Over on Boing Boing, Mark Frauenfelder has posted the excerpt below from A Love That Multiplies: An Up-Close View of How They Make It Work by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar — yes, those Duggars — explaining how women “defraud” men when they dress in a way that men find exciting (in their pants).
This, sadly, is not exactly an original or even unusual notion in reactionary religious circles.
Indeed, a couple of years back, I found a rather scary post on a radically pro-patriarchal site called the CoAlpha Brotherhood in which one young man calling himself Drealm lamented that, as a man living “in a university town that’s overrun with young girls” he was literally “forced to stare at hundreds if not thousands of women a day, all of whom bring sluttiness to all new pinnacle”
Like the Duggars, Drealm thought that “a woman dressing provocatively and leaving a man in an unfinished state of excitement … is an assault on men’s sexuality.”
When women dress like this, he argued, he and other men couldn’t help but want to rape them.
[T]he only thing I want to do to a slut is rape them. … dressing like sluts brings out murders, rapists and sadists in men. … A society based on sluts, might as well be a pro-rapist society.
Reading back over this now, it’s all a bit too reminiscent of the thinking of Elliot Rodger. Indeed, after Rodger went on his misogyny-driven murder spree, one CoAlpha Forum member wrote that Rodger “would have been a true hero” had he only killed more sorority women; the site now adorns its front page with an homage to Rodger.
But it isn’t just those on the margins of the manosphere who think this way. In The Myth of Male Power, the 1993 book that essentially provided the ideological blueprint for the Men’s Rights movement today, Warren Farrell famously wrote of the “miniskirt power” secretaries allegedly had over their male bosses.
Farrell is a couple of decades older now, and apparently it takes more than a miniskirt to render him powerless these days. And by “more than a miniskirt” I mean less. As in no clothing at all. When Farrell put out a new eBook edition of The Myth of Male Power last year, he had his publisher put a rear-view shot of a nude woman on the cover, “to illustrate,” as he explained in an appearance on Reddit,
that the heterosexual man’s attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain
This sort of logic, like that of the Duggars and of “Drealm” from the CoAlpha Brotherhood, also conveniently takes the blame for (heterosexual) male behavior and transports it into the bodies of women. With the Duggars, we’ve seen exactly where this sort of logic can lead.
Farrell, much like the Duggars and the excerable “Drealm,” also seems to think that women commit a kind of fraud against men when they “stir up sensual desires” that they don’t intend to fulfill. As Farrell wrote in The Myth of Male Power, when a man pays good money to take a woman out, and she doesn’t repay him, as it were, with sex, she is in his estimation committing a kind of “date fraud” or “date robbery.”
Or even a sort of date rape. Farrell wrote that
dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom – the social custom of him taking money out of his pocket, giving it to her, and calling it a date. … Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.
Emphasis mine, because holy fuck.
This is what happens when your ideology makes women responsible for (heterosexual) men’s desires. Hell, it’s what happens when you make anyone responsible for the desires of someone else, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
Your pants feelings are your responsibility. Not anyone else’s. Full stop.
You want to implement a draconian conservative dress code because you value the feelings of men over the freedom of women. Fuck off.
Reason #6 Mark Doesn’t Understand Shit
He’s stupid.
Yes. Duh.
Go read the Constitution (or the equivalent document for your nation of residence). I challenge you to find the word “feelings.”
@isiodore
I think that it is impossible to accommodate people who are making completely unreasonable demands, but in general we should try to think about others and be considerate of them.
Reason #7 Mark is an Idiot
He’s dumb.
Mark,
You are making us uncomfortable. Your fine is $1000 payable to David’s cats.
Slutty female cats who don’t cover their assholes. Inconsiderate!
Mark you are an awful piece of shit, your feelings on what women should wear don’t fucking matter. Stop trying to control women.
Reason #8 Mark Doesn’t Fuck Off
He’s the most stupiest motehrfuker in the WORLD! And he should fuck off NOW!
Telling women to dress ‘conservatively’ (whatever that means) *is* an unreasonable demand.
