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Canadian MRA Dan Perrins launches hunger strike, demands the arrest of those who’ve “libelled” him UPDATED

Dan Perrins on Day 4 of his hunger strike
Dan Perrins on Day 4 of his hunger strike

UPDATE 5/16: Perrins has called off his hunger strike. Here’s his explanation

Dan Perrins, a famously confrontational Canadian Men’s Rights Activist and staunch supporter of A Voice for Men,  has launched a hunger strike outside the Queen’s Park Legislative Assembly in Toronto. As of this writing, he’s on his fifth day, taking in, he says, nothing but liquids.

What does he want? Surprisingly, that’s not an easy question to answer. Perrins’ demands are vague and grandiose — and probably impossible for the Ontario government to meet — and he has not set any specific conditions that would need to be met in order for him to end the hunger strike.

This seems, at the very least, reckless. A hunger strike is a very serious thing.

The idea of the hunger strike came to Perrins, as he explained in a video discussion with AVFM head man Paul Elam, while he was in the midst of a 75-mile walk across Ontario that was supposed to raise awareness about male suicide and mental health issues.

Not altogether happy with the diffident reception his walk had gotten from police and government officials in some of the cities he passed through, he decided to launch the hunger strike when he finished up his walk in Toronto. It was clearly not very carefully planned. Neither Perrins nor his supporters at AVFM seem to have consulted medical professionals and (at least at the time of Perrins’ last video update) no one from the group is there to monitor his well-being, which seems to me unconscionable.

And then there is the question of his demands, which even Perrins’ supporters at AVFM have had a hard time figuring out. In a post announcing the start of Perrins’ protest, AVFM’s Dean Esmay wrote that

Dan has already delivered his demands at the footsteps of the Queen’s Park Legislative Assembly, who at first refused to even accept his demands for review. After some discussion they reversed and accepted the documents.

But the document Perrins handed over — or at least the document that Esmay linked to — wasn’t a list of demands. It was a muddled manifesto titled “Men’s Rights March 2013 Internet Statement,” ending with a laundry list of goals for the Men’s Rights movement including “[d]evelopment and availability of a male fertility control device, drug or method that is safe, affordable, effective and reversible” and a call to “[f]oster the emergence of a new cultural narrative where all men and women are encouraged to live their lives as they see fit, without preferential treatment, while also being expected to bear the responsibility for their personal choices.”

Perrins then explained that these were not his demands at all. In a comment left under Esmay’s post, he wrote

dandemands

Yes, one of his demands is that those who’ve “libelled” MRAs like himself be arrested and brought before a criminal court.

The first demand is not only so vague as to be almost meaningless — what is “full funding,” how quickly would the government need to provide it?  But it also would require the government to do several impossible things.

Ontario’s premier Kathleen Wynne — as far as I can figure it, she’s the person Perrins expects to respond to his demands — cannot dramatically alter hundreds of millions of dollars of government spending with some dramatic proclamation in order to appease a man on a hunger strike. Or for any other reason; that’s not how government works.

Even if Wynne could suddenly produce “full funding for men’s DV shelters” out of a hat, where exactly would this money go? Domestic violence shelters don’t grow like flowers after you sprinkle the requisite amount of money on the ground. They have to be built, by devoted activists prepared to raise a lot of the money on their own, and prepared as well to deal with endless obstacles and opposition along the way.

The only reason we have DV shelters at all is because feminist activists built them, starting in a time when there was precisely zero government money to help them and a lot of public hostility towards even the idea of them.

Like a lot of Men’s Rights activists, Perrins seems to want a duplicate version of the network of DV shelters that feminist activists have worked for and fought for over the course of many decades to be simply bestowed upon MRAs by government fiat.

Instead of banding together in a serious attempt to build the DV shelters they think should be theirs by right, MRAs have largely devoted their energy to attacking DV shelters for women — including some that actually offer services and shelter (usually in the form of hotel vouchers) to men. Indeed, in his online discussions with Elam, Perrins seems as angry about the money women’s shelters are getting than he does about the lack of money going to non-existent men’s shelters, complaining several times about what he sees as excessive spending by shelters to provide beds for women.

