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Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants). 

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This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.

Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”

Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”

When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.

[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society. 

Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.

But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.

Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,

that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain

This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.

Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”

Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that

dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.

This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.

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Mark
Mark
9 years ago

“So it’s like a mosquito bite?”
Exactly! It is like a mosquito bite.
I’m still quite not getting why the system we have now is absolutely fine despite the prohibition on nudity, but the system I’m suggesting is somehow some massive imposition on everyone.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

here’s Jason Momoa with a surfboard.

The fact that my first thought was ‘Ooh, nice fishtail, that’s probably about the right size for me’ probably explains why I scored a rather dull zero on the Kinsey scale.

GhostBird
GhostBird
9 years ago

@Kirby
Well he seems to be incapable of controlling himself so I figured blinders might simplify the matter. Or one of those hats from A Handmaid’s Tale.

@Katz
Jason Momoa is gorgeous. Thank you for making my day better.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

@Mark

It would not impose on me at all if you became a shut-in.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

Mark: Because right now people can basically wear whatever they want as long as bikini parts are covered, and you want to restrict that freedom. I’m not sure why you’re not understanding this.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
9 years ago

I’m still quite not getting why the system we have now is absolutely fine despite the prohibition on nudity, but the system I’m suggesting is somehow some massive imposition on everyone.

Because the system we have now is “wear what you want within reason” and the system you’re suggesting is “make yourself invisible to me unless I’m interested in you for some reason”. This isn’t rocket surgery, Mark.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

I don’t want to be tempted to look at people I don’t know and am not interested in.

Ha. I refer you once again to the Temptation of St Anthony. Like, literally the subject that was referenced in the title for this fucking post. You dumbass.
http://the-toast.net/2015/05/26/paintings-of-the-temptation-of-saint-anthony-that-fundamentally-misunderstand-the-concept-of-temptation/

And here’s a raccoon for Alan:
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Moocow
9 years ago

@Mark

but the system I’m suggesting is somehow some massive imposition on everyone.

Do tell, what is this system? You’ve been nothing but vague, what do you think dress codes should be in our society?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

That’s what a city is; a place with a high concentration of people.

In the UK, it’s just somewhere with a Charter. St David’s for instance has a population of less than 2,000.

Interestingly the City of London (as opposed from the metropolitan area), has a population of less than 10,000

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
9 years ago

If looking at people is unbearable to you, live in a rural area. In the US there’s still a ton of sparsely populated and conservative areas. Cities are diverse and liberal. If you’re going to live in one, you have to deal with it.

Nah, I live in a low population density rural area, and people still manage to force their inconvenient selves on your eyes. One of my neighbors has the gall to run every morning in tight pants and a strappy workout top(Fitness? Bah!). And I’ve seen more than one younger woman on an ATV in a bikini top and shorts. One might think that this was because they were on their way to the lake on a summer day, but we all know they’re bikini-ing at somebody.

PoM is right, Mark’s best bet is staying where he is and shuttering the windows.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Mark:

What’s your favorite piece of clothing? I have a shirt with a bright yellow lizard on it that sadly has become too worn out to wear anymore, but I used to wear it constantly. Picture you’re wearing your favorite piece of clothing on the bus.

Now imagine that a woman approaches you and says “listen, you don’t know me and I don’t know you, but I don’t want to have to look at you and that outfit you’re wearing is really tempting to look at. Never wear it again, please.”

Would you find that reasonable? That particular woman might never see you again, and yet you would have to avoid wearing your favorite piece of clothing because of one person that probably will only ever see you once.

This is what you are asking of every single woman in the city you live; asking them to avoid wearing clothing they like because of your desire not to see them, even if you only ever see them once or twice ever.

Are you capable of putting yourself in someone else’s shoes?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

Wow AltoFronto, he looks serious. Still cute though. Thanks.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

Damnit! Alan, the Internet really doesn’t want you to have raccoons. 🙁

Try again: comment image&f=1

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

Oh, nevermind, apparently the pic worked. 🙂 Two-fer-one.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ AltoFronto

Oh wow, he’s a different one to when I clicked your earlier link. He’s in a bucket! And look at that smile.

katz
9 years ago

I have a proposal. Everyone wears whatever they want (and keeps the Bowie pictures coming). Meanwhile, Mark moves to the Siberian village of Tiksi, which has a population of 5000 and an August high of 55 F.

http://www.pravmir.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/tiksi-v-aprele.jpg

Should solve everyone’s problems. Here’s Viktor Tsoi.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/upload/iblock/6b5/cw.jpg

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

Mark – ya gonna back down and admit you’re a complete tool now?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

All these pictures of men are very distracting. They need to cover up to stop distracting me. All men need to start wearing floor-length veils, especially at the beach.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
Gaebolga
Gaebolga
9 years ago

At this point, I find it impossible to believe that Mark is actually serious.

Tedious troll is tedious.

…although I will admit that his “what does rape have to do with this” moment was pretty damn hilarious.

isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

Actually his “what does rape have to do with this” moment makes total sense now, because he was never talking about pantsfeelings, he just doesn’t think fat women should be allowed to wear anything but long-sleeved muumuus, or better yet that they should never leave the house or, you know, exist.

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