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Roosh V: seduced and abandoned by The Dr. Oz Show

Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan
Roosh faces off against Dr. Oz and his tan

So our old dear friend Roosh Valizadeh — the not-quite-Nazi pickup artist and rape legalization advocate — appeared on The Dr. Oz Show today. No, really.

Dr. Oz brought him on to elucidate the “fat shaming”campaign that he launched a couple of years ago to fight back against the women who torment him daily by being too big to please his boner. Apparently, at least in the eyes of Dr. Oz and his producers, Roosh is the “leader of the international fat shaming movement.”

Shockingly. neither Dr. Oz nor his mostly female studio audience were grateful for Roosh’s work on this front. Oz pointed out that fat shaming doesn’t work — all it really accomplishes is to make people feel shitty about themselves — and brought out a number of unapologetically fat women to confront him. Roosh responded by robotically repeating his talking points. (If you missed the show, you can watch a snippet of it here or read a recap here.)

In many ways more interesting than the show itself is Roosh’s reaction to it. In a blog post today, Roosh complains that he “was backstabbed by Dr. Oz and his female producers.”

As he tells it, these devious females sweet talked him to get him on the show, telling him what he wanted to hear and treating him “courteous[ly] and professional[ly].” On the day of the show, as they prepped him for his appearance, staffers

smiled at me and seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say about fat shaming, and one even went so far as to offer aid in obtaining the loose leaf green tea that I desired (I avoid bagged teas whenever possible). From the behavior they showed me, it was safe to assume that I was about to have an honest conversation about the obesity issue on mainstream American television.

And then Dr. Oz called him a “monster” on national TV, and made him talk to some fat women who didn’t much appreciate his “help.”

After his segment, Roosh reports, “[t]he backstage hands didn’t even look at me.”

Yep, that’s right. The proudly amoral “pickup artist” is complaining that he was seduced, used, and abandoned.

So what exactly did the mean Dr. Oz do to poor Mr. Valizadeh?

Here’s Roosh’s version of events:

I was ushered backstage and did a microphone test for the sound engineer. There were several monitors above where I could see the studio set. I looked up at one and saw Dr. Oz introducing me. I was preparing to go on the stage with a slight smile, but that notion quickly evaporated when I heard the word “monster” and “bringing him out from the shadows.” Instantly, I knew I was walking into a trap. I looked around, half hoping for a hug or some assurance that everything was going to be okay, but realized that the staff who were so cheery earlier knew all along that they were ushering me to a public execution. They sedated me with niceities so I would not be mentally prepared for what was about to happen.

I’m sorry, but my irony meter just burst into flames.

I shook Dr. Oz’s hand, the man who just called me a monster, out of instinct. The lights were bright but not in my face, making it hard to see the 200 people in the audience. I counted three cameras with teleprompters attached and didn’t know if I should look at them or not. My mouth suddenly felt dry.

Dr. Oz’s attack began by cherry picking the meanest quotes I’ve ever written and asking me to justify them. I got out my shovel, ready to work, but every time I climbed up the edge, Dr. Oz would push me back in by saying I was “screwed up” or offer some type of emotional outburst before wild applause by the audience. I have been to European soccer games with less emotion.

Having read a great deal of Mr. V’s writings over the past several years, I feel safe in saying that the quotes Dr. Oz read back to Roosh — that men would “rather die than have sex with a woman over 150 pounds,” that only ugly people and feminists think that beauty is on the inside — were not “the meanest quotes [he’s] ever written.” Not even close. Nor did Roosh’s segments on the show much resemble a soccer match — or even a Jerry Springer show. It was actually fairly tame, by daytime talk show standards.

I tried to take the conversation out of feelings and into logic by claiming that thin women are objectively more attractive and that obesity is causing huge public health problems, but they specifically wanted to focus on me and my “hatred” and all the feelings I’m hurting. The debate was framed in a way to not bring up facts that went against the party line.

