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Roosh V: seduced and abandoned by The Dr. Oz Show

Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan
Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan

So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.

Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”

Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)

In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”

As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers

smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”

After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”

Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.

So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?

Here’s Roosh’s version of events:

I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.

I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.

Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.

Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.

Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.

After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.

At one point, Roosh reports,

I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.

Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.

I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.

Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.

Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.

Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:

Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.

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Bob
Bob
9 years ago

Roosh isn’t a player, he just plays one on the internet. He’s a good businessman and a consistent blogger..but being unable to see this ambush, his whining and inability to shine under hardship just show how he really isn’t alpha and probably shouldnt be giving men advice.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 years ago

Isn’t 150 about average for adult women? So Roosh is saying that right off the bat, half of the entire female population are unfuckable. That’s a little melodramatic.

Weight by itself is meaningless. Two people who weigh the same can look very different depending on height, percentage of muscle vs. body fat, how fat is distributed, body proportions, etc. I weigh more than 150 but I’m tall, with a mesomorphic build. Weighing less than 150 would put me at a below normal BMI, would be hard to sustain without a severely restricted diet and hours of daily exercise, and would be very unhealthy in the long run.

Roosh doesn’t care about any of that, because to him, being skinny is a signal of sexual submissiveness. If a woman is willing to starve herself to maintain a figure, he figures it means she’ll be willing to sacrifice other things in order to maintain a relationship. Roosh associates being fat with self-indulgence, which is the worst sin a woman can commit. (All the blather about thinness equaling fertility is just that, blather – MRAs don’t actually want babies, and there’s no correlation between body size and ability to get pregnant, except slightly reduced fertility at both extremes of the BMI spectrum)

My friends and I used to joke about “asshole pounds” as a unit of measure, because when we did online dating it was clear there were certain guys who had no clue what a reasonable height-weight proportion was, or what the average woman weighs. They’d try to guess your weight and be twenty pounds under. Or they’d say their ideal woman was 5’10”, 110 lbs because that’s what they read in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. So my friends and I would jokingly say to each other, “In asshole pounds, I weigh 135!” It was a very handy unit of measurement.

fmarouet2012
9 years ago

re: entertainment, they were laughing *at him* not with him.

FossilFishy
FossilFishy
9 years ago

Wow, over and above Roosh being Roosh on national TV, I’m have a little difficulty in accepting that Dr. Oz, pseudo-science dispensing quack that he is, got something right.

Ah well, praise where it’s due: good on yah Oz

Now if you could just stop misleading people by endorsing “MIRACLE!!11!!” cures for which there is no credible evidence that’d be swell too.

isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

@fmarouet, who was laughing?

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

This is absolutely priceless. I can’t even (lol).

I’m getting ready to savor this event and its aftermath as fully as it deserves, as soon as my tea is ready (why does Roosh avoid t-bags, BTW? is it some fear of homosexual associations perhaps?).

Dr. Oz has just scored some points in the midst of so much negative publicity. Who knew? Too bad he did not fully expose the awful truth about Doosh, though.

erika
erika
9 years ago

I should tell the guys who want to fuck me that I’m unfuckable because I’m 165 pounds. MORE FOOL THEM!!!

Jason
Jason
9 years ago

Boo.
Effing.
Hoo.

Bina
9 years ago

He expects to be able to mercilessly fat-shame women (and hair-shame, and tattoo-shame, and age-shame, and slut-shame….anything that doesn’t meet his exacting erectile standards), yet he also expects to be loved no matter what he looks like, says, or does.

Or in the case of wiping his ass, showering regularly, etc., fails/neglects/doesn’t want to/whines if he has to do.

friday jones
friday jones
9 years ago

“…claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive…”

Wait whut? The whole “thin = beauty” thing is only a few decades old. You don’t even have to go back as far as Rubens to see Marilyn Monroe was like a size 12 and was considered a sex symbol. And extremely low body fat is linked by medical studies to irregular menstruation and sometimes no menstruation at all.

Also, the Venus of Willendorf would beg to differ with this buffoon.

friday jones
friday jones
9 years ago

He doesn’t like tea in bags, he’d better not go on Larry Wilmore’s show. Or wait, no, he SHOULD go on Larry Wilmore’s show, Larry would take him apart verbally.

