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Sorry, MRAs, You’re Kleenex: Why Men’s Rights Activists have lost control of their brand

Cat enjoying genuine Kleenex brand facial tissues.
Cat enjoying genuine Kleenex brand facial tissues.

While Men’s Rights Activists are quick to label virtually any woman that they disagree with a feminist, they react with outrage when anyone who is not a self-admitted MRA is described as one.

The folks at A Voice for Men are still fuming about what they consider a “trust-shattering” media scandal: the fact that a bunch of news outlets wrote about a supposed Men’s Rights boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road, when in fact the virulently antifeminist Youtube blabber calling for the boycott wasn’t technically a Men’s Rights activist at all.

Meanwhile, there’s a dude cluttering up my Twitter mentions with demands I take some sort of action against a tiny handful of commenters on this blog who have referred to the woman-hating mass killer Elliot Rodger as an MRA, even though, as far as we know, he wasn’t one.

To which I can only say: Sorry, guys. You’re Kleenex. And you’d better get used to it.

I don’t mean to imply that MRAs are thin sheets of paper best suited to being used as disposable snot-collectors. What I mean is that MRAs, like the makers of Kleenex, have lost control of their brand name.

Just as the word “Kleenex,” a brand name designating the product of one manufacturer, has become, in popular usage, a generic term for disposable snot-rags, so “MRA” has, in popular usage, become a catchall term used to designate any and all varieties of woman-hating nitwits who think “misandry” is a bigger problem than misogyny. 

So why have Manospherians, Pickup Artists, Incels, MGTOWs, GamerGaters, “slut haters,” Dark Enlightenment “thinkers,” and assorted other types of woman-hating nitwits all found themselves labelled MRAs, much to the chagrin of some self-declared MRAs?

Well, dudes, it’s actually pretty simple: because no one but you — and close followers of the New Misogyny, like the readers of this blog — can tell the difference between any of these groups of people. Because 90% of the backwards beliefs you espouse are exactly the same. 

Take the idea of female “hypergamy” — that is, the notion that women are perpetually obsessed with finding a “better” guy, and will happily desert or cheat on “beta” partners whenever they get a whiff of a nearby “alpha.” This particular redefinition of a term that used to simply mean “marrying up” originated with White Nationalist F. Roger Devlin; now it’s a central belief of Red Pillers everywhere, from the reactionary plate-spinning PUAs of the Red Pill subreddit (where Devlin’s, er, seminal work on the subject is listed in the sidebar) to the “Men’s Human Rights Activists” of A Voice for Men (where no less than 35 articles have mentioned the subject, including 7 in their headlines, and where one writer declared Devlin’s writing “supremely indispensable.”)

MRAs aren’t PUAs aren’t White Nationalists, but there are a lot of people whose identity straddles two or more of these labels, and they all love talking about hypergamy.

As for Elliot Rodger, he wasn’t an MRA or a PUA or a White Nationalist, but he hung out on a website, PUAhate, whose participants were immersed in the same misogynistic ideology that drives so many MRAs; indeed, one of the site’s mods was a regular contributor to AVFM. If you read through book-length manifesto left behind, as I have, you’ll find a lot of anti-woman rhetoric that is virtually identical to the hateful nonsense you can find posted all over the broader “manosphere.”. He also was a believer in female “hypergamy,” offering his own chilling take on one “meme” depicting the alleged unfairness of women’s sexual tastes that you can find all over the manosphere.

This isn’t the same sort of mislabeling that happens when, say, someone calls Margaret Thatcher a feminist, or when MGTOWs describe contemporary marriage as a feminist plot to enslave men, or when some particularly confused commenter in the Men’s Rights subreddit, say, declares far-right Norwegian MRA Elvind Berge to be some sort of feminist because he has suggested that teen boys raped by female teachers are “lucky.” (Never mind that this is not exactly a feminist belief in the first place.)

No, it’s much closer to identifying a Puffs facial tissue as a Kleenex.

Or, to fall back on the classic Monty Python bit, mixing up the Judean People’s Front with the People’s Front of Judea.

The outrage over the Men’s-Rights-boycott-of-Mad Max: Fury-Road-That-Wasn’t has gotten nearly as silly as that Monty Python bit. Over on AVFM, the site’s excitable managing editor, Dean Esmay, has been posting furious post after furious post attacking the “bigoted hatemonger[s]” and “hate-filled bigots” who in his mind are promoting “fabricated bullshit” claiming that Men’s Rights activists were boycotting the film.

At one point, he even suggested that these stories might be the result of “an actual coordinated plan by corrupt journalists who want to inject slander of human rights activists into supposedly straight news.”

In case you’re wondering, when Esmay talks about “human rights activists” he’s referring to MRAs. No, really.

Esmay is right about two things: Aaron Clarey, who called for the boycott, isn’t an MRA, nor is Roosh V, on whose site Clarey’s post was posted.

