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Reactionary “game” guru Roosh V divorces The Red Pill, demands full custody of all the pageviews

Roosh V, living the dream
Roosh V, living the dream

Oh dear. Roosh V’s rebranding campaign isn’t going well at all.

The increasingly reactionary pickup guru, who seems deathly afraid of being universally recognized as the creepy old guy at the club that he so obviously has become, is earnestly trying to transform himself into a philosopher of sorts, and a sort of manosphere elder. He recently gave his highly unoriginal philosophy a name — “Neomasculinity” — and proclaimed himself the headmaster of this “new” school of thought.

I put “new” in scare quotes because there is nothing whatsoever new about his “ideas,” such as they are; his philosophy is little more than a warmed-over version of Red Pill dogma, with some extra helpings of racism, homophobia, and good-old-fashioned patriarchy.

In an attempt to convince the world that he is indeed selling something new and improved, Roosh has launched an attack on his former Red Pill allies. In a post on Friday, he declared that the Red Pill was over:

The red pill term has served its use in the past five years, but a quick perusal of the red pill subreddit or related blogs show that it’s too focused on sex at sacrifice of greater political and cultural issues. It has become an entry-level group for men in their 20’s who just started getting laid, but this can only serve as a transitory stage.

Once a man has gotten his fill of casual sex, and is looking for deeper meaning in his relationships or satisfaction with life, the red pill has few answers besides running “dread game” on your wife, maintaining “good style” to attract young females when older, or the ever vague “work on yourself.” Neomasculinity will aim to fill in these gaps by serving men regardless of their age or involvement in the game.

He went on to complain that the Red Pill “has no council of elders to guide the ideology” and that it has failed to stop women from “declin[ing] in their virtue” and getting fat. (Yeah, he’s a bit obsessed with that.)

In a followup video yesterday, Roosh made very clear just who he thinks should be the chairman of the manosphere’s council of elders. SPOILER ALERT: It’s him. Indeed, in the video, Roosh claims that he invented the Red Pill philosophy, with some help from other reactionary “game” bloggers like Roissy/Heartiste and Rollo Tomassi.

He also declared that there would be no “homosexuals” allowed into his Neomasculinity club, because the idea of men using Red Pill techniques to get “buttsex” strikes him as inherently ridiculous.

It’s not hard to guess at what Roosh’s real motivations here are. He seems to have burned himself out as a pickup artist; apparently the years he’s spent trying to cajole or coerce drunken Eastern European women he hates into sex haven’t provided him with much lasting satisfaction.

He ran out of things to say on the subject a long time ago, and traffic at his personal blog has stagnated, at least according to Alexa’s far-from-foolproof estimates. His more broadly reactionary group blog Return of Kings is far more popular, but Alexa reports that its traffic has been down much of the year.

Not surprisingly, Roosh’s attempt to declare himself king of the manosphere did not go over terribly well on the Red Pill subreddit. Most saw it as a moneygrab, and a rather desperate attempt to hang on to relevance in a scene that’s moving on from him.

As BurgundyCarpet wrote,

The problem with Neomasculinity is that its synonymous with “Roosh V.” He’s trying to create an alternative to the Red Pill. Yet the only significant practical differences between TRP and Neomasculinity are:

Roosh has complete control
Roosh stands to profit

I respected Roosh until he pulled this lame bullshit move. He’s trying to monetize TRP by changing the name of TRP. I like the guy and I like his work but this entire “Neomasculinity” thing is the most transparently self-serving bullshit ive ever seen.

Others were even less kind. Elatusa dug the knife in deep, and twisted it:

He was always a beta PUA who, once he got some pussy, decided to try monetize every tip anyone in the community ever shared. …

I have 0 respect for him as a man, especially now that he’s trying to sell TRP theories under his own brand.

“Fuck him, I never liked him anyway,” DOCTORxTEETH added. “His eyes stick out too fucking far.”

Red Pill clowner GayLubeOil, meanwhile, dropped the ultimate Red Pill dis, declaring that “Roosh doesn’t even lift.”

Roosh’s response to all this was to indignantly deny that he was trying to cash in on his lingering celebrity. And to attack thee Red Pillers for posting on Reddit, which Roosh has somehow convinced himself is a “virulent matriarchy” run by radical feminists. No, really.

Here’s the rant he posted on his own forums, which is so jaw-droppingly divorced from reality that it’s worth quoting in full. I’ve bolded a few highlights.

Speaking of profit, The Red Pill members make a big show about information being free, but they seem to forget that they regularly post on a for-profit platform owned by the most die hard feminists in Silicon Valley, perhaps the world, and led by a litigious feminist itself (Ellen Pao) that is on the verge of passing more oppressive rules. TRP subreddit exists because the feminists who own the site have allowed them to post. For men who are obsessed with being “alpha” and maintaining “frame,” they have volunteered to position themselves on a lower hierarchy compared to these elite feminists.