Not really. Roosh was given a good deal of time in which he could have set forth his “facts.” He simply didn’t have any facts to report. Even aside from Roosh’s assholery, his entire “fat shaming” campaign is built upon a premise that numerous studies have found to be false; on the show, Roosh more or less admitted that he’s done precisely zero actual research on the issue.

After frothing up the audience to despise me, Dr. Oz initiated the two minutes of hate. He found the fattest women in the New York area and put them on steel reinforced seats to insult me as they wished. The crowd cheered and applauded after each fat woman gave her prepared diatribe. It was at this point I started examining the crowd of mostly women. I made eye contact with a few to see if they would stick their tongue out at me or wag their finger, but they didn’t. They were motionless mannequins that waited for the flashing studio light to give a response.

I’m not quite sure why Roosh expected women to stick their tongues out at him like three-year-olds, but whenever Oz’s producers cut to the audience, I didn’t see “motionless mannequins”; I saw women incredulous and disgusted by what he had to say. If anyone on the show appeared robotic, it was Roosh.

At one point, Roosh reports,

I looked at Dr. Oz and wondered if he would cap it all off by punching me. It would make for good television, at least.

Towards the end of his appearance, Roosh continues,.

I squeezed in a decent bit about how fat acceptance shortens everyone’s life spans, and I heard a gasp from somewhere as if what I said was shocking, and realized that my statement will probably be edited out.

Nope. It wasn’t. Again, Roosh had plenty of opportunity to present his case, such as it is; it’s not Dr. Oz’ fault that the “leader of the international fat shaming movement” didn’t have much of a case to present.

Which makes sense, because it’s blindingly obvious that Roosh doesn’t actually care about the well-being of fat women (or men); he just wants them to feel shitty.

Yet he still feels, somehow, that he is trying to save Western Civilization. Before he went on the show, he writes, he delivered the following monologue to a friend of his who went with him to the taping:

Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. But here I am, with makeup on my face, about to talk about fat people, because now the world values entertainment more than anything else. They want singers and actors and famous people to make them forget about their boring lives, and even women we meet want the same. I was given some type of ability by god or nature so that I am wanted here right now in this building during this strange time of humanity, and so I will use that ability, and give everyone their entertainment.

Sorry to break it to you, Roosh, but you’re not nearly as entertaining as you think you are.

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because reasons
because reasons
5 years ago

You’re fat, loose some weight

I see we have an expert on our panel! And where should I “loose” this weight to, sir? Jesus, tap-dancing Christ.
Go get an education you insufferable ass. Or keep your hate to yourself. Ignorant shits like you are a big part of what’s wrong with the world. And by the way, we don’t need your concern trolling, judgement, or anything else for that matter. You don’t get to tell other people what they should look like or do with their lives. Fuck off.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

They sit on their ass while they should be working out.

Why should they be working out? “Ought” statements are generally moral ones, and you are certainly making a moral statement in this case. Why is it morally wrong for a person you don’t know, have never met, and will never meet, to be fat? Why is a complete stranger’s weight a moral issue for you?

Women are a cash cow for the economy.

Methinks “hippiefreak” is not actually a hippie (I have no information on the freak part).

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@hippiefreak

Women are a cash cow for the economy.

Half the population offers positive cash flow for the entire economy? You realize that this is gibberish, right?

Maybe not because the rest is gibberish too.

The public secret is that it is easy to separate women from their money. Big Business knows they can tell women what they want to hear and the cash rolls in. It is profitable to tell women anything that does not make them upset. Roosh makes them upset. Big Business sells women fat pills. One slips under women’s radar. One doesn’t.

I’m going to take a stab in the dark here and guess that you aren’t an economist. Guess what, amorphous “big business” doesn’t care what Roosh says on a daytime talk show.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that Roosh’s entire business model revolves around him pandering to insecure young men and that he bashes women because that’s what passes for entertainment for his male readership. Roosh, like all professional PUAs, is a huckster who creates the illusion of dating expertise in order to sell it to his readership. He also milks or outright manufactures controversy for publicity and possible profit, for example, his obviously fraudulent and just plain ridiculous claim to be a “leader” of a non-existent “fat shaming movement”. He slapped together the crap gamer site Reaxxion as fast as he could in a transparent attempt to make money off of Gamer Gate.