Frankly, Perrins seems a good deal more invested in his second demand: that those who libel “non-feminists” be arrested and criminally charged.

This is not quite as bizarre a demand as it sounds: in addition to having extremely plaintiff-friendly civil libel laws, Canada also has criminal laws against “defamatory libel.” But, as Ontario’s Law Times reports, “[c]riminal charges for defamatory libel are rare in Canada.”

Further, according to one expert the Law Times spoke to,

[t]he line between what constitutes criminal libel and what constitutes the more commonly used civil libel is often blurred, and there’s doubt as to whether these criminal provisions are constitutional in the face of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms … .

Indeed, the Law Times notes, s. 301 of the Criminal Code — under which “anyone who publishes a defamatory libel is guilty of an indictable offence and can be imprisoned for up to two years” — has already been declared unconstitutional in four Canadian provinces, including Ontario, where Perrins is conducting his hunger strike.

Under section 300 of the Code, Canadians in these provinces can, at least theoretically, still be charged with criminal libel, but only if they know what they are publishing is false.

Perrins, for his part, claims he’s been libelled by Canada’s Sharp magazine, by GQ, and by other publications. He’s evidently angry at Sharp’s Alex Nino Gheciu for saying that

Perrins wrote a hateful missive against [a feminist activist], labelling her “Little Red Frothing Fornication Mouth” and posted her pictures and personal information online.

Well, Perrins did indeed write a hateful AVFM post attacking the activist in question, in which he called her “Little Red Frothing Fornication Mouth.” The post was accompanied by a drawing of the woman. But, as far as I know, Perrins did not himself post her personal information online, though it’s possible, I suppose, that the folks at Sharp know something I don’t.

Perrins seems angrier still at writer Jeff Sharlet, who, in his highly unflattering GQ account of AVFM’s summer 2014 conference, wrote that Perrins claimed to have taken the infamous red pill of Men’s Rightshood on

the day he ended up in jail, after he says he lodged a complaint against his ex, the beginning of a legal battle that led him to a hunger strike. “I should have killed the bitch five years ago,” he tells me. “I’d be out by now.” 

Unless Sharlet simply made up the quote, and GQ’s factcheckers let it stand, I’m not exactly sure how this would count as “defamatory libel.” It’s not libellous to quote what someone has said to you.

Sharlet lives in the United States, where Canadian law (as you might imagine) does not apply. But never mind; Perrins (and Elam) want there to be an arrest warrant waiting for him in case he ever crosses the border into Canada.

In one of his discussions with Elam, Perrins also goes on at length, and with considerable anger, about the alleged evils of the Southern Poverty Law Center; Elam reminds him that there isn’t much the Canadian government can do about the American organization either.

It’s not exactly clear to me what Perrins expects the Ontario government to do about any of this alleged libel. The Premier of Ontario cannot order the Canadian police to arrest all of those whom Perrins thinks have defamed him, nor would anyone with any sense want politicians to have this power.

It’s also not clear why Perrins doesn’t simply sue for libel in civil court instead of going on a hunger strike to compel the Ontario government to do things it cannot actually do.

In his discussions with Elam, Perrins talks a lot about how his life isn’t worth any more than that of the Canadian men who commit suicide every day; he also says that if he ends up in the hospital he wants a Do Not Resuscitate order enforced.

It’s hard not to worry that Perrins’ hunger strike — evidently launched without medical consultation and with vague and impossible demands that it’s not clear he’s even presented to government officials — is in fact a form of slow-motion suicide, a bid for Men’s Rights martyrdom.

Those who are encouraging him in this hunger strike are, I think, playing a very dangerous game.

EDIT: I added a reference to the specific section of the criminal code that is still considered constitutional in all Canadian provinces.