But it’s not hard to see how Clarey might have been mistaken for an MRA, given that in his post he sounds exactly like one. Indeed, he sounds enough like an MRA that AVFM has posted a number of articles and videos by Clarey on its site, the most recent of which, posted last month, was an excerpt of the white writer’s rather presumptuous self-published book “The Black Man’s Guide Out of Poverty.”

The whole fake controversy reached new heights of silliness today, when AVFM posted a piece denouncing a Forbes writer for talking about the supposed “Men’s Rights” boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road alongside a piece … decrying a supposed “feminist takeover of Hollywood.” No, really.

How Dave Thier rationalized lying to Forbes readers about a nonexistent boycott  Why are reporters like Dave Thier of Forbes standing by their fake reporting of a nonexistent boycott of Max Max Fury Road?  Female Friends Watching A Scary Movie Together Why a feminist takeover of Hollywood is a problem and why it’s happening  The feminist takeover of Hollywood will not satisfy their hunger for power. Rachael Lefler attacks the subversion of art for feminist panderers.

I’m going to post five quotes below. One or more is/are from Aaron Clarey’s non-MRA call for a boycott; the other or others are from Rachael Lefler’s AVFM attack on Hollywood feminism. Can you guess which are which?

  1. “[T]his maddening obsession with a distorted concept of egalitarianism and fairness is never going to end … and Hollywood will keep trying to make films that meet their demands which are never able to be met, because the feminists will still find shit to complain about.”
  2. “[F]eminism has infiltrated and co-opted Hollywood, ruining nearly every potentially-good action flick with a forced female character or an unnecessary romance sub-plot to eek out that extra 3 million in female attendees.”
  3. “[Feminists are] totally fine with a movie that perpetuates negative stereotypes about men, since we all know men are just dumb oppressive shitlords who can’t keep their rape-sticks in their pants for five minutes.”
  4. “This is the vehicle by which they are guaranteed to force a lecture on feminism down your throat. This is the Trojan Horse feminists and Hollywood leftists will use to (vainly) insist on the trope women are equal to men in all things, including physique, strength, and logic.”
  5. “Feminists will never be satisfied by any work of fiction, no matter how in line it is with feminist principles. They can always demand more, and they always will. Their whole idea of “activism” is to cry about how they are being oppressed by the latest blockbuster and to angrily denounce the next one on Twitter.”

So which of the quote(s) above is/are from the NON-MRA article by NON-MRA Aaron Clarey, posted on the NON-MRA “Return of Kings” website, and which is/are from the post by MRA (or at least MRA-sympathizer) Rachael Lefler on AVFM, the most influential site of the Men’s Rights movement?

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1, 3, and 5 are from Lefler (Team MRA); 2 and 4 are from Clarey (Team Don’t Even Dare Call Him an MRA You Hatemongering Bigots). Don’t beat yourself up if you got some wrong: I had to doublecheck the origin of a couple of them, even though I’d cut and pasted them into this post only moments earlier.

So yeah, MRAs, you’re Kleenex.

Now, I’m a stickler for details, so I will personally continue to draw distinctions between MRAs and the various other sects of New Misogynists out there. But not everyone else will. Some because they don’t know all the details, others because they don’t care to distinguish between 31 flavors of terrible.

EDIT: Rewrote the conclusion.

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opium4themasses
opium4themasses
9 years ago

Tealily, don’t underestimate their aggrieved entitlement. Whenever you set a bar for them, they sail under it with ease.

A.A. Wils
9 years ago

Well, if MRA stands for what it really means–i.e., Misogynist Reactionary Asshole–then I would say the label covers every manosphere site/blog/forum there is.

Elam and his ilk have themselves to blame. They do nothing about the real issues, like high rates of suicide among men, prison rape, and custody issues; and yet whine and blah blah blah feminazis and blah blah blah sluts and blah blah blah women are to blame. In one of the posts from earlier this week, Dave addressed the very fact that Elam has said that the job of the so-called “men’s rights activists” is not really to do anything, but to just make a bunch of internet noise and hope that some of the crap they throw at the wall will stick.

Those issues–suicie, rape, custody–are real issues. These are problems people like us on these “feminazi” sites actually care about, and do something to remedy, while the MRAs just sit around being bitter and complainy. Which, I guess, is supposedly alpha-as-all-get-out?

Cry me a river, Elam and all you other MRAs. Cry me a river.

Miss Andry
9 years ago

Hey thanks for the link/shout-out there, I appreciate it 😀

Lynn
Lynn
9 years ago

More feminist media please. The stupid that comes from these MRAs is just so damn amusing it’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion. With every misogynistic comment, they crash and burn. Better grab the popcorn!

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

Just as the word “Kleenex,” a brand name designating the product of one manufacturer, has become, in popular usage, a generic term for disposable snot-rags, so “MRA” has, in popular usage, become a catchall term used to designate any and all varieties of woman-hating nitwits who think “misandry” is a bigger problem than misogyny.

