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Roosh V: seduced and abandoned by The Dr. Oz Show

Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan
Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan

So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.

Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”

Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)

In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”

As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers

smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”

After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”

Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.

So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?

Here’s Roosh’s version of events:

I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.

I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.

Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.

Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.

Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.

After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.

At one point, Roosh reports,

I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.

Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.

I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.

Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.

Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.

Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:

Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.

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Bina
Bina
9 years ago

@anonz: Roosh? Is that YOU?

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

Inquiring minds want to know: what’s a tundra pig???

I looked up pig habitats – it seems pigs can live almost anywhere where they can forage for food, but I’m not sure they’d find much to eat on the tundra. The only hit I found for “tundra pig” was Urban Dictionary: “A large woman generally (but not always) from the frozen tundra of Minnesota.” (Second sentence omitted for being insulting and stupid.)

So I guess Minnesota = tundra. Of course. Meanwhile, I’m finding it hard to type from inside the giant block of ice that is Canada.

Megadittoes.

Of course, in our circumpolar regions, there’s not a pig to be found. Bears, yes, and walruses, and even the odd narwhal, but no pigs.

I guess our troll wants us to feel insulted, but I’m too busy pointing and laughing at him, and picturing one of the Nice Guys™ of OKCupid.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
9 years ago

Ok, does anyone else thinking that this was pretty tame by all accounts?

Like, Roosh writes that these were “his worst quotes” that Dr Oz was “cherry picking.” Frankly, Roosh should just be glad that no mention was made of what he has published about eating disorders, rape apologia, and his outright admission of rape in one of his books. Really, the dude got off super light.

I’m amused by all of this none the less. Especially Roosh’s shock SHOCK that everyone outside of his little echo chamber find him and his ideas repulsive.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

@chronic
Remember that Roosh is one of those “but you took me out of conteeeeeeext!” guys when cornered with their own words. Or “it was satire!” if he thinks he can get away with it.

God I wish he’d tried to play the ‘satire’ card on the Oz show. They would have made mincemeat out of him.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
9 years ago

That would have been glorious XD

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

@sunnysombrera: So, he’s a walking example of Schrödinger’s Douchebag.

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Bina – yay! Canadians!

Also, ending an argument with “You’re fat!” isn’t exactly stellar debating, anonz. Just sayin’.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

@chronic

Since the topic was fat shaming, I think going after him for his admission of being a rapist would have probably been seen as off-topic. That’s a shame, because everyone needs to know that he’s a rapist just for their own personal safety.

Hambeast, Social Justice Hoo-Ha Glitterer
Hambeast, Social Justice Hoo-Ha Glitterer
9 years ago

Tundra pig is amusing, but it still doesn’t beat hambeast for the sheer giggle factor. At least for me.

I also find it funny that Rooshie seems terrified that there won’t be enough thin women for him to *ahem* “bang.”

Nequam
Nequam
9 years ago

… [assuming] no one in the army minds if he doesn’t brush his teeth or wipe his bottom.

Oh, it’d be something to see him subjected to “GI Scrubs”.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

@Paradoxical
Yup. But then, he is a rapist, and rapists test the waters of their social circles to see if their ‘bros’ will defend them if one of their victims ever blows the whistle. In other words, it’s not surprising that Roosh pulls stunts like that to see what he can get away with. But yes, he does seem oddly surprised that people outside of his bubble don’t like him.

Self awareness has never been his strong point.

Sarah
Sarah
9 years ago

Well, I’ll admit that I have no clue who this Oz or what his TV show is, but…

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is awesome. I thought only emotional, feeble-minded females lent themselves to be masterfully manipulated and used by rational and intelectually superior men like Roosh? So the King of all “seductive” PUAssholes was duped with freakin’ TV ladies and their GREEN TEA?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So Rooshie, you feel sad that someone approached you with foul intentions and posed dishonestly and got what they wanted by playing with your feelings, and now you feel used, humiliated and everyone thinks you’re an idiot?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And then if that wasn’t enough, that pathetic romantization of the past… fucking wars and sexual war crimes?

HA…

Btw that kind of explains that he was invited to TV. When you are so desperate for attention that you will claim the most extreme stupidities to get traffic, yeah you eventually get the attention.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for this David 🙂

Mitchel
9 years ago

I didn’t actually get to see the interview as I working. The bad thing about this, though, Roosh’s audience will probably grow 🙁

tenya
tenya
9 years ago

We leave the TV on at work and my coworkers started discussing “it’s some guy that thinks he’s helping fat women by being mean to them or something.” and then I heard Dr. Oz say “Roosh” and I really thought it could not be true. Who let him on national TV?? WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? How could anyone, even Dr. Oz who is already pretty reality challenged, think that Roosh V has any effect on anything, much less is heading some kind of movement? I only wish they’d given the audience rotten vegetables to throw! It was just surreal.
Although it was kind of funny to see the “No! You’re a bully! Bullying is always wrong! You’re a wrong bad man!” kind of confrontation directed to Roosh – though seriously, he deserves so much more.

