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Fat women oppress men by making them sad in their pants, Red Pillers complain

The Militant Baker, oppressing men. Click on the pic for her blog.
The Militant Baker, oppressing men. Click on the pic for her blog.

It isn’t just “game” guru and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh who thinks he’s being oppressed by the existence of women who aren’t model-thin.

Over on Vox Day’s Alpha Game blog, the regulars are up in arms about a Daily Mail story telling the story of a woman who conducted a little experiment on OKCupid, putting up two otherwise identical profiles — one featuring pictures of herself when she was thin, the other with pictures of herself after she gained some weight. The woman reported that the “fat” profile got half as many responses as the thin one.

Vox Day’s fans are outraged that the “fat” profile got any responses at all. “How she gets even one like is beyond me,” Yohami complained. Laguna Beach Fogey concurred, adding that “[w]e need more fat-shaming–not less.”

They also agreed with Vox that the woman in question wasn’t really thin in her thin pics.

So why do these guys care about this woman’s weight?

Because, as they see it, fat women oppress men by making them sad in their pants. Someone calling himself Retrenched explains:

The epidemic of obesity is also largely to blame for the sexual starvation of beta males. Fewer bangably attractive women = fewer satisfied men. Not to mention the effect that widespread obesity has on the egos of women who aren’t obese — an otherwise average looking woman who’s in shape can strut around like she’s a 9 when she’d be a 6 in a saner, less corpulent world.

Apparently women’s bodies don’t actually belong to women; they belong to men, who suffer endlessly when the women who happen to inhabit these bodies ruin them for men by gaining weight.

Yep. Women not only oppress these guys by giving them boners; they also oppress them by making boners wilt.

What’s worse, some of these women actually have the gall to think that they’re not unbangable fuggoes. “I like how they think men should just find land-whales attractive,” snorts John Black.

Cataline Sergius, meanwhile, is outraged that fat women won’t cover up their bodies so he won’t have to look at them.

I first noticed this trend around 2000.

Up until then, fat girls always wore voluminous, billowy clothing. Mu-mu type stuff, you know what I mean.

Then in 2000, they suddenly started wearing skin tight clothing. They indulged in that weird little early 00s fashion of wearing thongs visibly above waist line. Skin tight lycra shirts that magnified every gelatinous rippling lump, seemed to suddenly be a favorite. Bare jiggling, muffin top, midriffs with exposed navels became de rigour.

And this seemingly happened over night.

My first thought was that they had suddenly gotten to lazy to care how they looked. But that wouldn’t explain why they were following hot girl fashions.

Finally the truth came to me. The Special Little Snowflake Syndrome. These fat girls had suddenly decided that they had a right to be found attractive.

The horror!

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Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

TheLurker | May 3, 2015 at 11:19 pm
I read on the RedPill that apparently when women talk distastefully of a man, it’s because they recognize his “Alpha Male” aura and realize that because their “SMV” is much lower than his, so they try and discourage others from having relations with him.

http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/say-what/say-what17.gif

Just when I thought I couldn’t be surprised anymore by these assholes, I always find sub-basements in ye olde barrel.

Seriously. I had to read that a couple of times to make sure my brain did indeed translate that correctly from the screen to my reading comprehension.

So, when women talk shit about a man, that means she wants him regardless of what she says.

Though, they’re right on the money that when women talk shit about a man, it’s to prevent her friends from getting with that asshole.

Little do they and their peens realize, we’re not gonna fight over them. Sorry dudes, but porn lied to you.

Linax5
Linax5
5 years ago

peristyle:

The exact same men who sexually harass women are also the ones who shame ”non sexual” women by calling them ”’ugly fatties”….

katefall
katefall
5 years ago

The militant baker is gorgeous! I wish I looked so good. But between colitis, menopause, and Depro Provera, not to mention a sedentary job, the extra weight hangs on. Damn guys, if I were unemployed and off birth control, I’d look like a catch!!

Mikki
Mikki
5 years ago

Fat women oppress men by not being attractive, attractive women oppress men by not sleeping with them, sluts oppress men by sleeping with them, Cute puppies oppress me by not letting me pet them, they also oppress me when I can pet them because I can’t have pets where I live.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Sunnysombrera, he may have meant “de rigeur”; still clearly can’t French.

