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AVFM: “Good women have abortions. So do a lot of … heartless slugs who won’t use birth control or keep their legs closed.”

Lovely.
Lovely.

This, er, thoughtful meme is from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page, where it’s received 207 “likes” so far.

AVFM, don’t ever change. Just continue revealing to the world what a bunch of hateful, spiteful, misogynistic children you are.

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dphk
6 years ago

That’s almost progressive for them, because they are acknowledging that some women are good.

Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

aww, beaten to it – noting that they’re at least saying some women are good. That’s a step up from the shit that they normally spew. Wonder how long it will be before they spot it and change it.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

“Women who have abortions are irresponsible and heartless slugs, and so are women who have babies the father doesn’t want, because spermjacking.”

Makes sense to me.

Supernova
Supernova
6 years ago

What’s odd about this is that when talking about pregnancy, especially teen pregnancy, it always seems to be the boys who put up a fuss about wearing a condom. Hell, on pretty much every teen health website I’ve visited there’s entire sections dedicated to rebutting the excuses guys make (“it doesn’t feel as good”, “it kills the mood”, etc, etc). It seems like THEY are the ones who need to learn the importance of birth control.

rayvyn2k
rayvyn2k
6 years ago

Isn’t this one of the groups who also believe that they are entitled to sex whenever they want it because reasons?

Bacon
Bacon
6 years ago

I know right? They’re complaining that women won’t keep their legs closed at the exact same time as they argue that women should sleep with men who are ‘nice’ to them (actual niceness may vary). It’s almost like misogynists are impossible to please…

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Oh, classy AVFM. Classy. /s

So, if whoever made this meme truly believes that some women who have abortions are “irresponsible, heartless slugs”…why are they opposed to abortion rights? Why do they think that forcing an “irresponsible, heartless slug” to carry a pregnancy to term and raising a child would be a good idea for any of the parties involved? The last thing that comes to mind when I read the phrase “irresponsible, heartless slug” is “awesome parent.”

[And, obviously, with both AVFM and the forced birth movement it’s not really about anything other than controlling women – it’s just their complete lack of logic and simple human decency is astounding.]

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

Note they have no such thing to say about dudes who impregnate women and require they abort the pregnancies.

YoullNeverGuess
6 years ago

I think this reflects the confusion that MRAs have over what feminism is. Feminists articulate their philosophy in many different ways – here, it is about securing rights for women – but MRAs have this weird conviction that feminism is really about pretending that women never do bad things. The approach is orthogonal to the original intention, which I think is why so many MRA responses are non sequiturs.

Like, here, the feminist message is, don’t shame women for exercising their rights. But MRAs see the phrase “good women” and think haHA! Not all of you are good! Sign invalidated!

Linux
Linux
6 years ago

Men also want abortions….are they heartless?

YoullNeverGuess
6 years ago

To go on a little more, never has the abortion debate been, “how can we ensure that only nice women have abortions?” The anti-abortion movement wants to argue that only awful women would have them, therefore not only should abortion be illegal, women should be ashamed to argue in their favor. The sign contradicts that argument. But then the MRA response to the sign contradicts a point that no one is making, pro or anti.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Oh. So they’re against abortions this week? Because I thought they wanted women to have abortions rather than commit the unspeakable misandry that is expecting fathers to pay child support?

As terrible as the religious right anti choice crowd is, at least they have some consistency with their opinions. MRAs think it’s wrong for women to have sex. But they also think it’s horrible for women to not dispense sex on demand to any deserving man. They hate abortions if a woman freely chooses it, but they want us to be coerced into having them if the father doesn’t want a child. They hate it when mothers expect the fathers of their children but they don’t like it when a mother wants nothing to do with the father too.

Pretty much, everything a woman is does is bad. Anything a man does is good. But only if the man fits into a narrow mold of how think men should be (like them). It’s a cliche to accuse them of projection at this point, but that’s why they think feminists believe that men are bad so we should be out to get them and women are always right no matter what.

bekabot
6 years ago

…so do a lot of irresponsible and heartless slugs who won’t use birth control or keep their legs closed.”

…whose irresponsible heartless slug babies you just can’t wait to raise, amirite, fellas?

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Irresponsible and heartless slugs that they earnestly desire to have sex with. But who will not oblige them!

They’re like a rat king of awful.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Today in the ‘everything a woman does is wrong’ movement…

And can we please stop calling them children and/or babies? It’s very insulting to them and also to the people who really are mentally children.

Myriad
Myriad
6 years ago

Ah, I see the brain trust over at AVFM still can’t decide what they expect from women or what message they want to convey.

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

I’m just surprised this thing is legible and has a decent layout.