Although a tad ironic that Dr. Oz will then turn around and try to convince his audience that if they don’t buy this new great weightless product tomorrow they’re going to DIE FROM THE FATZ but that isn’t in any way bullying.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
9 years ago

Not being the biggest fan of Dr. Oz (mostly due to his support of medical quackery), I’m still happy he got someone like Roosh on the show and rightfully took them down a peg.

The mention of wasting an opportunity to present a case reminded me of one thing: Alex Jones. I’m not the biggest Piers Morgan fan either, but the fact he sat there and waited to respond – as Jones went on one continuous rant – made him look better. Jones just proved his critics right by acting the way he did.

Same goes with his appearance on a BBC news program, wherein (like an obnoxious five-year-old) decided to just mock the host and other guest’s British accents most of the time. Again, he made himself look bad and anyone who thinks he was “tricked” are likely just as bad as he is.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

sunnysombrera | April 28, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Self awareness has never been his strong point.

Don’t worry, I’m still working out The Curse of Threefold Self Awareness.

FifthInterval
9 years ago

Anyone who says “objectively more attractive” is stupid beyond words.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
9 years ago

Most people on the internet don’t seem to understand what “objectivity” means, really.

Myriad
Myriad
9 years ago

So Doosh got a taste of his own medicine and didn’t like the taste of it. Yet still no self awareness. Color me surprised.

jy3
jy3
9 years ago

Is 150 a lot for women? I ask because I’m 160, short, not particularly muscular, and pretty skinny.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

Roosh is objectively one of the most unattractive people ever to exist.

BTW, if anyone can find a YouTube of this episode, please post it. I wanna witness the humiliation in glorious Technicolor, if not live.

Tracy
Tracy
9 years ago

They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

So is that like a reverse neg? Or would it be some sort of emotional kino escalation?

From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

Because he’s an expert on obesity? I’ve never watched Oz’s show (nor will I, because I think he’s reprehensible) but it’s not difficult to figure out why a daytime talk show might be bringing you on when you run what’s basically a shock blog.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic

*facepalm*

I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 years ago

When someone like Roosh leaves the safety of his bubble and comes into contact with the real world, it’s so entertaining. He’s so used to being surrounded by ass-kissing sycophants and thinking of himself as a king, it must have been a tremendous shock to realize he was the villain. On the Dr. Oz show, of all places. On national television.

He had his chance to make his case, and he blew it. He didn’t even have a case to make, because it’s all about him and his boner:

It’s sad that every year, me, a straight man, has less options to date a thin, beautiful girl. Every year women are getting larger and larger. It has to be stopped in some way.

Roosh doesn’t give a damn about women’s health, except insofar as it can be quantified by the Sexual Marketplace in order to enhance his own value. (A chick with +8 Health earns you +3 Notch Points!). He’s not a nutritionist, or a therapist, or a trainer, or a doctor. He has zero qualifications to be discussing the “obesity epidemic” on TV. He’s just a random jerk who wants to bully women and knock them down a few pegs.

What made him think Dr. Oz was going to take him seriously, as a thinker?

Oh, right: his massive, swollen ego.

It’s also entertaining to watch him scurry back to his blog to try to repair and said ego by insulting Dr. Oz and reminding everyone he totes would have been a soldier hundreds of years ago so therefore we all should award him the same number of Alpha Manly Respect Points as actual combat veterans, or something. Yeah, and hundreds of years ago I totes would have been Cleopatra. Wait, why aren’t slaves fanning me and peeling my grapes?

More likely he would have been some feudal vassal toiling his life away for someone else’s benefit; or stabbed to death for selling underweight bread adulterated with lead shot.

Oh, and here’s another choice irony-meter buster (from a synopsis of the show at Wellbuzz):

He also said the women in his life love him for who he is.

1. What women?
2. HAHAHAHAHAHA
3. Oh, he’s serious?
4. He expects to be able to mercilessly fat-shame women (and hair-shame, and tattoo-shame, and age-shame, and slut-shame….anything that doesn’t meet his exacting erectile standards), yet he also expects to be loved no matter what he looks like, says, or does. I can’t even wrap my mind around the dimensions of his hypocrisy. It just goes on and on forever, with no up or down or left or right or inside or outside. He’s a Klein bottle of stupid.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Is 150 a lot for women?

No. That’s only one of many things that makes Roosh’s (and other’s) fat shaming so insidious and harmful. Even if their health story was true, the degree of thinness they demand of women goes deep into underweight territory known to be unhealthy. That alone should tell anyone that the health aspect isn’t even concern trolling – it’s just flatly a socially-acceptable excuse to meddle in someone else’s personal business.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 years ago

Oops, missed a blockquote up there (Roosh’s quote on how fat women give him the sadz because it reduces his dating pool puddle.)