Ah, you’re right. I can’t French very well either, but at least I admit it.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Paradoxical
And we seem to be right back into “denial is evidence!” territory, but instead it’s “criticism is affirmation”.
“That woman is talking smack about me to her friends! I must be an amazing alpha sex god!”

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

It always boggles my mind when TeRPers, and those like them, rant and rage about how we need MORE fat shaming, because all these fat women think it’s awesome and empowering and easy to be fat. This is proof positive that they live entirely within their own fantasy world, and have never empathetically spoken to a fat woman IRL.

Even the most body-positive fat woman, who is totally comfortable in her own skin and knows that she looks amazing, runs into major hassles because of her size. Everything from clothing options (and price!), to unsolicited opinions from strangers about what she looks like and/or eats, to awful treatment from medical professionals, to the size of airplane and bus seats, to being bombarded with diet ads e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e, etc. etc.—being fat is absolutely not easy, and certainly not applauded, compared to being thin. You have to completely tune out of reality in order to not see how deeply and openly western society disdains fat people.

But I guess this is coming from the same general crowd who thinks Bruce Jenner is transitioning in order to cash in on that sweet, sweet feminine power, so reality is not exactly their strong suit.

Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

“Bare jiggling, muffin top, midriffs with exposed navels became de rigour” – honestly if you are going to try and use French at least get it right, it is ‘de rigeur’ – Rigour (BrE) or rigor (AmE) describes a condition of stiffness or strictness!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I read on the RedPill that apparently when women talk distastefully of a man, it’s because they recognize his “Alpha Male” aura and realize that because their “SMV” is much lower than his, so they try and discourage others from having relations with him.

Yes, and getting turned down for a job means you’re overqualified, and getting a D on a term paper means the professor is jealous of your brilliance. Uh huh. And that one woman who said “excuse me” as she stepped around you to get bread at the supermarket? She totally wanted you, even though she hit the wall 5 minutes ago, the pathetic desperate old slut.

It’s almost cute, this unshakeable belief they have that hateful assgoblins like themselves are the cream of humanity. Every loss, every failure, every “no”, gets twisted around to its opposite so that they can sail through life feeling like kings, with everyone else as their supplicant. They get so angry when anything threatens to overturn that feeling, such as overweight women being allowed to feel good about themselves, or women in general daring to tell them no, or choosing to sleep with other people.

Eventually, maybe, they’ll realize the world isn’t going to award them a first-place trophy just for existing. In the meantime, it’s funny as hell watching them craft their own trophies out of tin foil.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
5 years ago

How the hell does VD cope with a lot of the women in Western Art history that he praises so much tend to be… kinda fat? Like, the ideal C13th woman was round and stout, and the Georgian aristocracy would stuff their mouths with cork to make their cheeks look plump. Victorian gents would go hot under the collar for a glimpse of “dimpled flesh” – what we now call cellulite.

Even Venus tends to have a few rolls, and some well-rounded hips
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crouching_Venus

The waif-like look hasn’t always been the most predominantly desirable body type. In fact….. art has celebrated gorgeous women of all sizes for centuries.

http://the-toast.net/2015/02/10/women-inexpertly-groped-western-art-history/
(possibly not entirely sfw).

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

it’s funny as hell watching them craft their own trophies out of tin foil.

Not to mention their hats.

Pie
Pie
5 years ago

Aren’t all these guys into evopsych? I wonder if they’ve ever come across venus figurines. Presumably the mental conflict between ‘blaargh, the pleistocene set all social roles in stone in exactly the way I want them to be’ and ‘oh, paleolithic ladies might not have looked like raquel welch’ would cause their heads to explode.

Octo
Octo
5 years ago

No, there is no right to be found attractive. But then, neither is there a right to “sexual satisfaction”, much less to a certain beauty standard in other people. If someone is too ‘picky’, that isn’t other people’s fault.

AAAtheist
5 years ago

In related news, this is one of the best comebacks to attempted fat-shaming I’ve ever heard.  Even if it wasn’t specifically directed at the manosphere in question, it’s almost psychically relevant to that larger community (not to mention mainstream assholeishness).