EDIT 2: A May 14 post by “Solaris” on AntiMisandry.com, a long-running message board that Perrins now runs, claims these are Perrins’ demands:

Dan has stated that he will end his hunger strike when assurances are made that men in Ontario will receive equal funding for domestic violence shelters as women, and when the Director for Public Prosecutions commits to launching appropriate criminal investigations under Section 300 of the Criminal Code against those libelling MRAs for their support of men’s rights.

Of course, even these slightly more specific demands would be impossible for the Ontario government to fulfill.

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Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

I’ve banned Pelagic.

*follows up the Shut Up, Pelagic dance with the Three Cheers For The Dark Lord dance*

Steph
Steph
9 years ago

I hope that he swallows his pride and doesn’t go ahead with this hunger strike. It could kill him. I wouldn’t have a problem with MRAs if they actually showed a vested interest in building DV shelters for men. Like, if all that money they gave to Elam for conferences or just random money went towards DV shelters, they probably could have build some by now. As Elam says though, he has no interest in lobbying the government nor is he interested in building men’s shelters. I don’t understand. If they want this to exist so badly why don’t they build them? Elam raised like 10k and I can’t even remember what for. Surely running the site isn’t that expensive. If that 10k went towards men’s shelters along with all the other funding I am sure they could have built at least one by now. Not to mention more people would donate because they would see actual results.

sunnysombrera
9 years ago

I have a feeling that if he was so knee-jerk reactive to being named and shamed in a magazine that he’d go on a hunger strike, he’ll quit when it starts to get really really difficult. He clearly makes decisions based on emotion and doesn’t seem to tolerate challenges well.

Lea
Lea
9 years ago

Adam,
His womb is moving around in his body? How odd.
As I mentioned, suffragettes went on hunger strikes as have prisoners in Gitmo, Gandhi, etc. Learn your history before you pronounce judgment. Also, get yourself a little humanity.

isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

Adam, that’s disgusting.

Ellesar
Ellesar
9 years ago

Is there a real need for DV shelters for men in Canada? This man is preparing to die for a cause (very ill thought out), but has presented no evidence of demand for this particular service.

I read an academic paper (UK based) that found that the one shelter for men in Britain was closed due to lack of use – men just were not desperately seeking that way out and had the resources to find different ways out of the situation. Surely a shelter is a ‘nowhere else to go’ option?

Berdache in a previous lifetime

So, hasn’t been any update about the strike since the 11th, is that simply incompetence on the part of AVFM or has he given up?

snootierFox
9 years ago

I think the real problem here is a serious inability to think things though…which is a problem MRAs across the board seem to really struggle with.

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Is Adam a Pelagic sock?

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

Bryce | May 13, 2015 at 11:56 pm
Be nice if there were a way to support DV shelters for men without supporting the MRM in the process.

Well, considering most of them don’t give two flying fucks about DV shelters for men because they just want something to whine about, I think it’s pretty easy.

And you know how they distance themselves from anything feminists touch because it’s been infected by the “Ess-Jay-Dubbyas” and the “feeemales”.

Adam Pack
9 years ago
Reply to  David Futrelle

Fair enough, I was being a bit stroppy. Sorry about that.

Adam Pack
9 years ago

Sorry to be a pain, but ‘pelagic’? Isn’t that something to do with the sea? I assume it’s either a pun or a reference I’m not getting, so I’m fully prepared to look like an idiot once I know. Thanks.

IWorkInADVShelterAMA
IWorkInADVShelterAMA
9 years ago

For those considering supporting DV shelters for men:

I work in a DV shelter in the US, and you should know that any shelter getting funding through VAWA actually has to offer substantially similar services to people no matter their gender. Some have separate facilities, some have agreements with local hotels, and some, like mine, just house men on-site like we house the women.

Now, we don’t get a lot of men asking for housing, but if we did we’d take them. And we’ve always been happy to provide non-residential services to men, including legal advocacy, in-person and over-the-phone crisis intervention, and case management.

