Pickup artist “Heartiste” seems to think the notion of “playing hard to get” was his idea in the first place

Ha! Ninja’d by Flora. Serves me right for not refreshing the comments.

Oh gawd, that Twitter conversation slayed me.

And that’s why they hate you, David. If there’s one thing narcissistic assholes can’t stand, it’s being laughed at by people who are demonstrably smarter and funnier than they can dream of being.

The concept behind the “sexual market value” goes back at least to 1996. In the May 1996 issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, there was a paper that, in the course of analyzing the uptick in out-of-wedlock births, frames sex as an economic transaction between men (who provide money that women want in order to securely raise children) and women (who provide sex that men want). The terms “sexual marketplace” or “sexual market value” are not used, but anyone with any sense can read it and see that what the article talks about is a market model of sex. It does talk about “game,” though … game theory, that is.

I reckon Heartiste needed to make sure that concept had properly aged before he jumped the bandwagon, like fine cheese or whine.

Either that, or he read a dumbed-down account of it in some bizmedia rag, and promptly decided to dumb it even further down, and put his own dime-store psychological spin on it so that other suckers — er, pickup artistes — would buy what most of us have the good sense to snort derisively at and put back on the shelf.

Which, come to think of it, is where HE belongs, too.

Talk about entering a battle of wits unarmed. You slay me, David. These dorks really do not know what to do with you. They are so accustomed to their fellow fragile man-babies that they are utterly flummoxed as to how to respond to you. “You’re fat!” really is the hardest punch they can throw and my cat’s little powder puff paws could strike a more palpable blow.

As a result of this on air confrontation, one of the sexist troglodytes lost his job.

Yay! And about time something like that happened. Maybe now, random bozos will think twice before mike-jacking a working reporter in the field.

I just saw in the teaser for The Nightly Show that George Zimmerman got shot at during a road rage incident. The glass window of his car broke and hurt his face when the bullet passed through.

The guy involved, Apperson, says that Zimmerman was waving a gun in his face first and shot in self defense. Apparently, Apperson called 911 on Zimmerman twice for threatening behavior and had a littler verbal altercation with him.

http://i.giphy.com/iaBiPW3vAOi0E.gif

Zimmerman’s been in a lot of shit with the cops and stuff, especially as of late. He’s a very nasty human being and he’s reaping what he’s sown.

Though, I hope he reaps it before he murders some other poor child.

Another poor child you mean. >:(

Everytime I read Heartiste’s posts, I read them in Ricardio from Adventure Time’s voice.

@Mikki

He was voiced by George Takei.

You should not be imagining George Takei voice as his.

Re George Zimmerman’s latest bullshit–here’s some schadenfreudelicious hilarity:

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2015/05/george-zimmerman-shot-face.html

@Bina, yes I was wondering why the sirens were all in uniform. And why is one of them biting his knee? To show that dacron is nibble proof?

That image is actually pretty disturbing, judging by how miserable the guy looks I’d say those girls need to be pulled up on their boundary issues.

I just read up on that incident with the reporter in Toronto, good for her for going after them and showing how utterly mindless their actions were. Of course now someone’s gotten fired over this the manosphere will be hailing him as a martyr to freeze peach.

Alan Robertshaw:

It may well have that meaning elsewhere over your side of the pond. Over here it originally meant ‘pimp’ or any man who essentially mooched off of women. It’s still sometimes used with that connotation e.g if a bloke won’t get a job “You still poncing off your girlfriend?” etc.

Also “can I ponce a fag?”, which means “could I trouble you for a cigarette?”

@ Moggie

Of course! You know, I hear that so often it doesn’t even register [usually the ‘bit of baccy’ variant]

How does the term Sexual Market even exist? Having a calculator for it is even more disturbing. I need to go and look at kittens….

men should wear a T-shirt. That is, a shirt with a giant letter T on it. Apparently, according to some study from researchers at Nottingham Trent University that I’m not going to bother to read, women find men with giant T’s on their shirts “12% more attractive,” because the T creates the illusion of broader shoulders and a thinner waist.

Does this mean that if I wear a shirt with a giant picture of a Dorito on it, people will mistake me for Chris Evans?

Here you go, Naomi-and everyone 🙂
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140614000321/clubpenguinpookie/images/d/d0/Extremely-cute-kitten_large.jpg

U r fat. There4 I win.

@Bina, yes I was wondering why the sirens were all in uniform. And why is one of them biting his knee? To show that dacron is nibble proof?

That image is actually pretty disturbing, judging by how miserable the guy looks I’d say those girls need to be pulled up on their boundary issues.

I’m guessing he’s miserable because synthetic fibres don’t breathe, and he’s sitting in a pool of his own butt-sweat. And because he thinks this whole he-man-in-polyester thing is ridiculous.

Harris Dacron slacks — for when you absolutely, positively have to deny her your vital essence.

(Is that three women or one woman composited in three times?)

@Falconer:

I’m actually going to say that it’s the same woman composited three times. All three ladies look so darned similar that it’s difficult for me to imagine that they’re not the same. I mean, it’s possible that they just used triplets, but my Occam’s Razor sense is pointing towards photo editing.

Also, am I the only one thinking of the whole “precious bodily fluids” rant from Dr. Strangelove?