In a soft voice, [she] said her initial reaction to the piece was “Really?”  She then asked, “Why would someone O.K. that?”

Taking the high road, [she] added, “I felt really bad for someone who is swimming in so much hate.  I just thought, that’s someone who’s in a really bad spot, and I am in such a happy spot.  I laugh my head off every day with my husband and my kids who are mooning me and singing me songs.”

Melissa McCarthy, for the win, for all time. Take that, MRAs and Rex Reed.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

Of course PUA’s don’t understand muumuus. They see them as shrouds of the unsightly, not the bastions of breeziness that they really are. If dude in the OP really did see feeemales of any size strolling in muumuus, I would guess that those women weren’t covering themselves in flower-printed sackcloth. They were just being comfy. What angrypants sadboner guy thought was a sign of contrition was actually a woman doing something for herself, which is of course MISANDRY. You were misandered, angry sadboner dude! And you didn’t even know it.

Muumuus are awesome. I own three of the blessed things. I shall don one today in honor of jerky dudes everywhere.

Nah, I’ll just wear one because it’s going to be hot.

Lynne Daniels
Lynne Daniels
5 years ago

lkeke35 wrote:

“I got a heads up about that too when I was very young. They have to hide their true faces from the girls they want something from. Basically they’re wearing “decent person” camouflage.”
Peristyle wrote :

Exactly! When I was young, I tried to tell my thinner friends this, but I don’t know if they all understood it.

And yet, even today too many parents insist on telling girls upset because a boy is mean to them , “That means he likes you!” Yeah, maybe back when Laura Ingalls was starting out her abortive career as a schoolmarm, boys “confused” by their emotions for a girl tried to cover up by picking on her-the proverbial ‘dunking the pigtail in the inkwell ‘ scenario.But today ? Or even back when I was in High School? I knew damn well that was BS-I could see the contempt and hatred in the eyes of male fellow students, whom I barely knew, but who just had to make insulting comments to or about me in the hallway. They DIDN’T find me attractive; they disliked girls in general but HAD to be nice to the “popular” girls or girls they thought pretty. They were only too happy to lash out at other girls.

I really wish the notion that cruelty from boys/men=jealousy=”He likes you/loves you!” would just disappear already.I wonder how many lives have been ruined by that notion?

fromafar2013
5 years ago

Muumuus are awesome. I own three of the blessed things. I shall don one today in honor of jerky dudes everywhere.

Totes. When I was a small child, my family lived in Hawaii in the late 80’s early 90’s. I saw muumuus everywhere! Everyone wore them, usually over a bikini paired with flip flops, because in Hawaii you are always only either at the beach, or on the way to the beach. I still love muumuus and sun dresses even though I now live in a land locked part of the continent.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

I read on the RedPill that apparently when women talk distastefully of a man, it’s because they recognize his “Alpha Male” aura and realize that because their “SMV” is much lower than his, so they try and discourage others from having relations with him.

Ass spincter says WHAT? Exquease me? Baking powder?

Honestly, it’s the old high-school “She said ‘Fuck off’ — that means she totally wants to fuck me!” canard all over again. I’ve seen the most repugnant guys confuse our obvious disgust with “totally wants me” too many times to mention…

Meanwhile, yeah, there’s one grain of truth in that. We DO want to discourage others from “having relations with him”, but it’s not because we want him for ourselves. We don’t. And it also has nothing to do with his or our “SMV”, which is a figment of these morons’ overactive imaginations. We know that no woman in her right mind would want him because he’s such a fucking dud. We just want to make sure none of our friends (or even our non-friends) wastes her time on him!

dhag85
5 years ago

How fucking hard is it to just think to yourself “I’m not attracted to X” and then just move on with your life.

M.
M.
5 years ago

“They’re like omega males; just as “omegas are either totally indifferent to women or hate them with a borderline homicidal fury”, fat women hate men with a borderline homicidal fury. ”

Wait. Aren’t “Omegas” supposed to be below “Betas”? Why conflate them with their biggest heroes, MGTOWS who actually GTOW and spree killers? Am I confused about their ridiculous ranking system, is this guy admitting that murdering women is bad or is this just more MRA “Consistency”?