You know what we need someone who’s good with graphics design to make a poster-thingy that demonstrates all the contradictory statements the MRA is trying to say, with links below of the original and archived pages (just in case).

Examples:

“Women are sluts!” “Women need to sex up men more!” ~Paul Elam
http://www.paulelamhaserectiledisfunction.net/apostaboutwomensvaginasthatitotallydontthinkaboutallthetime
http://www.paulelamhaserectiledisfunction.net/apostabouthowidontgetanyandmyviagraperscriptionhasrunout

“Women are feeble minded!” “Women are manipulative, psychoanalytic bitches!” ~A Honey Badger (IDK their names)
http://www.honeybadgersdontcareaboutconsistency.com/feeeeemales_are_feeble_minded_(but_im_not_because_im_on_your_side_so_im_totally_smarter_than_most)
http://www.honeybadgersdontcareaboutconsistency.com/feeeeeemales_are_manipulative_whores_ALSO_need_donations_for_suing_people_for_shit_totes_not_gonna_take_the_money_and_run_lol

“Woman try to take men’s monies through child support!” “Woman are icky-yucky-gross-gross when they have abortions!” ~This other guy
http://www.mrasshole.com/i_still_dont_do_my_own_laundry
http://www.mrasshole.com/i_also_havent_spoken_with_an_actual_woman_since_i_got_fired_for_sexual_harrassment_five_years_ago

And at the end, it can say something snarky, like, “MRA Beliefs: Alway Consistent…ly against Women” or something.

I’d do it, but I’m lazy.

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

Oh, those aren’t real links. Um. I also didn’t put the http:// on them.

Goddamnit.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
6 years ago

I keep forgetting that women get pregnant all by themselves.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Cyberwolf
It’s never a man’s responsibility it’s always the woman’s. But if a woman says “women are having the baby not ‘we’re’ having the baby, you’re not carrying this child”

Then it’s “lol the men helped too so give us an award of some sorts”

And also it’s been proven that women can get pregnant without men.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Banana
There are Mra marmoset, Mra memes on deviantart and there are other ones on a site that I can’t remember.

Hoosier X
6 years ago

the MRA response to the sign contradicts a point that no one is making

Standard Operating Procedure, innit?

I’ve always assumed it was on the first page of the official MRA manual.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

Was slugs a typo, or is it another one to add to list of ‘women are like’ various animals, insects and inanimate objects?

anemonerosie
6 years ago

I mean this seriously as I’ve never been able to figure it out. I’m legit not trolling (I’m also not in the US if that matters).
How is it possible to have this pro-birth control movement that’s so anti-female… and also have the anti-choice movement? Like are MRA not also aligned with anti-choicers? It seems a natural fit, as pro-choice would seemingly equal feminist, right?
I’ve never understood this. I’d be most grateful if someone could clarify.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@anemonerosie

Could you clarify the question? I don’t really understand it. The movement in the US to improve access to birth control is not, as a rule, anti-woman at all, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that.

Charlotte Neph
6 years ago

My brain is stuck on the image of a slug with legs.

strivingally
6 years ago

@Ellesar: my guess is it’s both. This way they can get a dehumanising noun in (because Dog Forbid AVfM ould get through a sentence without reminding you that women aren’t people) and also use it as a stand-in for one of their favourite slurs, with the pretence of plausible deniability.

To critics: we said slugs! See? We’re not using those terms you hate!

To MRAs: … but you know what we mean, rite guyz?

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@anemonerosie

The thing is that birth control has help both men and women a lot, which the MRA cannot avoid (at least helping the men part). However, prochoice is a rather prominent feminist issue. Most people who are ignorant of what prochoice means (i.e. the MRA) and consider it the right for woman to just abort willy nilly.

Thus this thing was made.

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@anemonerosie

Also, they just fucking hate women so much.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Why is birth control ALWAYS the woman’s responsibility? If you don’t want a kid OR an abortion, dudes, shouldn’t it be on YOU to wear a condom, get a vasectomy, or just keep your zipper done up?

Also, nice slug-shaming.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

To critics: we said slugs! See? We’re not using those terms you hate!

To MRAs: … but you know what we mean, rite guyz?

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/122/8/0/fractal_facepalm_by_jon11888-d3fgwlv.jpg

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Also, birth control sometimes — OFTEN — fails. Because even faithful users sometimes get unlucky. So there’s that. But of course, Menz Rightzers won’t even contemplate THAT possibility…

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

Turns out, it’s really hard to get an IUD into a slug. The patch doesn’t stick that well, either.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Bina
“Why is birth control ALWAYS the woman’s responsibility? If you don’t want a kid OR an abortion, dudes, shouldn’t it be on YOU to wear a condom, get a vasectomy, or just keep your zipper done up?”

B-but Men taking responsibility for their actions is misandry!

