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Roosh V: seduced and abandoned by The Dr. Oz Show

Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan
Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan

So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.

Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”

Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)

In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”

As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers

smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”

After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”

Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.

So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?

Here’s Roosh’s version of events:

I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.

I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.

Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.

Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.

Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.

After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.

At one point, Roosh reports,

I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.

Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.

I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.

Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.

Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.

Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:

Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.

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Merus
Merus
9 years ago

Dr. Oz’s show is about 50% nonsense by volume, so it pleases me that the interview basically conforms to the trend by having one side speaking entirely nonsense.

M.
M.
9 years ago

This is Roosh we’re talking about, he only has a right wing.

*rimshot*

Jo
Jo
9 years ago

David, just a friendly reminder that not all your readers are familiar with American TV, so a little context about Doctor Oz would be useful in the post.

Spindrift
Spindrift
9 years ago

Does Roosh ever complain about fat men, or does he not even pretend that it’s not all about his boner feels? If he was genuinely concerned about obesity for non-selfish reasons he’d at least complain about male obesity too. His arguments would still be pulled out of his unwiped butt though, cause it is all about his preferences rather than genuine health concerns. I imagine he probably just thinks fat men means less competition for the “objectively attractive” women and thus it’s a good thing for him.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

It’s schadenfreude-tastic!

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

Litschi | April 29, 2015 at 1:34 am
Puh… The second great Pickup Artist I see on tv, who is all about body language and how to seduce the girl, however can barely look their conversation partner in the eyes or even sit straight up… Seriously, remove this poor guys from their wolfpack, an they become puppies again!

Nah, it’s just if you remove Roosh from his self-made echo chamber, he’s suddenly slapped with reality, and his tender little bubble can’t handle it. Hence why he retreated right back to it after the interview. He can’t handle the fact that he’s wrong about most everything.

Being nervous on tv ist absolutly normal! It’s just so embarrasing, because these guys usually like to talk about, how cool they are and what great people persons and how they amaze the masses and so on…

It’s normal to be nervous before going on television. That’s fine. Being in front of an audience can be daunting. But Roosh wasn’t just in front of an audience, he was in front of an audience who disagrees with everything he preaches about in his bubble.

And saying how shitty and ugly women in general are, is their way to rationalize why they are not fucking as much as they like to do. It’s not because they are not that pleasant to be with. No! It’s just, that there are no suitable women out there!

They say that women are shitty and ugly all the damn time though! That’s the basis for most of their work! “Women are shitty and terrible and fuck any man who’s not you, so manipulate them into sucking your dick by treating them like the shitty people we say they are!”

And how “pleasant” do you think it is to be around someone who only wants to fuck you for their own sake? How “pleasant” do you think it is to have someone only shove their dick into you a couple of times, orgasm, and then shove you out of bed because they’re done with you? Ooh! How about the time Roosh said men getting off was far more important than women getting any pleasure at all? And he’d fuck a woman if she was bone dry and she bled or it hurt her?

Yeah, he’s so pleasant to be with, isn’t he?

I sincerely can’t tell if you’re trolling, or you’re just really mired in their bullshit because you’ve been suckered into believing it works and paying Roosh for his “wisdom”.

guest
guest
9 years ago

@ Banana Jackie Cake–just taking the opportunity to say that seeing your handle makes me smile every time I see it; I think it’s hilarious and charming.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

It’s been brought to my attention that Litschi may have not been trolling, and my troll-dar was off on this one. If that’s the case, and Litschi was being sarcastic, I apologize.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
9 years ago

@guest

D’aw, thanks <3

M.
M.
9 years ago

@PI

I’m pretty sure Litschi agrees with us, they’re just being sarcastic. ^^;

M.
M.
9 years ago

NINJA’D.

dhag85
9 years ago

Umm, isn’t 150lbs a pretty low weight at which to draw the line, even if you do buy into Roosh’ assholerism? Aside from the whole fat shaming nonsense already being horribly dehumanizing and creepy, drawing the line at 150 seems wrong even if I try to view it through their goggles.

Kootiepatra
9 years ago

Of all the places I expected to call Roosh out on national TV, Dr. Oz was definitely not one of them. But I am okay with being surprised here.

Needed more Lego on the carpet, though.

On a side note; I’m curious as to why the fat acceptance movement seems to be exclusively about women, as if men are expected to take all the derogatory comments as light-hearted joshing.

I don’t think it’s exclusively about women, but I think women have flocked to it in greater numbers, and are the primary content creators for it. I also think it tends to focus more on women’s issues because women are disproportionately affected by fat shaming. This is of course not to say that men never suffer from it, or that it’s no big deal if/when they do, just that women get it at a smaller relative size, and generally with more vitriol and real-life fallout than men do. Women are overwhelmingly judged more harshly by their physical appearance than men are, because women are overwhelmingly objectified in a way that men generally aren’t.

