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To one Men’s Rights Activist, “lying” about MRAs boycotting Mad Max: Fury Road is worse than denying the Holocaust

Dean Esmay, outraged again
Dean Esmay, outraged again

Uh oh! Dean Esmay of A Voice for Men is outraged by the latest terrible calumny besmirching the good name of the Men’s Rights movement. That Big Lie? That Men’s Rights Activists are boycotting Mad Max: Fury Road.

As Esmay puts it, in his characteristically overheated prose, the very notion that there is such a boycott

is a completely fabricated story by a handful of elitists abusing their power in the media–and betraying their fellow journalists while doing it.

Using his powerful internet detective skills, Esmay has managed to track down “the source of the lie,” which, as he sees it, “appears to have originated from a discredited hate-blogger named David Futrelle … .”

I’ve left off the rest of his sentence, as it is straight-up libel. Well, so is the bit about me being a “discredited hate-blogger,” and the part about the “lie” originating with me. I will give him credit for managing to spell my name correctly.

I’ll cop to the fact that my post on a would-be boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road set off an avalanche of articles on the subject. The Mary Sue, I believe, was the first to pick up the story, and was quickly followed by a few others. And then other writers piggybacked off of them. For better or worse, that’s how it works in online journalism these days.

But if Esmay is looking for the source of the incorrect notion that self-described Men’s Rights activists were behind the “boycott,” well, he’s not going to find it in my post, which contained no mention of Men’s Right Activists at all.

Yep, I reported the 100% true fact that a Youtube bloviater named Aaron Clarey had written a post on Return of Kings urging men, in his words, to “not only REFUSE to see the movie, but spread the word to as many men as possible.” I described his readers on Return of Kings as misogynists, not MRAs, though clearly there is a massive overlap between those two groups.

The idea that this was specifically a Men’s Rights crusade was, to be sure, a bit of sloppiness on the part of the journalists writing about it, who are not quite as familiar as some of us are with all the different varieties of woman-hating shitheads there are in the “manosphere” — especially since their belief systems overlap considerably. As I noted in a previous post on this subject, writing about Esmay’s accusations against a writer for the Huffington Post,

It’s true that the HuffPo writer, in the original version of her piece, wrongly described the MRA-adjacent Return of Kings — which has urged a boymancott of Mad Max Fury Road —  as a Men’s Rights site proper. There are in fact some differences between ROK and AVFM. For example, while AVFM writers have declared women to be “obnoxious cunts,” who control men with their vaginas, ROK writers have suggested that women are actually depraved, disloyal sheep.

You can almost forgive journalists for getting a bit mixed up.

Meanwhile, it’s clear that some MRAs, including some associated with AVFM, have views on the movie that bear a striking similarity to those of Mr. Clarey and his comrades at ROK. It was an AVFM staffer, not Aaron Clarey, who posted this meme on AVFM’s Facebook page. (It’s since been removed, possibly because it contradicts the narrative that Esmay is now promoting.)

From AVFM's Facebook page
From AVFM’s Facebook page

And if you want many other example of MRAs saying they won’t go to see the film because feminism, you’ll find more than a few in this thread on the Men’s Rights subreddit. Oh, and in this thread (archived here) on … the official AVFM Forum.

Yes, that’s right: there are MRAs talking about boycotting Mad Max: Fury Road on AVFM’s own official forum. One declares himself “a (former) Mad Max fan,” another writes “going to skip this one. Mad Max is now dead to me.” “I’m out,” adds a third.

But Esmay seems to think that there is some vast conspiracy afoot, writing that

we are really serious with this question: was anyone paid to put this fake story in the press? If so, who was paid and who did the paying?

Don’t be silly. No money changes hands. At least no human money. We do it under direct orders from our feline overlordsladies.

But as long as we’re asking questions I have one for Mr. Esmay: Are you ever going to do anything about the Holocaust denier and Hitler fan you’ve published many times on AVFM?

Apparently, to Dean Esmay at least, posting that Mad Max: Fury Road is being boycotted by MRAs, when most of the boycotters are in fact merely MRA-adjacent, is a greater crime against truth than denying the Holocaust.

 

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Nameless Wonder
Nameless Wonder
9 years ago

Hello David, off and on reader and first time commenter. I am a feminist and I refuse to follow MRA bullcrap but I can say from the links you provided they are literally REEKING of desperation. They are ALL OVER Huffington post pretending to have a legitimate cause and 90% of the men are telling them to get lost (among other things).

It’s hilarious – they honestly believe that the public must bend over backwards and distinguish ROK from MRAs. It’s a lot like Neo-Nazis saying “No way, dude, I am NOT a KKK member” as if it makes their bigotry and hate somehow more palatable.

They are also pretending that feminists have lied about MRAs being recognized as a hate group by the SPLC, when they’ve been tracking their bigoted movements for several years now:

http://www.splcenter.org/search/google/men%27s%20rights%20movement?query=men%27s%20rights%20movement&cx=011869570708919044592%3Agucfjjffq2e&cof=FORID%3A11&sitesearch=

Anyway, thanks for all you do. :o)

katz
9 years ago

A. A. Wils and Nameless Wonder: Welcome! Help yourselves to our complimentary welcome package.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Nice! There can never be enough misandry gifs in this world.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
9 years ago

Esmay seems increasingly detached from reality. I remember him being semi-coherent in the past (at least for AVFM, or maybe I’m misremembering), but, geez, that whole post is just one long screech of nonsense and invective. He doesn’t even bother to explain the difference between MRAs and RoK, just insults David (seriously, yeah, libel) and rambles against the media. He’s starting to sound like the North Korean Insult Generator: http://www.nk-news.net/extras/insult_generator.php

lowquacks
lowquacks
9 years ago

Katz, did you mean to link to this? That’s another link to the Mad Misandry .gif.

lowquacks
lowquacks
9 years ago

Also seconding the welcome to A.A. and Nameless Wonder.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
9 years ago

‘MRA-adjacent’ sounds like the worst possible adjective you could see in a real estate listing.