Every single page view they give reddit, they aid feminists. Every single comment they post, they increase the profit of this anti-man corporation, and even if ads are not always directly on TRP, the huge amount of page views that the subreddit gives reddit overall is definitely used to sell ads sitewide through their advertising spec sheets.

So either indirect or directly, everyone who regularly posts on that site is increasing the money that feminists make, improving the popularity of their platform to better bring SJW and far left thought to the masses, and improving the financial support that Silicon Valley feminists receive. How they can reconcile that fact by critiquing me for selling books shows how confused these men are, and how they are merely parroting red pill ideas and not living in the spirit of them.

I wish no ill will on these men, but I told them from day one to go forth and build their own platform. They did not listen to my advice, and are now being overseen by the enemy—a virulent matriarchy—whom they so despise, and who can shutdown their so-called “frame” with only a few clicks. When that happens, they are welcome here in this community where they can finally learn from men who live more truly to masculine ideals.

Amazing.

So far the biggest winners in this little manosphere war are those watching on the sidelines, and laughing. It’s reminiscent of the embarrassing spectacle that ensued when Paul Elam tried to declare himself King of the MGTOWs. Expect much more hilarity ahead.

 

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weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

I’m the same age as Roosh. I definitely look younger and better despite the fact that I’m feeemale and have hit the wall.

Thanks for the ban, David. He ceased to be an amusing chew toy some time ago. Which is sad, because he’s new.

ktrantingredhead
9 years ago

Translation: My tactics of winning over women by abusing them don’t work but I am too much of a Doosh V to admit it so I’lll just pretend it’s an evolution or continuation and hope no one notices.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

I’m guessing this is his way of trying to reinvent himself as something better (albeit still pretty despicable), and that’s a project I have a certain amount of sympathy with.

Actually, he seems to be trying to reinvent himself as something worse, and fortunately failing even at that.

I hope it gives him a permanent boner-wilt.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

He also declared that there would be no “homosexuals” allowed into his Neomasculinity club, because the idea of men using Red Pill techniques to get “buttsex” strikes him as inherently ridiculous.

And yet, I’ll bet, he’s made umpteen hundred failed attempts to get buttsex from women. What the hell is the difference? A butt is a butt is a butt.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

What the hell is the difference?

The difference is that Roosh gets a hard-on looking at one type of butt and not the other.

childrenofthebroccoli
childrenofthebroccoli
9 years ago

I know RNC got banned (thanks David) but I still want to respond to his last point; almost all of the famous gay people I can think of off the top of my head are married. George Takei, Matt Bomer, Neil Patrick Harris, Ellen DeGeneres, all married or in LTRs. The only single gay actor I can think of is Ian McKellen, and I have no idea what he gets up to in his spare time.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@childrenofthebroccoli

Writing Magneto/Xavier fan fiction, like most of us do.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
9 years ago

::watching misogynists fight one another::
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/300/8/e/how_to_eat_popcorn__gif_by_victoriawolf16-d84dy9u.gif

Ej
Why do you have freakin sympathy for a freakin rapist and abuser?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@Bina:
From the sound of what he said about not concentrating on sex, that might already be the case.

(Cheap shot, I know, but I thought it was funny.)

laughnwitch
laughnwitch
9 years ago

Here is a short video about Roosh by Andrew Norton who also follows this blog I hope everyone enjoys

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@Frootloopsie:
I try to cultivate sympathy for everyone, even people I loathe. Especially people I loathe, in fact. I try to prevent myself from othering people because I’m worried that if I start intentionally avoiding having sympathy for everybody I dislike then it makes it too easy for me to become the bad guy. In this case I’m relatively sure I’m not the bad guy, but it’s a life-approach thing.

That said, I feel far more sympathy for his victims. I hope they’re in good places in their lives, whomever and wherever they are.

ktrantingredhead
9 years ago

I suppose even manchildren have to grow up some time

Button
Button
9 years ago

Silicon Valley feminists

wat

megpie71
9 years ago

EJ: I think he’s basically come to the realisation that even the best sex only lasts for about two or three minutes, and even the world’s greatest orgasm tends to only manage about thirty seconds max. Which means you have a lot of life surrounding those things to fill in. The truly successful womanisers (your actual Casanovas and so on) tended to be men who genuinely liked women (of all shapes and sizes), and enjoyed filling in time being with them, listening to them, flirting with them and so on, outside the confines of sexual intercourse (plus, of course, they gave a damn about their partners, which meant their partners came back for seconds… and thirds… and further helpings). Mr Valizadeh doesn’t particularly like women, so any time spent with them outside the confines of actual sex is not a pleasure for him. This is a disadvantage if your only damn marketable skill is one which necessarily involves a lot of time spent around people you don’t particularly like.