If you were going to make a dress code for men based on what made me feel horny as a teenager, it would have to be “men are not allowed to exist from the waist down.” Because seriously, it didn’t matter if you were wearing flat-front slacks, I was thinking about what was underneath them.
@Mark:
WE KNOW!!!! We know this is what you believe, because you’ve repeated it a number of times so large it makes Grahm’s Number nervous. Personally deciding to take other people’s opinions of your clothing into account is fine.
But that’s not what you want. You want to make a law. That is completely unjustified.
@fromafar2013
“Gender equality and economic development tended to predict, across nations, sex differences in sociosexuality, but not sex differences in sex drive or height.”
Oh dear… what this means is that different levels of gender equality were correlated with “sociosexuality” (whatever that means) but that differences in sex drive and height were *unrelated* to the nature of the society the surveys were conducted in.
Whoopsy.
Reason #9 Mark is a Fucking Idiot
HE’S SO FUCKING DUUUUUMB HE CONFUSES SEXUAL AROUSAL FOR UNCOMFORTABLENESS BECAUSE HE’S THE WORLD’S MOST FUCKING STUPIDEST PIECE OF SHIT IN THE WORLD!
Mark your feelings that everyone should dress conservatively to please you aren’t reasonable, fuck off. My freedom > Your feelz. You aren’t being considerate of the feelings of women whose freedom you’re trying to take away. You only care about being ‘considerate’ to men, you don’t give a shit about the feelings of women. Fuck off.
I would love to see how Mark plans to codify his “don’t do things that make people uncomfortable, unless they’re being unreasonable” principle into law. Ironclad legal principles, those are.
REASONS #10 I WANT TO FUCKING SEND SO MANY FUCKING GOATSE TO HIS INBOX AND SIGN HIM UP FOR SO MUCH SPAMMY SHIT
HE’S SO FUCKING STUPID AND HE’S DOING THIS ON PURPOSE OH WHAT AN IDIOT MARK IS THAT HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THERE’S NO ANONYMITY ON THE INTERNET.
My god, he’s full of stupid!
@Pandapool:
Breathe, pandapool, breathe! Count to ten.
… wait, bad idea.
Good idea! Here is a pool of pandas!
Mark is so stupid he makes Saved By The Bell look intelligent. And I mean the New Class episodes.
Where is David? He sure is taking his sweet time with all of this. I mean, I am literally losing IQ points because of the field of stupid around Mark’s every word. And he’s doing it on purpose now, I like he’s being cute about getting us all riled up and shit.
Dude, it’s the internet. We can walk away whenever we want. It’s your sorry ass that can’t stop posting. I mean, watch me. I’m not gonna post any more in this thread until you’re gone.
But you’re such an idiot ass you’ll keep posting shit, won’t you?
This is why your only friends are on the internet, Mark. This is the reason.
Whatever that means, indeed. It means “basically how prudish people are in their sexual attitudes and behavior” which is going to affect how people SELF REPORT SEX DRIVES.
Mark is so stupid he didn’t understand why it was stupid for Jessica Simpson to not know if Chicken of the Sea was tuna or chicken.
OI, MARK. CONSIDER THIS:
MAKE US ALL 100% LESS UNCOMFORTABLE BY SHUTTING THE FUCK UP. SHOW SOME FUCKING CONSIDERATION, JEEEEZ!
You’re just so goddamned wrong, and you won’t even back down, you’re just repeating the same wrongness until we’re all forced to conclude that you’re now just trolling for the shits and giggles. And it’s not even amusing. As trolls go, it’s unoriginal, unproductive, and it’s just fucking dull as fucking ditch-water.
Mark is so stupid he would lose a debate to Beavis and Butthead.
I know. My pop culture references are dated.
Mark, what exactly do you mean by “uncomfortable” anyway? You’ve previously equated it to “embarrassed”; but why should that be?
Probably everyone who isn’t asexual gets sexy thoughts about people at times.
I can’t speak for everyone but from my own experiences and from talking to friends of all genders and sexualities I’ve never heard anyone speak of discomfort. it’s usually more on a spectrum from pleasant to thrilling.