Here’s what is unquestionably the Red Pill Quote of the Day. Well, to be perfectly honest, of two days ago, but I only saw it just now. It comes courtesy of the FeMRADebates subreddit.
H/T — TheBluePill
“I wonder if there’s a single person writing on ‘toxic masculinity’ who could out deadlift a certified alpha,” Red Piller wonders
Does anybody know what health classes are doing to sex and marijuana? I can only think of “providing education about,” and I can imagine these guys hate all things educational and informative, but I don’t believe that’s what they mean.
Hey, David! I read a book where you were referenced! (Uh, it was only one out of a hundred pages of footnotes, but still, YOU WERE REFERENCED.)
RE: Lea
I just saw Machete last night! It was way more awesome than I expected to be. Good choice in motivation role models.
@LBT Wow, what book is that?
Also, I saw a hilarious renfaire interpretation of “Do you even lift, Bro?”. ” Dost though hoist perchance, good sir?” Thinking of that changes how seriously I can take people who think lifting is life.
The guy goes by the name “GayLubeOil.” Clearly, he is just oh so clever. One of the great thinkers of our time. /sarcasm
@Tessa
I think “misinforming” is the word they were looking for put couldn’t figure out because it’s four syllables. I know D.A.R.E. is still around telling kids marijuana is a gateway drug and the devil and shit.
@fruitloopsie,
I don’t know why he thinks that misogynists aren’t already hurting and killing women, mostly because those women have vaginas and won’t give those cishet men access to those vaginas. (Somehow, I doubt that he’s acknowledging that trans women are even more likely to experience male violence.) Still, I do know that if they wanted an example of a positive redpillock and they picked GayLubeOil, that speaks pretty badly about the state of TRP reddit.
RE: opium4themasses
@LBT Wow, what book is that?
It’s the Witch-Hunt Narrative, by Ross E. Cheit. It’s a 500-page bookslab about distortions and fabrications around the idea of child sex abuse being a witch-hunt. It is a hell of a slog, but actually might be interesting to the folks here, because a LOT of the old MRA talking points about false accusations date back to these myths.
It does seem like a lot of red pillers claim to be paleo dieting cross fitter types. There’s every chance they’re full of shit. But if they’re telling the truth, it doesn’t convince me of their superiority, it just justifies my preference for slightly skinny or pudgy guys over super buff guys.
If any diet requires I give up things like bread and dairy, it is not the diet for me.
LBT (& Rogan, it seems?), thank you for the recommendation. I will definitely have to read this book, because it’s very different from the story I grew up with, but it sounds plausible. If there was more the the seemingly-discredited cases from the 80s and 90s, I want to hear about it.
I’m raising my eyebrows at the title though, because I’ve been told that the child abuse panic included a literal witch hunt, in that people started looking for actual witchcraft and satanism. I’m completely prepared to believe that the “satanic panic” has distracted from other important things that happened during that time period, but framing it this way feels insensitive to those victims.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Still trying to figure out why being strong, pursuing one’s own interests, valuing oneself, acting as an individual, not giving time or happiness away for free, and requiring that people add value to one’s life in order to be in it ARE RESERVED FOR MEN.
Why is he called gaylubeoil? He seems invested in heterosexuality.
RE: Orion
The book SPECIFICALLY takes on the cases of the 80s and 90s. That is, in fact, it’s primary reason for existing; it was originally intended to be a rebuttal to Satan’s Silence, from 1995, but the sheer amount of research required took almost twenty years. Cheit takes his research SERIOUS.
I’ve been told that the child abuse panic included a literal witch hunt, in that people started looking for actual witchcraft and satanism.
It’s complicated. Basically, there were a few isolated incidences of overreaction… which then blew up into this MYTHOS that everyone was on an actual witch-hunt. Everyone’s “been told,” but there’s actually precious little hard data to actually back it up! A lot of things that people CLAIM are fantastic details aren’t actually fantastic at all. (For example: events in the basement; forced oral sex. Those happen in ordinary sexual abuse cases, and have nothing to do with satanism or witchcraft, but the people who formed the narrative acted like they were.)
There is SOME overreaction, yes… but mostly, they are isolated pockets in a sea of underreaction. And people USED those incidences of overreaction to encourage continued underreaction.
I got my hands on this book because Debbie Nathan, who wrote Satan’s Silence, also wrote Sybil Exposed, and I found she has an antagonistic relationship with facts. This book was everything I wish I’d had fifteen, twenty years ago, but it is NOT a fun read.
@Orion
I remember the satanic ritual abuse panic in the late 80s. It’s pretty much bullshit. It was a massive moral panic and there was never any evidence or any logic to the idea.
That’s not to say that no children were ever abused, however. The satanic ritual abuse panic came out of poor interviewing techniques, and an effort to “other” child abuse. Child abuse couldn’t possibly be done by ordinary upstanding citizens; it had to be satanists!
Most of the moral panics seemed to originate with one child, or a few children, who probably did suffer some kind of abuse. The adults would then spin out this elaborate story about satanic cults and pressure both those children and other, non-abused children to corroborate the cult story. It did a disservice to both the innocent adults who got caught up in the dragnet, and to the children who had suffered abuse when the non-innocent adults wound up going free because the satanic cult story was so obviously false.