@monzach — that’s what I was thinking about, except somehow I got “vital essence” instead of “precious bodily fluids”!

@Falconer:

“You can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!” My absolute favourite quote from that film. xD

Also, I just love your Cary Grant avatar pic.

I can imagine the reaction of the guy when the photographer told him what was up.

But, I took another look at the photo, and I don’t think it’s ‘shopped. I think it’s three girls who might all just look alike. My Graphic Design Sense isn’t tingling. : /

The girl at the guy’s left shoulder has slightly longer hair than the girl sitting at his feet, and while they’re all wearing the same outfit, I’m pretty sure their eyes are slightly different as well.

‘Course, I could be wrong. It’s happened before.

(Also, side note: I was playing a visual novel last night, and they take careful pains to not mention any product by name to avoid being sued or the like, and one character was taking photos of the protag, and said “I wish I could Illustrashop them!” because the protag has a huge scar that he got from protecting this girl years ago who years later brought him to this all-girls school to attend as a test so she can vouch for co-ed to save the school from bankruptcy, yadda yadda yadda.

I had a little laugh at the portmanteau of “Illustrator” and “Photoshop”, my favorite Adobe programs to work with.

As for the game: The story’s good, but the game itself is very lacking in action for my taste. It’s mostly just “Keep tapping the space bar until you get to one of four choices you can make through the entire game”, and I need my visual novels to have more choice than that.

But, still, it wasn’t too bad.)

I think Dacron Guy is miserable because he wants women to be attracted to him for his personality, not his static electricity.

ps there’s no logic that says a term can’t be independently created.

Actually, yes there is. As a linguist, I can tell you that when we hear what we think is a new term, we study it in various ways (including google, a fantastic new linguistic tool in so many ways) to find out where and when it actually came from, and attribute the term to whoever is found in any records to have used it first.

Heartiste apparently doesn’t know that a term doesn’t become new just because he’s never heard it before.

@Yutolia:

A fellow linguist! *high five*

I’m fascinated by the way new words can be coined in such various ways. Like for example the way the word “quiz” got added just through a guy in Dublin, Ireland, betting his friends that he could add a word to the dictionary, and then pasting notices all over town asking people what the word “quiz” meant. Nowadays more rigourous testing is applied, of course. CH probably just thinks that he is such an important person on the Internet that the OED should acknowledge him as the first cause of all modern vocabulary, especially the ones that relate to the “science” of The Game.

Nonono, you’re all wrong! Dacron Guy isn’t miserable at all; he’s just so alpha that he’s able to neg all three of the winsome young models at once and it’s SO working!

@Monzach:

Yay!!! *strikes and misses the high five like she always does :))

Yes, I agree – he is definitely one of these people that thinks something’s only important after he’s somehow involved in it.

That guy was really mean but your tweets and responses were simply brilliant.

‘Egomaniacal mediocrity’ – I will be stealing this, @David!

Yutalia, my students taught me the trick: keep your eyes on the elbow, and you’ll make good contact. It seems to be true.

And I do find this blog interesting and useful, but man, it makes me sad sometimes. This “heartiste” guy is just so pitiful.

I think Dacron Guy is miserable because he wants women to be attracted to him for his personality, not his static electricity.>/blockquote>

Win!!!

Heartiste is sort of right about this. While the concept of romantic pairings as a “market” dates back at least to the work on the stable marriage problem in the 1950s, the actual term “Sexual Market Value” was developed on the old Usenet group soc.singles in the late 1990s or early 2000s, although it is unclear exactly who first used it. However, one of those who popularized it on soc.singles was a poster known as “Jackie The Tokeman”, who is either none other than Heartiste himself or is someone who has influenced Heartiste so strongly that they are virtually indistinguishable on most (but not all) topics. From soc.singles, the notion of SMV spread to the nascent PUA culture developing in usenet at that time (in groups such as alt.seduction.fast) and from there to the manosphere in general, with JTT/CH undoubtedly helping it along in various ways.

SMV is also widely misunderstood particularly by those who use it the most, who seem to regard it as some sort of unique numerical value that can be measured for each person like height (it’s not). However, there is a rigorous definition (derived from completely analogous results in labor economics) that maintains a coherent notion of “market value” and avoids that sort of reification fallacy.

great to see the name of jackie t tokeman resurface, as a useful search result at least. warms the cockles of my heart. hope he’s still writing in 2017 as well as he did at his best in the 90s, much of which i remember as being either true or beautiful most of the time. it’d be great if there were posted somewhere, a jack-built discography of his work, done under however many successive aliases, with the best stuff excerpted under one roof.com — (a house that only jack could build) . — and “incidentally” “Dude”, you forgot to mention An-day Oscny-may (in pig latin for safety), who if i’m not mistaken, was the Mitochondrial Adam of the SMV-manifesto line. render unto dan the things that are dan’s.

yours in christ,
yours in proust,
yours in klaus kinski,

cb

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Cbianco,

I liked your poast. I will be bold. His name was Mocsny. Daniel Mocsny. PBUH.

I too would love to see a compendium of Tokeman’s finest. Not the faded simulcra known as “Heartiste”.

Your brother in Christ,

Tupac Chopra