Basically, he’s reached the “gods, life is too short for this shit” point when it comes to sex. Congratulations to him, and it only took him what, five years or so? to reach the point most women reach with his schtick in about five minutes. So now he’s casting about frantically for some other way to make a quick buck (the notion of actually buckling down, getting an actual paying job, and working for a living doing something boring for a boss being entirely too uninteresting for his “alpha” self). Again, I wish him good luck for the whole business, but quite frankly, you’re going to need a better product, mate.

My guess for five years from now: there’s going to be a lot of “Roosh who?” floating about the manosphere.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

I don’t wish Roosh luck, and I think that his admitted actions require a stronger response than sending good thoughts toward his victims. He is a terrible person, an admitted rapist, and I feel morally obligated to hope that, if we can’t get him arrested, he at least suffers the full effects of the incredibly toxic decisions he’s made.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

for-profit platform owned by the most die hard feminists in Silicon Valley, perhaps the world

The majority owner of Reddit, Advance Publications, first made Reddit a division of of Condé Nast, a publishing company famously founded in New York City and still located there. In 2011, Advance Publications made Reddit, Inc a separate subsidiary, but they still own it and Advance’s headquarters are in the least swanky NYC borough, Staten Island.

I’m not sure where these die hard feminists in Silicon Valley who own Reddit are, outside of Roosh’s imagination. There are multiple minority owners, but Advance is the majority owner and therefore calls the shots.

http://www.wired.com/2011/09/reddit-spun-out/

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

@EJ – that is a good mindset to have. It really is too easy sometimes to fall into the same trap of demonizing and dehumanizing the person you consider loathsome that they have fallen into (which is often the reason we loathe them in the first place).

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
9 years ago

Roosh DOES TOO lift! And he got laid in Norway!!! <>

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
9 years ago

((Runs away crying))

portlantonio
9 years ago

@Policy of Madness,

I was going to probably leave a pretty lengthy comment explaining some of what I feel is weirdest and most wrong about Roosh, but then you reminded me of that.

This man is an admitted and unrepentant rapist and an encourager of rape. That trumps everything about this guy. Nothing more needs be said. He’s scum, and I hope everything goes terribly for him.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
9 years ago

In one of the links David posted to Roosh’s blog, the headline was “Neomasculinity Receives Mainstream Recognition.” The “mainstream” attention he’s crowing about was an InfoWars article.

hahahahahahahahaha

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

@ Policy of Madness – I also agree that Roosh should definitely reap the consequences of his toxic behaviour. Not dehumanizing someone and holding them responsible for their actions and the consequences thereof aren’t mutually exclusive things. I’m not exactly going to be upset if Roosh faces a consequence from his victims (in fact I do rather hope he does), but if he’s genuinely started to twig that this life he’s made for himself is a miserable one, maybe he’ll change (even if his motivation is a selfish one) and we can at least hope that there will be no future victims. And maybe he’ll just do even worse things. No way to be sure yet.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

@RNC

By contrast, I don’t know of any openly gay male public figure who has come to a similar sort of self-awareness. The ones in middle age who have stayed reasonably healthy still engage in alienating, haphazard sex with strangers, even traveling around the world as sex tourists to do so. Emotionally they still act like gay teenagers, in other words, and they never seem to mature beyond that state.

What openly gay male public figures do you know who are promoting haphazard sex with strangers? List them dipshit.

Many high profile gay men are married and far as I know Dan Savage, Neil Patrick Harris, the ginger from Modern Families, Nate Burkus, Ryan Murphy, Johnny Weir, Tim Gunn and others don’t champion or openly engage in alienating, haphazard sex with stranger or sex tourism.
Tim Gunn is openly asexual and admitted to not having sex with a man in 30 years. None of them have publicly admitted to committing rape, unlike Roosh. Do you have secret gossip that proves your claims?

FYI, it’s pretty well known in the film world that Bryan Singer is guilty of his alleged sex party crimes, but it’s also very well known in the film world that there are plenty of male directors, execs, producers and actors who do the same thing to underage teen girls.

portlantonio
9 years ago

No offense to Jenny or EJ, but I really feel that the whole antipathy towards any hatred thing can be very wishy-washy and ineffectual.
If that’s what works in your life, great, but keep in mind that those strong negative emotions exist for a reason. There are people worthy of derision. There are individuals whose proclivities and inclinations make them harmful to the safety and well-being of others. I feel, responsible individuals should hate them.

The problem with racists, sexists, homophobes etc. has never been the fact that they simply hate. That notion is a meme that prevents those ideologies and the individuals that embrace them from being opposed as strongly in popular culture as they should be. It’s who and why and how they hate that’s the problem.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

Oh, RNC was banned. Bye asshole.

@zoon echon logon

In one of the links David posted to Roosh’s blog, the headline was “Neomasculinity Receives Mainstream Recognition.” The “mainstream” attention he’s crowing about was an InfoWars article.

hahahahahahahahaha

I second your hahahahahahahahaha. Also, he brags “it has received over 40,000 views in three days”.

That’s not that impressive for an InfoWar video, “TPP Gives Obama Power To Destroy America” had over 40,000 views in one day.