(TW: Fat-shaming – Example: I have a friend who had a total stranger yell at her just yesterday that he could hear her flip-flops crying. She hurried to her car and bawled her eyes out. I have never heard of a male friend—even the biggest ones—getting yelled at by a stranger. I know that’s anecdotal, but it’s pretty fresh on my mind. End TW.)

Couple that with a culture that continually tells men that it’s weak and girly to ask for help, and you’ll find fewer men jumping on board with fat acceptance. There is the expectation (mostly from other men) that they should either suck it up and laugh along with the joke (note that the “funny fat friend” is a culturally-acceptable role), or hit the gym harder.

PussyPowerTantrum, the Lousy Flouncer
PussyPowerTantrum, the Lousy Flouncer
9 years ago

The glimpse into Roosh’s mind when he’s feeling threatened is fascinating. For all his bravado he sounds so frightened and insecure, imagining himself to be persecuted, attributing totally unlikely and inappropriate reactions to others (esp. women), professing fear of violence in a situation where it’s highly unlikely. I guess it’s another case of a bully being a small and weak person at heart. Being afraid is nothing to be ashamed of, but it is contemptible for a grown-ass man to refuse to deal with his issues and instead seek temporary release in abusing others.

M.
M.
9 years ago

This is of course not to say that men never suffer from it, or that it’s no big deal if/when they do, just that women get it at a smaller relative size, and generally with more vitriol and real-life fallout than men do. Women are overwhelmingly judged more harshly by their physical appearance than men are, because women are overwhelmingly objectified in a way that men generally aren’t.

Continuing on from this: Bryce, for a direct example here, think about how many overweight – not average-sized but called “Fat” in the tabloids, genuinely overweight – female celebrities there are. (I can think of exactly two, Melissa McCarthy and Queen Latifah.) Now think about how many overweight male celebrities there are…

Fat-shaming is shitty no matter what, but WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ doesn’t help anybody.

M.
M.
9 years ago

Arse. Take two:

This is of course not to say that men never suffer from it, or that it’s no big deal if/when they do, just that women get it at a smaller relative size, and generally with more vitriol and real-life fallout than men do. Women are overwhelmingly judged more harshly by their physical appearance than men are, because women are overwhelmingly objectified in a way that men generally aren’t.

Continuing on from this: Bryce, for a direct example here, think about how many overweight – not average-sized but called “Fat” in the tabloids, genuinely overweight – female celebrities there are. (I can think of exactly two, Melissa McCarthy and Queen Latifah.) Now think about how many overweight male celebrities there are…

Fat-shaming is shitty no matter what, but WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ doesn’t help anybody.

Mercy
Mercy
9 years ago

I’m still stuck on “wait, Oz was actually criticizing fat-shaming????”

Litschi
Litschi
9 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention

No harm done! 😉 Will try to be over-sarcastic next time, so it’s more obvious! 😉

dhag85
9 years ago

@PussyPowerTantrum

I’m very happy that you’re a “lousy flouncer”. 🙂

neoriceisgood
neoriceisgood
9 years ago

All I see is two gross people on a couch.

Lanariel
Lanariel
9 years ago

Just watched the segment, and wish i had not. Just need to vent a bit. I am currently suffering from depression and seems to have been struggling with that for the majority of my life, I have also recently found out that I’ve been diagnosed with Asperger since 97 but the doctors screwed up the telling me part. Because of this, I have a tendency to comfort eat to calm my emotions, and also the taste and feel of actually eating calms me down and helps me sort out some sensory inputs.

His comments on the issue just had med disgusted, and in need of a hug.

M.
M.
9 years ago

@Lanariel

We’re always good for hugs. *sends hugs*

dhag85
9 years ago

Hugs for Lanariel!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Roosh isn’t a player, he just plays one on the internet. He’s a good businessman and a consistent blogger..but being unable to see this ambush, his whining and inability to shine under hardship just show how he really isn’t alpha and probably shouldnt be giving men advice.

I think you might find that the people on this board are not concerned with how “alpha” Roosh might be, because the “alpha” designation is actually completely without meaning. Roosh is not contemptible because he’s less “alpha” than he claims and isn’t really a “player.” He’s contemptible because he’s a rapist, and so misogynist that he openly admitted to that rape but thinks it was okay because his personal, private, individualized definition of rape conveniently doesn’t include the rape he committed. He’s contemptible because he thinks his boner is the most important thing on the planet, an attitude that leads to rape and also to the multitudes of shaming he does, sticking his nose into other people’s personal lives if his boner is not sufficiently pleased. He’s contemptible because he’s an all-around horrible human being.

So you might want to get your priorities straight.

Moggie
Moggie
9 years ago

If PUA game actually worked – if PUAs were masters of the art and science of human persuasion, as they claim – imagine how they would excel in areas other than dating. They’d be natural salesmen, for sure. They’d do very well at politics, law, and in the acting profession. They’d be formidable debaters. And yet, what does Roosh do? When given the opportunity to exercise those awesome powers in an interview, he gets his unwiped arse handed to him by a quack, and whines about it like a big baby. It’s almost as if his skills aren’t all that.

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