“Also, nice slug-shaming.”

I know slugs are so cool 🙁

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago
sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Eww slugs. Sluts can do whatever they want though, not my place to judge.

The MRM could not be more transparent if they tried. And I echo the sentiments: since when were they pro-life? Or is it not about the babies and simply about controlling women?

I just answered my own question.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie

ಠ_ಠ

what.

Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie

What the…. that doesn’t even make sense. Those two things aren’t related at ALL.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

Another Phrase the MRM Doesn’t Understand:

Double standards.

And it explains quite a lot, actually.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

@fruitloopsie

That is the most nonsensical, false equivalence-y thing I have EVER seen AVFM do. I could pull out some other memes off the top of my head that make just as much sense.

“If water is wet, then bananas are pink!”
“If the earth goes around the sun, then crabs eat watermelon!”
“If I’m feeling headachey, then planes are made of cotton!”

friday jones
friday jones
6 years ago

Shows how much biology these MRA types know, all slugs have a heart in their coelom.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

^ It makes sense if you translate it into asshole-ese: Women are only worthwhile for their beauty (as judged by us, obvs) and men are only worthwhile for their ability to provide support (AT LEAST THATS WHAT YOU WOMEN THINK!!!11!).

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Everyone
Oh my gosh I know! This doesn’t make any sense, does it?

1. Do they think that only women can get fat and only men can be unemployed?
2. Do they think that only women “objectify” men by their wallets? Do they think that only men objectify women by their looks?

At least that’s what I read from this image and the comments. I don’t know I think they’re projecting their shallowness onto everyone. ::shrugs::

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Ohhhhh, so they DO have a point, they’re just terrible at making memes. Got it.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Under the “slugs have abortions” image there is one dude who whines that women have 18 kinds of contraception while men only have 3, with a 4th one (the male pill) on the way. Hence, men have almost no reproductive rights.

It’s actually 13 types, not 18, but that aside, the stupidity of that comment is that how on earth could one make that many kinds of birth control for men given their equipment? They can’t have IUDs, IUSs, diaphragms, vaginal rings, caps, and even though they say they’re looking forward to the male pill I think we all know what a shitstorm they’ll throw up if women start asking them to take hormonal control. They whinge about having to wear a thin piece of rubber as it is.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

So what I’m understanding is that, according to MRAs, all people are horrible because of nature. For example, it is natural for a man to only value a woman if she possesses the currently culturally-approved definition of beauty, and it is natural for a woman to only value a man if he possesses the currently culturally approved definition of masculinity (money and a job, apparently).

However, even though nature made men and women and everyone awful in this way, we should hate women for the way nature made them, while men should be forgiven because it’s just natural that they are awful and it’s not their fault.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
6 years ago

I don’t understand. If an MRA POS picked up or ‘wifed up’ an ‘irresponsible heartless slug’ and she ‘sperm-jacked’ him, wouldn’t he rather she have an abortion than ‘divorce-rape’ or ‘child-support-rape’ him?

Also, I think it’s worth clarifying two misconceptions in the meme: 1) A woman can engage in coitus or be sexually assaulted without opening her legs, and 2) Abortion is a form of birth control, since it prevents birth once pregnancy has occurred. Other types of birth control include anything that is used by individuals who are engaging in coitus either consensually or by force that prevents conception or implantation.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Deniseeliza
It seems that way

There’s other memes that are like the one I posted only they say “big is beautiful right ladies?” With a picture of a fat guy on it, “if big is beautiful then poverty is sexy” and “gays can’t get married because it doesn’t fit my definition of marriage” with a picture of Anita Sarkinsein saying “men don’t face sexism because it doesn’t fit my definition of sexism”

Geez Louize when are they gonna to be quiet about her and move on?

Suzy Q
Suzy Q
6 years ago

I’m surprised no one said anything about the fact that it only got 207 likes. I got 3 times that uploading a picture of my cat drinking water from the bathtub faucet to YouTube. Is AVFM loosing steam? Or am I just hopeful.

Are these the same dudes arguing that “Men have literally no choice as to whether they want be fathers.” No bullshit, I’ve seen that more than once.

Um, use a condom? “Women poke holes in them, you hear about it all the time!”

Let’s pretend that’s true for a second…you can’t bring your own un-sabotaged condoms? No… Because that would require you actually taking responsibility for something.

Better yet: keep it in your pants if you think can’t trust any women and don’t want a kid. “That’s not realistic!” Oh. Ok.

It’s like they live in a state of perpetual infancy where they can’t take care of themselves and are incapable of taking any kind of action or direction in their lives, and feminists/women represent mommy who has all the power, which is why the heaps of resentment.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I’m watching The Shining right now. Jack Torrance is such an MRA.