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

And is there some epidemic of fat women murdering men that the rest of us haven’t heard of. How does existing while fat in public at all equate to mass murder?

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

There’s a life lesson that some of these people haven’t learned. “It’s not always about you.” They seem to believe that fat women are being fat AT them. If they didn’t make an oyful noise about it, the women they’re loathing wouldn’t even be aware of their exi- wait, I think I figured out what’s going on here.

Bryce
Bryce
5 years ago

@Bina

“Meanwhile, yeah, there’s one grain of truth in that. We DO want to discourage others from “having relations with him”, but it’s not because we want him for ourselves. We don’t. And it also has nothing to do with his or our “SMV”, which is a figment of these morons’ overactive imaginations. We know that no woman in her right mind would want him because he’s such a fucking dud. We just want to make sure none of our friends (or even our non-friends) wastes her time on him!”

Someone I didn’t know, had never spoken to, did something similar to me – because I literally didn’t return her smile. It was nothing to do with her, a family member had just passed away. Suddenly her friends, who I got on with well enough with up until that point (as in smiled and said hello and nothing more, it was at work) started giving me death stares.

It’s a rather extreme example, I’m not generalizing to all womenkind as some some men’s rights tool might, but you need to know *something* about a person before ‘relational aggression’ is justified imo.

Hannah
Hannah
5 years ago

I think these guys are just upset that no woman of any body size/type would have sex with them. At least no woman with a modicum of self respect (which is why they feel the need to tear down any woman with that modicum). They want to make larger women feel bad about themselves so that they might be able to convince those women to sleep with them.

Nolan Speed
5 years ago

Uh oh. The 8 year olds learned to use the internet.

Hellyeah
Hellyeah
5 years ago

The same guys who trash fat women are the ones who showcase their hot girlfriend in public but punish her for other guys being attracted to her attractiveness afterwards.

closetpuritan
5 years ago

More evidence, as if we needed it, that by “women” they mean “women I think are attractive”. “Women* can get laid whenever they want to blah blah blah.”
*Women between 18 and 30, or, depending on how creepy they are, 14 and 21, and who are below a size 10, other restrictions may apply, not valid in states of non-misogyny.

Why are they getting so worked up about the possibility that betas might have to choose between sleeping with women they deem unattractive and not getting laid? Aren’t “betas” also people that they’ve deemed unattractive? Oh right: It’s valid for men to have preferences based on superficial stuff, but women should only be paying attention to whether a guy is “nice” or not.

Pie: Pop evopsych guys knowing about changing beauty standards in different times and places? LOL. “WEIRD? What’s that? Venus figurines? Well, there are always exceptions.** And obviously WE’RE the normal ones, it’s impossible that there either is no normal or that we’re the exceptions.”
**Actual response I got when an acquaintance claimed that people were unattracted to fat people because evopsych. And yes, with the implication that we’re the normal ones, the creators of Venus figurines are the weird ones.

Mikki:

Fat women oppress men by not being attractive, attractive women oppress men by not sleeping with them, sluts oppress men by sleeping with them, Cute puppies oppress me by not letting me pet them, they also oppress me when I can pet them because I can’t have pets where I live.

Yeah, pretty much.

fionabeswick
5 years ago

“They seem to think fat women are being fat AT them”. I may need to die of laughter. I love that. They do, they take it personally!
BTW, where are my manners. Hello…love the blog

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Welcome, fionabeswick. You’ll find the welcome package by clicking on the candle picture on your right when you scroll down.

Dana
5 years ago

I don’t know why these peestains pretend they wouldn’t screw someone “unattractive”. They totally screw “unattractive” women. It’s something to keep them occupied until the woman they actually want decides she’s got time in her day for them. I’ve been subjected to this over and over and I am so done with it.