Q. What’s the difference between an MRA and a Kleenex?

A. The Kleenex is actually good for something.

And yeah. MRAs are totally snotrags!

ktward
9 years ago

… some don’t care to distinguish between 31 flavors of terrible.

Yup, that’s me. An asshole is an asshole, no matter what color or flavor.

But I have to admit, it amuses me the MRA assholes are getting all hinky trying to distinguish themselves from one another. How precious.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
9 years ago

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

Kleenex can help when men have a mess on their hands.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
9 years ago

Sorry, was that too … on the nose?

dbrvnk
9 years ago

From my random sampling of the archives here (first time commenter… I think), I’ve worked out that there is definitely some sort of difference between AVFM, ROK, MGTOW, MRA, MHRM, PUA, TRP and whatever the other ones were, but I can never remember which is which without a glance at your glossary. These dudes seem obsessed with being part of the “10%” or “20%” so I guess for them it’s really important to make themselves out to be the special ones and put all the other dudes in their place but I mean… that’s dude culture. Trying to keep all the other dudes down to show you’re boss. Or something.

“[F]eminism has infiltrated and co-opted Hollywood, ruining nearly every potentially-good action flick with a forced female character or an unnecessary romance sub-plot to eek out that extra 3 million in female attendees.”

… women make up 65 percent of the film going audience, is this writer on the drugs?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@opium

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

Woman actually want Kleenex.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@opium

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

Kleenex isn’t greasy.

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

Kleenex, while not actually alive, can give more emotional comfort and support than any MRA.

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

You can turn down a Kleenex and not be called a slut.

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

Kleenexes can come in all different colors, not just white, unlike MRAs.

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

You can throw away Kleenex and never have it bother you again.

What’s the difference between Kleenex and MRAs?

You don’t have to worry about whether a Kleenex will give you something contagious, unlike an MRA.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
9 years ago

http://youtu.be/WZcqkTIOZRU
All these “What’s the difference between Kleenex and Mras” jokes my reaction:
http://youtu.be/mVgXGw_XhRQ

Oh Hi There
Oh Hi There
9 years ago

I’m so excited to be able to contribute something to this I can barely type:

Whenever genericized trademarks come up, everyone lists examples, like Kleenex or Coke or Q-Tip–and they always leave out the best one: Dumpster.

“Dumpster” is a registered trademark of the Dempster brothers and their company, the Dempster-Dumpster company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumpster#History

I love bringing it up, because it’s so ubiquitous that no one even knows they’re using it. It’s especially apt here, though, because MRAs are literal mobile garbage bins.

So while you say MRAs are like Kleenex, I can say you’re right: They’re just like Dumpsters.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

I’ve been following MRAs for… Years, yikes… And I’m yet to notice anything distinct enough about their sects to make it worth differentiating them. Even the sects of the Republican Party are worth differentiating sometimes. MRAs, you are more homogeneous than the Republican Party.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

You can hose a Dumpster down if it starts smelling.

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

You at least have some vague idea about shit leaking out of a Dumpster.

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

Dumpsters have an actual use in society.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

Plus, “MRAs” is just so much shorter than “Movement MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, incels, #GamerGaters and other manospherians.”

Catalpa
Catalpa
9 years ago

@alaisvex

Furthermore, there are no romances in Fury Road, forced or otherwise

That’s not technically true; Capable and Nux have a couple adorable little moments.

YoullNeverGuess
9 years ago

I don’t think that’s really fair to dumpsters, which are used to *contain* trash, not spew it.

That is a great example of a trademarked name, though! I’ll have to remember that.

Hoosier X
9 years ago

We should come up with a new generic term to appease the newfound political correctness of the MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, etc.

The New Misogynists doesn’t work because it is OLD OLD OLD OLD!

How about Movement Misogynists?

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

What’s the difference between MRAs and dumpsters?

Dumpsters contain their garbage while MRAs spew it everywhere.

What’s the difference between MRAs and dumpsters?

Dumpsters hold waste. MRAs are a waste.

Oh Hi There
Oh Hi There
9 years ago

@Pandapool

What’s the difference between an MRA and a Dumpster?

If an MRA raises a stink, it’s really about ethics in game journalism.

What’s the difference between an MRA and a Dumpster?

If you dump a Dumpster, it doesn’t start a hashtag about it.

What’s the difference between an MRA and a Dumpster?

You wouldn’t run away if you saw a Dumpster hanging out behind a bar.

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Oh, no. Ninja’d 🙁

katz
9 years ago

What’s the difference between an MRA and a dumpster?

Someone takes a dumpster out every week!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

Hoover is another good one. Both MRAs and vacuum cleaners suck.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

You can shut up a Dumpster.

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

Many Dumpsters carry contraceptives and condoms.

What’s the difference between MRAs and Dumpsters?

Diving into a dumpster can actually get you useful things, like unspoiled produce, batteries, recyclables, books, furniture, lots of stuff. Diving into an MRA will likely give you a diease.