Social capital? What is that?
RE: Policy of Madness
Yeah, there was never a widespread network of cults or pedophiles working to abuse children. That, far as we know, isn’t a thing.
However, there wasn’t even that huge a panic over it. Again, it was a few instances of overreaction, drowning in a sea of UNDERreaction to child abuse. And ritualistic behavior in abuse actually is a thing–it’s just often not actually SATANISM. Also, how people DEFINE ‘ritual abuse’ tends to be… uh, not very scientific. I mean, by some of the standards, WE would’ve been ritually abused, and we were not.
Here is a short article by Cheit about the whole Satanic ritual abuse thing. You might recognize a name; I KNOW Christina Hoff Summers has been snarked here before!
More a voice for men memes. There is one with a man with a black eye has comments on the bottom suggesting ideas how to deal with abusive women: murder them.
fruitloopsie,
When you consider what MRAs think of as abuse from women, that’s scary. “Divorce rape”, “Date fraud” that is supposed to be the equivalent of date raping a man by not fucking him after he’s buys dinner, making “false” allegations of abuse etc. They really hope to incite men to murder women. I hope the FBI is keeping tabs on them, but I doubt they are.
That’s misandry women/girls not being slaves, not obeying them, calling them out, etc. I reported to Facebook but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Ah, Satanic Panic. I actually met a social worker who believed in it once.
Thankfully, only once. That I know of. 🙁
But this is the kind of place where people used to think role playing games caused demon possession. At one point I remember some stores refused to carry Count Chocula cereal lest it lead children into the occult. In the 90’s there were still preachers who believed subliminal backmasking lead to teen suicide and that the Eagles were secret Satanists. Meanwhile at church we were singing “Washed in the Blood”. Talk about your mixed messages.
It was on national news. There were weeks of news stories about these satanic cult cases. I remember there was a warehouse near the edge of town, and all of the kids in my (very small) town believed that that was where the satanic cult did their thing in our town.
I don’t really know how that can’t be classified as a “huge panic.”
Some of the details of these stories were just ludicrous. 10 year old girls being forcibly impregnated, forced to give birth, and then their babies being sacrificed to Satan was … not a claim that makes sexual abuse seem more plausible. When irresponsible interviewers wove these kinds of details around very plausible stories of abuse, they sabotaged any hope of that abuse being prosecuted.
RE: Policy of Madness
When irresponsible interviewers wove these kinds of details around very plausible stories of abuse, they sabotaged any hope of that abuse being prosecuted.
Aaargh, this is getting hard to explain. The media made a big deal about it, yes. People believed it, yes. It caused some bullshit trials and accusations, yes. But also, often, people were very misleading about these accusations HAPPENING. The interviewers fucked up, definitely! But people also blew up their screw ups out of proportion.
I’m going to use the Frank Fuster case as an example, because this is hard. (Warning to folks: it’s got child abuse shit in it.) People sometimes paint it as a “Satanic panic” thing because there were accusations that Fuster, in his illegal home daycare, frightened children with masks, used a dead bird to frighten the kids, and had a fascination with shit. Absurd, right?
Also sadly true. He DID do all those things. They found the masks at his house. They found family photos he’d taken and hidden in his mattress of his young son raising the skirt of a young woman, her underwear stained with feces or blood. There was another picture of his son crouching terrified in the bathroom with shit smeared everywhere. It was PROVEN that he did these absurd things.
Nowadays, people claim that the children made stupid claims about riding sharks and eating other people’s heads. Absurd, right? Yes. Untrue, right? Yes. But the kids NEVER MADE THOSE ACCUSATIONS. The shark riding reference was a kid discussing a nature program on TV, not anything abusive. There was no eating of anyone’s heads every claimed anywhere in the interviews!
There was no ritual or Satanic abuse in the Fuster case. But there was sexual abuse.
I’m not saying there weren’t fuck ups and moral panic. I’m saying that people in the media and as activists exaggerated how deep that panic and fucked-uppery WENT to advance their own causes.
I don’t remember anything about riding sharks. It was mostly about organized cults meeting in school basements and warehouses to sacrifice babies to Satan … and oh, by the way, sexual abuse of kids was in there somewhere. And I don’t think the kids made up anything. It was the adult interviewers making up stupid shit and pressuring the kids to go along with it, because they couldn’t believe/didn’t want to believe that ordinary-looking human beings could sexually abuse kids. They had to believe that Satan literally made them do it.
Unfortunately, when the media exaggerates a panic, it doesn’t remain an exaggeration for long. It becomes a real panic, just as big and widespread as the media originally claimed it was.
Hey Dave, ROK just publish a article saying that women who support gay marriage should be avoided and that gay marriage is destroying fatherhood
http://www.returnofkings.com/63801/avoid-women-who-support-gay-marriage
just giving you ideas for your next post 🙂
I like how all the ‘positive’ aspects of Red Pill masculinity are displayed by exactly zero red-pillers.
Well except demanding that people ‘add value to their lives’ while offering nothing in exchange, which seems to be the common trait of all of them.