lol, Alan! You and your laws.
I don’t think Mark gets that Spikey Van Dykey is a Drag King.
“If society agreed with me”
Well obviously they fucking don’t agree with your idea of a dress code so stop saying women should be considerate to you (and the rapist OP) when picking out what they want to wear.
Snuffy –
I can! As I’ve said – repeatedly – I don’t expect society to establish rules on the sole basis of what I personally think – All I am saying is that if they chose to do so it wouldn’t be morally wrong in some way.
Aww, look at this.
http://www.spikeyvandykey.com/052.jpg
http://www.spikeyvandykey.com/050.jpg
http://www.spikeyvandykey.com/publishImages/Photo-Gallery~~element165.jpg
That’s so sweet.
http://www.spikeyvandykey.com/publishImages/Photo-Gallery~~element182.png
http://www.spikeyvandykey.com/publishImages/Photo-Gallery~~element183.png
Mark has been wanking on this entire thread about something that vaguely irritates him. What a tedious, uninteresting person.
@Alan – I live in a city that has the largest urban raccoon population in the world! It is a veritable Mardi Gras of raccoons! They can be annoying, but overall I love them too. I help look after a feral cat colony in my neighbourhood (we feed, also trap/spay or neuter/release), and a family of raccoons lives with them There are 4 babies now, and one of them came up and sniffed my hand the other day while I was feeding, and put his little creepy/awesome raccoon hand on my finger.
There’s a really good documentary about our raccoons:
@pandapool
Well that’s the point isn’t it?
Okay, whew. I was worried that I’d come across like “OMG guys, this woman looks like a dude! It’ll blow your mind!” Internet communication is difficult.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/11c4a1dac09d1c6f6fcc55674f6bbc80/tumblr_mtigkrjA4j1s6d07mo5_1280.jpg
@katz
Usually when I bust out the gifs and different font types, I’m not being serious.
Mark when society tries to take away the personal freedom of ALL WOMEN for no other reason than a FEW men are uncomfortable that is immoral.
Well if you can all just agree that there isn’t anything *inherently* wrong (even if it isn’t to our personal tastes) with a slightly more conservative dress code (in the same way that I accept that there is nothing inherently wrong with the current dress code, or even more liberal ones) I’ll be happy.
@Mark
Shut the fuck up, Mark.
Thank you, snuffy. This guy, guys. This fucking guy.
Aww, Spikey Van Dykey with kids!
There is something inherently wrong with a more conservative dress code because it limits personal freedom for no fucking reason, dipstick.
No-one is saying they should, snuffy.
I’m saying that if society were inclined to make a slightly more conservative dress code than the one we have now there wouldn’t be anything particularly immoral about that.
@katz
I know right! How sweet is that?
And no Mark when you stay stuff like:
“OK… is anyone prepared to say that they would be happy to see someone doing that in the street?
Of course not.”
You demonstrate pretty clearly that you don’t understand people think differently than you do.