Since MRAs don’t work to promote and support men’s rights, but rather spend their time wanking to their own complaints about how much they hate the womens, how do they expect us to tell the difference between ‘independent’ misogynists and the ‘MRA-affiliated’?

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

I’ve made myself read Esmay libellous (yes) outburst of his typical MRA paranoia and am struck by several things.

First, the classic manurespherian reality flip trick, something that astonished me greatly when I first encountered that abberation of the human species known as Misogynist Rape Advocates and their other redpillian ilk. These guys operate on a principle that white is black, up is down, oppressors are victims and vice versa, no matter the evidence screaming in their faces. They essentially invert reality known to all of us and then get outraged by the inversion — created only in their own paranoid, self-pitying minds! It would be funny if the results weren’t so nasty and dangerous. Esmay is doing just that — as usual — in his ridiculous screed.

Second, the comments. As always, er, educational. This time especially so, since several commenters express their (ever-so-gentle now, lol) agreement with Clarey, in spite of Esmay’s rageful assurances that MRA have nothing against the movie. That, BTW, can also be seen under each article that has dealt with Clarey’s inane piece and that allows comments: there are numerous MRA types there who enthusiastically agree with him and then some.

Third, and most mind-bogglingly (and libellously), this:

“discredited (!) hate-blogger (!!) named David Futrelle, well known for his racist (!!!) and sexist (!!!!) remarks, as well as his historic child rape apologia (!!!!!)”

Yep, white is black and up is down. Welcome to the manuresphere. Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

@Olive O’Sudden:

‘MRA-adjacent’ sounds like the worst possible adjective you could see in a real estate listing

LOL

And it looks something like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Rk2Z0TfdVY/UQhTDrd0EpI/AAAAAAAAAAs/N5Qf2z7Y4oQ/s1600/article-0-1739E796000005DC-682_634x648.jpg

katz
9 years ago

Katz, did you mean to link to this? That’s another link to the Mad Misandry .gif.

Oops, yes, I did mean to link to that.

Nameless Wonder
Nameless Wonder
9 years ago

Thanks katz and lowquacks :o)

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

It’s all a bit like a horrible racist arguing that he isn’t a horrible racist because he only posts on Stormfront and ChimpOut, not [N-word]Mania. (Well, sometimes [N-word]Mania.)

katz
9 years ago

(Our welcome package is not just a gif of Charlize Theron punching Tom Hardy, although maybe it should be.)

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

@WWTH:

That Jezebel parody is side-splitting funny — and so on point.

GEORGE MILLER BASICALLY KILLED MY DOG IN FRONT OF ME.

TOM HARDY HAS BETRAYED ME.

CHARLIZE THERON HAS MENSTRUATED ALL OVER MY MASCULINITY.

WOMEN ARE SO EMOTIONAL AND UNSTABLE. (punches wall, like, totally out of nowhere)

lmao

Moocow
Moocow
9 years ago

@katz

Maybe a free copy of Mad Max could be added to the Welcome Package?

proxieme
proxieme
9 years ago

I’ll second (third?) appreciation for Lea’s coversion ectasy explanation.
it really does illuminate quote a bit.

proxieme
proxieme
9 years ago

*sigh*

IT really does illuminate QUITE a bit.

*puts down phone*

*goes to boil water for French press*

spacelawn
9 years ago

Isn’t this Dean actually admitting that he’s a MRA with this?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

… Wait a minute. “Interpersonal violence”? As opposed to what, that scene in Fight Club where Edward Norton beats himself up?

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

@space
You mean he didn’t before? How can you be a major writer for AVFM and not be an MRA??

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

bowman ‏@BowmanBowman211 8 hours ago

@AVoiceForMen please spread our new hashtag #futrellopath to bash david futrelle

This really has spread like wildfire as, uh, four people have used it as an opportunity to make clunky fat jokes and establish how much they dislike feminism and David. Two people, presumably friendly with David, have made jokes about this hashtag. So six people have caught on to twitter’s next big hashtag, seven if you count David. Feel the buzz.

Bob Lorincz ‏@Bobcat665 6 hours ago

If you’re a fat, ugly, deceitful tub of shit who can’t keep your mouth shut about critics of feminism, you just might be a #Futrellopath

Master Dickson ‏@masterdickson 7 hours ago

Would you fap to torture porn, but you can’t find your dick in your folds of fat? You’re on the #Futrellopath

Can a funny MRA show up for once? It would be a nice change of pace. That last tweet is barely coherent, it’s a weirdly specific fat joke that sort of stumbles into a pun.

Spindrift
Spindrift
9 years ago

@brooked “Can a funny MRA show up for once?”

Such a creature would have to exist first. So far I’ve only seen them manage to be funny unintentionally.

Sarity
Sarity
9 years ago

If you’re a fat, ugly, deceitful tub of shit who can’t keep your mouth shut about critics of feminism, you just might be a #Futrellopath

Waaah! Never criticize critics of femunizzim! Feminists are hypocrites who don’t understand that NOBODY is above criticism. But keep your mouth shut about us!

badgersdaughter
badgersdaughter
9 years ago

I don’t know about feminist morays, but I found a Moray feminist: http://www.tsimoray.org.uk/#!jointhedots/c23po 😀