So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.
Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”
Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)
In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”
As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers
smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.
And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”
After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”
Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.
So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?
Here’s Roosh’s version of events:
I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.
I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.
I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.
Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.
Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.
I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.
Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.
After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.
I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.
At one point, Roosh reports,
I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.
Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.
I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.
Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.
Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.
Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:
Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.
Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.
Bryce: One reason that the anti-fat-shaming movement is so heavily woman-dominated is that fat-shaming tends to come in two varieties:
1: Gender-neutral, which just berates all fat people equally.
2: Gender-targeted, which focuses entirely on women.
Men aren’t specifically berated for being overweight the way women are. Furthermore, from what I’ve seen (as a guy who is fat by any reasonable standard), most men get away with being far heavier than women before they get hit with the category 1 stuff, even. And of course, a lot of the pseudoscience used to back up fat-shaming (like BMI) tends to be slanted against women’s physiology, specifically.
As for the whole focus on thinness being recent, I also remember that when Kate Moss first hit the magazine ads, there was ample body-shaming directed at her for being too thin. (I seem to recall that being the point where “heroin chic” became a popular term.) Prior to that point, Cindy Crawford was considered the beauty ideal, and while not as large as Marylin Monroe, she was still genuinely curvy.
If I didn’t know better, I’d think Roosh was… an attention whore!
“Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned”
Men have absolutely zero obligations to a woman after he has had consensual sex with her. Absolutely zero. No obligations to make a phone call, or to remember her name, or to seeing her again, or to say “hello how are you” if they cross each other on the street.
How is it possible that you continuosly fail to understand this?
Do you often miss the point of things you read Josh? I’m guessing you do.
@Josh
Oh, you are precious. I’m just gonna watch them rip you apart. 🙂
Luckily women have absolutely zero obligation to have sex with Josh in the first place.
When even Dr Oz calls you out on your bullshit, you should know how low you’ve just gone.
With that in mind, I can’t stop laughing.
My grandma makes really good celery soup.
… Oh, I’m sorry, Josh made me think we were posting random non sequiturs.
“Women have absolutely zero obligations to a man have she has him pay for a consensual date. Absolutely zero. No obligations to give him her phone number, or to sleep with him, or to date him again, or to respond to the three-dozen desperate texts from him calling her a bitch.”
Somehow I don’t think Josh would quite agree with this version…
Roosh’s intonation reminds me of Tommy Wiseau’s.
“Every year women were getting larger and larger… it has to be stopped.. in some way”
Watch Dr Oz tearing into Roosh and then rewatch the Room or the Nostalgia Critic’s review of the room. Hilarious!
Josh:
Congratulations on posting a textbook non sequitur. I’m sure your teacher will be proud of you completing that assignment.
What’s that? You’re not a fourth-grader trying to demonstrate a logical fallacy as part of a class project? Well, in that case, please feel free to fuck off with all the fucks, and step on a Lego on your way out.
Michelle Obama has made it her project as the current First Lady to fight the epidemic of childhood obesity in the U.S. I guess that makes her a fat-shaming troll as well
@Josh, be specific, who are you talking to who said anything against which this is a valid argument?
Are your attempts at sex that embarrassing and miserable, Josh, that they have to be stricken from the historical record forever?
Or are you just trying to claim that men have a right never to experience any annoyance, inconvenience, or hassle in the pursuit of their sacred nut? Because if you’re not able to navigate the most goddamn basic kindergarten aspects of human relationships, such as mutual consent, reciprocity, and consideration, then you’re not mature enough to be having sex.
Dr. Oz using Roosh to try to regain some reputation, Roosh using him back to gain more visability and expand. They need each other.
Isn’t he doing a tour soon?
Remember Julien Blanc? His business hasn’t suffered much, so it seems. http://www.makingashift.com
No one cares Josh. Women also don’t have those obligations. No one has those obligations if they’re clear that what they’re having is a one-time fling.
Go get ready for school so you can learn some reading comprehension. It’s a weekday and you’ll get in trouble for truancy.
You know, aren’t backstage people suppose to be nice to the guest? They aren’t suppose to be mean. Roosh is getting all worked up because they’re doing their job.
They’re obligated to be nice to you Roosh. I’m sure most of the women you’ve met were obligated to be nice while they work. You aren’t special.
@Banana Jackie
It’s like when waitresses or flight attendance personnel are all friendly and smily cause that’s just apart of the job, and the person they are serving becomes convinced that the waitress/flight attendant really likes them and decide to act inappropriately towards them. (Or at least, that’s their excuse for acting inappropriate anyways…)
*decides
Oh good! :U *lets out a sigh of relief*
Sarcasm doesn’t travel well over text for me unless I recognize your usernym and text style. >.>
I usually try to denote what’s sarcasm in an obvious way myself by putting something like [/sarcasm] after the sarcastic bits for people who can’t see it. >.>
Well, this settles it: there is no honor among thieves after all.
One thing not mentioned about fat-shaming women that is really, really important.
Pregnancy. There are a lot of women who worry far too much about being “fat” when they’re pregnant. There are far too many men who insist that women gain the least possible weight during the pregnancy _and_ lose that weight as quickly as possible while they’re breast feeding or even when they’re not. For most women with non-problem pregnancy and breast feeding, keeping it up for 6 months or more will allow a body to return to its non-baby shape without any additional effort.
It is possible to gain too much weight when you’re pregnant, which makes it hard to lose afterwards. It’s also dangerous to the hoped for baby to restrict calorie and nutrient intake when pregnant because the woman and/or her partner dislike the pregnancy shape.
I don’t care if dr. Oz is a money-grubbing buffoon. Roosh deserves this sort of public shaming. It’s the least that karma could do.
@josh
And neither me or any of the other posters owes you either
A) the time of day
B) an answer to your comment
C) an explanation of why the irony of both your and Doosh’s reactions are priceless
D) to be polite if they answer you
E) to wish you a happy day
F) to continue to go through the entire alphabet
Glad we cleared that up.
It have been a very entertaining exchange, but I thinks the subjects been exhausted, but I am very interesting in hearing your honest opinion on that matter.
Yours truly, Lanariel
It’s funny, I’d never heard of Dr Oz until this thread and now this article suddenly appears in the Guardian….
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/29/dr-oz-oprah-winfrey-let-down-fans