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Roosh V: seduced and abandoned by The Dr. Oz Show

Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan
Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan

So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.

Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”

Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)

In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”

As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers

smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”

After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”

Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.

So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?

Here’s Roosh’s version of events:

I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.

I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.

Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.

Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.

Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.

After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.

At one point, Roosh reports,

I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.

Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.

I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.

Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.

Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.

Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:

Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.

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Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
9 years ago

The OP is my favorite thing today. Especially that little detail Roosh threw in about his dislike for bagged teas. Much alpha, very sophisticated, wow.

Oh, wait, no, there’s this too…

Between your general lack of integrity and the hopeless tundra pigs you pander to

Damn these MRA’s! I just got over my longing to change my name to Flying Mandelbrot as an homage to the lyrical stylings of 90’s-era Theodore Beale. Now anonz comes in and tempts with more possibilities. Flying Tundra Pig has a nice ring to it. Whimsical, yet sturdy enough to last the winter.

Button
Button
9 years ago

…Fuck. I share Roosh’s taste in tea.

I was just gonna order some lu an gua pian and now I’m second guessing myself :-

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

It sound likes Dr Oz, the producers and women he debated were maintaining frame with Roosh, he should respect their alpha behavior.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
9 years ago

…thin women are objectively more attractive…

This bothers me every time I see it. Attraction is by definition a relative phenomenon. It deals with a relation between two things. Z is attracted to Y. You can’t talk about attractiveness as if it were an intrinsic property like mass or something. If there’s nothing/no one you’re attractive to, then you’re not attractive.

Alex
Alex
9 years ago

OMG this blog is pure gold.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

@Button

Fear not. There are many kinds of tea, and even if by chance you share a favorite with Roosh that says nothing about you or the tea.

(My favorite loose-leaf tea is, of course, shincha houryoku, which is just coming into season and my mouth is literally watering thinking about it.)

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
9 years ago

I like hibiscus tea.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

What’s stopping Roosh from being a soldier?

Probably the risk-of-being-sent-to-war part. I don’t know why he seems to believe that he would have had more chance of coming out unharmed hundreds of years ago. He would have had MORE chance of being hurt/killed, seeing as their technology and intelligence services were nothing like what we have today and wars were fought on the battlefield. Oh yeah, and if you got stabbed you either died of infection, because there was no penicillin; died of blood loss, because medical techniques weren’t up to scratch; or at best got cauterised without anaesthetic.

Oh, and men get raped during war too, Roosh. You fucking idiot.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

@Bryce

I was under the impression that Roosh was a marginal figure, even within the MRM, but now he’s made his way onto daytime television…

Why the hell is this odious guy being given a platform? (Such as it is.)

https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/22/merry-christmas-paul-we-hunted-the-mammoth-is-drawing-more-traffic-than-a-voice-for-men/comment-page-1/#comments

Last December, David mentioned that while WHTM was getting more hits than AVfM, Roosh’s site was depressingly popular.

Sadly, Roosh still out-traffics both WHTM and AVFM. Though according to Alexa I’m catching up to Heartiste, which is slipping. Given that Alexa is just estimating traffic for both sites, and that it seems to undercount my traffic, I may actually be ahead of him too.

I remember this because David mentioned he should probably cover Roosh and Co more due to his popularity, even though that meant he’d actually have to make himself read the bile at Rooosh’s shitball site.

smithshadow
smithshadow
9 years ago

Roosh V has posted a response video to Dr Oz on (c)RoK and YouTube, apparently. It seems his blog post did not fully express his feelings of being seduced and abandoned.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
9 years ago

@smithshadow

Is it over an hour long?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Did Roosh record the video from the bathtub, or put a skull in the background? I’m not sure I’m up to any youtube right now that doesn’t contain at least one of those elements.

smithshadow
smithshadow
9 years ago

@Banana Jackie Cake

12.09 minutes, according to YouTube. I am fighting the temptation to watch it.

Truthfully, there is not temptation. I don’t even wish to view the Dr Oz segment which features him.

smithshadow
smithshadow
9 years ago

I mean no temptation!!!!!!

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
9 years ago

Ahaha, Roosh getting humiliated on national TV! 😀

Day. Made.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

I love how anonz just came in here and called us all “fat”, like xie’s opinion about my body weight isn’t parroting everything I’ve ever heard in high school ever, or like it’s going to hurt my (or anyone else’s) fee-fees, or like I care what some random Roosh fan on the internet thinks about my body weight or its relation to their genitals.

One one cares, Louise.

Hambeast, Social Justice Hoo-Ha Glitterer
Hambeast, Social Justice Hoo-Ha Glitterer
9 years ago

@Tessa:

Oh wow, he was born the same year as me… My birth year will be forever tainted.

I know what you mean; Dr. Oz was born two days before me. (I had to wiki him to see if he was really an M.D. or not.) Bleh.

Also, I think Rooshie might be getting too old for the military (in the U.S. anyhow.) And, as a USAF veteran, I can tell you from experience that the whole personal cleanliness thing is NOT optional. No waivers will be given for green teeth or stanky butts.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
9 years ago

@smithshadow

If it were anyone but Roosh, I’d applaud them for not have an hour long tirade. However, fuck Roosh, any video of his is too long. Also any blog posts.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

anonz

you’re so desperate to get one over on your mortal enemy

“Mortal enemy”? Lighten up, Francis, David is critiquing and mocking Roosh, not challenging him to pistols at dawn. PUAs are so melodramatic.

Alex Rogan
Alex Rogan
9 years ago

Imagine if the show gave him tea bags? He probably would of likened it to a war crime. Not the holocaust, obviously

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

Once again Roosh V proves to be a student, nay a scholar of human behavior. Adult woman stick out their tongues or wag their fingers at strangers to express disapproval unless, of course, they have rotten vegetables to hurl instead.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Inquiring minds want to know: what’s a tundra pig???

I looked up pig habitats – it seems pigs can live almost anywhere where they can forage for food, but I’m not sure they’d find much to eat on the tundra. The only hit I found for “tundra pig” was Urban Dictionary: “A large woman generally (but not always) from the frozen tundra of Minnesota.” (Second sentence omitted for being insulting and stupid.)

So I guess Minnesota = tundra. Of course. Meanwhile, I’m finding it hard to type from inside the giant block of ice that is Canada.

Orion
Orion
9 years ago

There are still soldiers, but most of them don’t end up fighting battles. If you find meaning in a life of service, that’s great. If, like Roosh, you want to escape from the burden of participating in society, that’s a shame.

isidore13
isidore13
9 years ago

I want Roosh to escape from the burden of participating in society too! Where’s that MGTOW island?! He can join them there and they can all be, like, the Lord of the Flies and stuff. Please can they all go be like the Lord of the Flies.

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

Also, I think Rooshie might be getting too old for the military (in the U.S. anyhow.) And, as a USAF veteran, I can tell you from experience that the whole personal cleanliness thing is NOT optional. No waivers will be given for green teeth or stanky butts.

Yeah, the only branch he could join at 35 is the Coast Guard. Not much manly invading of countries there. But surely he could’ve joined when he was 20.
It’s hilarious he has this idea of being a soldier in times he couldn’t possibly be one, but when he could, he mysteriously didn’t become one. Deliciously hypocritical.