GiJoel
GiJoel
9 years ago

You know Roosh if you wanted to you could be a soldier right now. Wait, what’s that. No, being a soldier doesn’t mean you get to sneer at fat people. Yes, you will be put in harm’s way.

Wait where are you going, Roosh?

Robert
Robert
9 years ago

This was a real ‘stopped clock is right twice a day ‘ event. It may have been the first time Dr. Oz has been right about something, and I’m glad it resulted in Roosh being humiliated on national television. How could he have imagined that this would turn out well?

Oh, right – he’s Roosh.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

LMAO at asshole pounds. Very clever.

Choice bits from the synopsis of the show (Buttercup Q. Skullpants mentioned already the first one):

“Roosh said the women in his life love him for who he is”

Bwahahaha! Sure they do. Somewhere in the yet undiscovered tiny corner of Earth, which he has not polluted with his presence.

‘Dr Oz said, “I’m asking these questions because I’m trying to figure out why you’re so screwed up.”’

Gotta hand it to Dr. Oz, he tells it like it is. Sometimes.

Ditto below:

“Dr Oz said what keeps the globe spinning is morality and he believes that some pieces of Roosh’s brain are missing.”

Oh, man, this is unreal.

I’m grateful to Oz for not mincing words, but can’t shake off the impression that having Doosh on to publicly humiliate is some way of deflecting current criticisms from Oz’s own questionable actions. Inviting such an openly depraved individual like Doosh to his program for ridicule seems a tad desperate and way too easy.

All the same, it was rewarding (a low bar indeed, lol).

th1stle
th1stle
9 years ago

“Fat women are a health issue!”

…Says the man who has unprotected sex with countless women without bothering to get tested.

I don’t know, Roosh, sounds like you’re the health issue…

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

On the thin = objectively attractive thing, it’s hilarious that it always comes from evo psych bros. What would the evolutionary basis for that be? Wider hips are advantageous for child birth. Weight gain after a pregnancy helps the next baby have a higher birth rate. Young skinny girls are at higher risk for dying in childbirth than women who are a little older and heavier.

Yet they all claim a preference for youth and skinniness is a biotruth. They never offer any evidence other than their boners of course.

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Birth weight, not rate. I don’t type good!

katz
9 years ago

“I was preparing to go onto the battlefield with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “army” and “lots of enemies with big weapons.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the commanders who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to an actual battle. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.”

M.
M.
9 years ago

Huh. Considering that siding with Roosh would have helped Dr Scam Artist sell more of his weight-loss snake oil, I’m genuinely impressed with the quack.

(As a side note: I take it Roosh likes short women? Because I’m pretty sure it’s not physically possible to be all of 6’1, under 150 and healthy. I suppose women taller than him “Emasculate” him somehow, since he’s about as sexually secure as a plane wing held on by rubber bands and happy thoughts.)

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
9 years ago

To be totally fair, loose leaf tea is much better than tea bags; the flavors are much better.

This is probably the only thing Roosh has been right about for years, though.

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9 years ago

@Jarnsaxa

Roosh was right about something at one point?

I refuse to believe this.

friday jones
friday jones
9 years ago

“…he’s about as sexually secure as a plane wing held on by rubber bands and happy thoughts…”

This is Roosh we’re talking about, he only has a right wing.

Bryce
Bryce
9 years ago

Public Service Announcement: guy who ‘takes liberties’ with drunk, barely-legal age girls. knowingly spreads STD’s, expresses heartfelt concerns about obesity and women’s health!

On a side note; I’m curious as to why the fat acceptance movement seems to be exclusively about women, as if men are expected to take all the derogatory comments as light-hearted joshing.

Chrysler
Chrysler
9 years ago

“Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.”

To be fair, this is hella entertaining, just not in the way Roosh wants it to be.

Litschi
Litschi
9 years ago

Puh… The second great Pickup Artist I see on tv, who is all about body language and how to seduce the girl, however can barely look their conversation partner in the eyes or even sit straight up… Seriously, remove this poor guys from their wolfpack, an they become puppies again!
Being nervous on tv ist absolutly normal! It’s just so embarrasing, because these guys usually like to talk about, how cool they are and what great people persons and how they amaze the masses and so on…

And saying how shitty and ugly women in general are, is their way to rationalize why they are not fucking as much as they like to do. It’s not because they are not that pleasant to be with. No! It’s just, that there are no suitable women out there!

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