It’s like the argument that “dressing slutty” causes rape. Rapists don’t actually care what you look like, they care whether they can overpower you. Muslimahs in full hijab, Catholic nuns in full habit, six-month-old girl-babies, 80-year-old grandmothers, they are ALL fair game. Looks got nada to do with it.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

You know – and I say this as a cis male who’s been told by several queer friends that he’s the straightest man on the planet – if you presented me with a scenario where a woman was being a “special little snowflake” in relation to how men were treating her, I wouldn’t think of a plus-sized woman wearing spandex. I’d think of Daddy’s perfect little cheerleader throwing a fit after getting turned down for the prom because even though she hits all the right notes, she’s actually a horrible person.

Obviously, the latter scenario is extremely stereotyped as well. But still.

d c.f. vbgh
d c.f. vbgh
5 years ago

no one has the right to be found attractive. no one’s feelings matter. and men are in fact shamed every day for being unattractive – too short, too thin, not enough, beard, no beard, not enough hair, wrong kind of hair, micro dick, cargo shorts, socks with sandals – and that’s fine. if you’re ugly, your life will suck, forever, and there’s nothing you can do about it. no one owes you anything, and you can’t change what people find attractive.

closetpuritan
5 years ago

no one has the right to be found attractive.
True.

if you’re ugly, your life will suck, forever
False.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Did you read the post? It’s not actually about fat women demanding that anyone find them attractive. It’s about red pillers whining about fat women existing and daring to wear cute clothes.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Of course zie didn’t read the post, WWTH. That would involve not knee-jerk necroing and going “MANPAIN!” all over the comment section.

But men are considered unattractive, and we feminists must get on this important issue right now! Drop everything everyone! Alphabet Soup demands we get right on this important issue or else we aren’t really for equality! [/sarcasm]

Look Alphabet Soup (your nym is far too jumbled for me to give a shit, to be honest), yes, men are shamed for the way they look. But you know what? Guys like that still get to exist.

Men of every shape and size are seen in media (though not of every race or sexual orientation, that’s another can of worms), and they’re all treated with respect and aren’t made the butt of everyone’s jokes. Some people joke, but not everyone, and most of the time, it’s in good fun.

With women, if we exist while fat, we’re the punchline. Always. It’s rare that I see a fat female character whose story doesn’t revolve around food or dieting or complaining about her weight and being the sidekick to the thin, conventionally attractive woman or being shunned by the conventionally attractive male lead. (Hence why I love Steven Universe so fucking much.)

No one goes on and on about how men dare to exist and possibly be happy with the way they are because they’re not pleasing women. No one. Yes, women might make fun of you for being one of those things, but in the grand scheme of things, that’s not the norm.

You can’t be a fat and happy woman. You get one or the other, according to douchebags at the Red Pill and society as a whole. If you’re a fat woman, you should be ashamed of yourself and work to be skinny by any means necessary, especially if it hurts you. If you’re a skinny woman, you’re loved and treated with respect.

You get the luxury of blaming women for not finding you attractive. We women don’t get that. We can’t go “It’s not our fault men don’t find us attractive! It’s their fault for being shallow bastards!”

Nope. It’s always women’s fault.

However, what we’re asking for isn’t “You have to find us attractive too!”, but rather “We would like to be able to exist and be happy with ourselves and our bodies without being made to feel guilty for it because we don’t please boners.”

Surprisingly, life isn’t all about men’s boners and women pleasing them. Shocking, I know.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Soap operas can be surprisingly progressive sometimes. Not that they aren’t problematic too. They often had gay characters before primetime TV did. For awhile Days of Our Lives featured a character played by Patrika Darbo. Despite being fat she had a conventionally attractive doctor husband. The best thing about it, it wasn’t presented as a big deal that she had an attractive husband. At least not in the episodes I saw. The couple were villains, but it was still pretty cool. We see the fat husband – conventionally attractive wife combo all the time, but not so much the other way around. Although it’s kind of depressing that besides Days, the only other time I can think of that a fat woman was paired up with a hot guy was the 1980s TV movie Babycakes. Starring Ricki Lake. Recommend that movie in a so bad it’s good TV movie kind of way.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004858/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t99

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Of course zie didn’t read the post, WWTH. That would involve not knee-jerk necroing and going “MANPAIN!” all over the comment section.