Anything that’s fully privately funded (some church-based shelters, for examples) can obviously take whoever they want, pretty much, but there’s nothing we can do about that. But if it’s secular, it’s probably getting money through VAWA, and like I said…

So next time you’re wondering where men can go for help: it’s probably the same damn place the women do.

rugbyyogi
9 years ago

@IworkinaDVshelter – that’s really interesting. And if MRA were really interested in men’s welfare they would help men (in America) take advantage of VAWA funded services if they were in need. They would encourage men to seek help, which might not be of the DV shelter variety, but might be other means of victim support. It’s hard enough even now for women to admit to themselves that they’re in a DV situation, with all the ‘alpha’ shit -the MRA make it even harder for men to admit that they’re the victims of abuse. They’re sustaining the culture of abuse – by men against women and ironically by women against men.

Catalpa
Catalpa
9 years ago

Like most of the causes that MRAs wine about, they have little to no interest whatsoever in actually addressing the issue. They only bring it up in order to derail feminist discussions and activism.

Catalpa
Catalpa
9 years ago

That’s not to say that some of the causes they claim to champion aren’t genuine issues that people face, just that the MRAs have no intention of doing anything other than using victimized men as a beating stick against feminism.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

Adam Pack | May 14, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Sorry to be a pain, but ‘pelagic’? Isn’t that something to do with the sea? I assume it’s either a pun or a reference I’m not getting, so I’m fully prepared to look like an idiot once I know. Thanks.

Pelagic was a half-assed troll who kept coming in here trying to get people to agree with xie’s strawpeople arguments, and none of us were falling for it. Xie was hanging around for at least a few weeks now.

Every once in a while we get one of the tedious fuckers who likes to dance the line between “person” and “troll” and they usually slip up eventually.

And Pelagic just did on this thread.

Adam Pack
9 years ago

Ah, thanks. No, I’m not Pelagic. I was just being a regular asshole (thankfully Mr Futrelle deleted my stupid comment so it wasn’t too shameful).

sunnysombrera
9 years ago

@Catalpa
Yup. Elam gave the game away when he wrote that post advising men who are being hit by their partners to basically beat the living daylights out of her. From what I know of of his other words on DV, he will label something as small as a defensive push as “abuse”, even if the male is the general aggressor :/.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

And if MRA were really interested in men’s welfare they would help men (in America) take advantage of VAWA funded services if they were in need.

Ah, but you see “Violence Against Women Act” has the word “Women” in it and therefore MISANDRY COOTIES.

… I wish that was sarcasm and not what MRAs literally believe, but oh well.

Stephanie
Stephanie
9 years ago

I’m on board with demand #1, full funding for ALL domestic abuse survivors. You know, because I’m a feminist. Not one of those MRAs– who rally around idiots who proudly proclaim they’d rather see no money whatsoever to help male domestic violence victims if none of it goes towards anti-feminism.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
9 years ago

So, is there any news about this guy? Is he OK?

I despise everything he stands for but I don’t want him to starve himself to death. Especially not over bullshit.

.

@IWorkInADVShelterAMA — Are there problems with admitting men to DV shelters designated for women? I’m wondering specifically about the possibility of stalkers entering shelters on spurious grounds in order to find the women who’ve left them.

Bina
9 years ago

So next time you’re wondering where men can go for help: it’s probably the same damn place the women do.

…which makes it even more ironic that these guys waste sooooo much time carping and kvetching about the funding women’s shelters receive, while at the same time NOT actually raising funds for and setting up their own damn men’s shelters.

One almost gets the feeling that they really don’t have ANY “compassion for men and boys”, contradicting their slogan.

(Not to mention that this is as much confirmation as anyone needs that everything they say and do is motivated by pure misogyny and spite for anything at all to do with improving the lot of women.)

Anenome
Anenome
9 years ago

He’s called his hunger strike off.

None of his demands were met.

It’s just absolutely laughable.