For some reason when I saw “MANPAIN!” in all caps I couldn’t help think of it as the name for a manosphere version of the hulk. “MANPAIN SMASH WOMEN’S RIGHT TO EXIST WITHOUT MAKING BONER HAPPY!” “MANPAIN BUY INTO TOXIC MASCULINITY BIG WAY!” “MANPAIN HATE SCENTED CANDLES!”

closetpuritan
5 years ago

Although it’s kind of depressing that besides Days, the only other time I can think of that a fat woman was paired up with a hot guy was the 1980s TV movie Babycakes.

There’s also Hairspray–the main character is paired with a conventionally-attractive guy.

But yeah, I don’t have a problem with pairing a not-conventionally-attractive guy with a model-hot woman, I’d just like to see it be more equal-opportunity.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

This isn’t about our right to have people be attracted to us. It is about our right to not give a fuck if you are or are not attracted to us. Our self worth is in no way related to your boner.

Yes, you owe me the right to walk down the street safely and without abuse no matter what you think of my body. You have no right to try to shame or humiliate me for daring to go out without a burka. I wont hide myself from view because it makes men like you mad that I love myself and I love the feeling of the sun and the breeze on my skin. You absolutely do owe me that and I owe you the same.

No, men are not as burdened as women with impossible beauty standards.

Beauty, btw, has nothing to do with who wants to fuck you.

What makes you ugly, self-pitying misogynist, is not your physical appearance. You’re self-centered, sexist, sadboneritus is. Some things aren’t about you and this is one of them.

Feelings do matter. Ask any kid who was ever bullied to death.

Not fucking you is not the same as bullying.

Happiness is not as bound up in people wanting to fuck you as you think it is.

Mic Jagger got to fuck David Bowie and Jerry Hall. He’s sexy, but not conventionally attractive. You do not have to be Adonis to get laid by spectacularly beautiful people.

Asexual people exist and they are just as happy as anyone else.

I’m fat, middle aged, covered in stretch marks and I’m happy. I wear what I want. I go where I want. I am loved. I enjoy sex with someone who wants me just as I am. I struggle with self-esteem and internalized fascist beauty standards. I’m as messed up a tangle of contradictions as any other human being and my life does not suck. In fact, it’s pretty amazing.

Maybe yours could be too if you dropped the hate, projection and bitterness and tried loving the life you have and the body you have instead of the one you saw on TV and thought was the only one that would make you happy.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

*your*
ARGH

Erik
Erik
5 years ago

I’m a man and have been fat for most of my life. My nickname in first grade was fatso. I’m 43 now. I’ve had 1 girlfriend my entire life. To be honest I probably could have had more but my low self esteem prevents me from seeing myself as someone deserving of a relationship. Its my own fault for being weak willed. I acknowledge this while at the same time i fail to successfully do anything about this long term. I’m an example of why fat shaming doesn’t work. I’ve been at healthier weights at various times but never long term. Its a combination of low self esteem and chronic depression. Its my fault for not sticking to a plan or lifestyle which is healthier. To be honest I don’t know if its the fat which makes me feel bad or if I’m fat because I feel bad. No one should be fat shamed it generally doesnt help. By the same token being fat shouldn’t be celebrated. It limits you in many ways regardless and including what other people think. I know some terrific women that would never go out with me due to lack of physical attraction. It makes feel like shit but that’s the honest truth. They aren’t bad people they just don’t want to have sex with me. Health is an even bigger reason. You are limited in the kinds of activities you can do. People see you as lazy. Doesn’t matter if its fair or not…its just the way it is. Flying sucks…or for that matter any time you see the look on someone’s face who is forced to sit next to you. Its no fun to sit next to someone who takes up more than their fair share of space. I think it’s great when people can look past their own imperfections and enjoy life. At the same time they need to realize that they are limiting themselves as well. In my case and in many others I think there are underlying reasons for being fat. I don’t know how to get past those issues personally, but I think that is probably the key for many people. Its not just males that engage in fat shaming. I’ve been called lots of names by females as well. Just because a person is a female doesn’t mean that they are magically nice. Small minded people come in all different packages. I don’t believe that society owes me anything. If I want someone someone to love me I have to make myself worth being loved. Its more than just being able to go out and get laid. Its about being able to have a decent life. Being fat and unhealthy does not give you this ability.