Roosh doesn’t merely tell a certain group exactly what it wants to hear, he manages to sell it to them for profit.

because reasons
because reasons
5 years ago

@POM
Methinks “cow” is never a good way to refer to women. Also, I wasn’t aware there was such a thing as “fat pills”. I’d totally shell out money, no questions asked, for anyone trying to sell me these magic pills…that make people fat…oh wait, no I wouldn’t. Just like I don’t buy any ol’ snake oil that’s being marketed. Any product that sells to people’s insecurities is going to sell well. And as long as society is maintaining women’s insecurities, we will be consumers of said products. This doesn’t make women vain or stupid or whatever asshats think. It’s too complicated for my feeble lady-brain to explain, but sexism and patriarchy and rape culture and fat shaming=bad.
Sorry if that doesn’t make sense, I am really tired.

because reasons
because reasons
5 years ago

and in case it wasn’t clear I was agreeing with the wise POM. 🙂

Nop
Nop
5 years ago

“I looked around, half hoping for a hug”
HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!
I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning, it smells like, uh, something that smells pretty damn good.

Maxx
Maxx
5 years ago

The fat epidemic disproportionally affects women. Dr Oz had an anorexia show, yet the fat epidemic effects women by a factor of over a 100 times more. Yet Dr Oz’s core viewing demographic are these very unhealthy fat heifers who have in mass chosen bad dietary habits leading to serious health, mobility issues and burdening all those around them.
Rosh is doing more to help theses fatties and future fatties by pointing out the obvious, they are unattractive and unwanted for there choices. Hopefully a few will make better choices. Oz is just stroking the egos of the women viewing his show. Oz acknowledging there is a serious problem that he has no answer to would be a good start, pretending its not a problem when it is clearly is Dr Oz’s cure. Women are heard creatures, they follow. On other shows Dr Oz talks about sugar addiction, clearly something the fatties Dr Oz had lined up are into.

A lot of what Rosh is about is addressing hypocrisy which Dr Oz feels is necessary to maintain.
YouTube “MGTOW Sandman”

Mike Arsenault
5 years ago

“Hundreds of years ago, I would have been a soldier, fighting battles to defend my country against invaders, or invading another tribe to steal their women and land. ”

The best part? He could be a soldier if he wanted to RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW! Every major military force in the world is recruiting, don’t be shy Roosh! BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE!

hippiefreak
hippiefreak
5 years ago

@Hector Andres Ochoa
“They sit on their ass while they should be working out.”

Did you read the response to your statement where she waxes philosophical as a device to misdirect, asking why should women work out? She talked around the content of your words, hoping no one noticed. I noticed.

@brooked
“Half the population offers positive cash flow for the entire economy? You realize that this is gibberish, right?”

Yes, I agree, what you wrote is gibberish. It’s not what I wrote. Why must you restate my words into something you know you don’t believe, and then pretend I said it? I’m not falling for this trick.

Hector, this woman loves conflict to the extent that she will further it with fabrication.

@because reasons
“Methinks “cow” is never a good way to refer to women.”

That’s on women. It’s my fault to assume women have higher order thinking skills and are not victimized by their own petty reactions. Yours is just an attempt to disable me, but I saw you coming.

“Also, I wasn’t aware there was such a thing as “fat pills”.”

Who, other than you, decided that you are all-knowing? Who other than you? Let’s change that phrase to be “fat remedies” if that will finally bring out your inner adult and turn off the spotlight you placed on yourself here.

Now, if women can learn to set aside their conversational tricks that I’ve identify above, perhaps their minds will be more attractive.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

She talked around the content of your words, hoping no one noticed. I noticed.

Why must you restate my words into something you know you don’t believe, and then pretend I said it? I’m not falling for this trick.

Yours is just an attempt to disable me, but I saw you coming.

Now, if women can learn to set aside their conversational tricks that I’ve identify above, perhaps their minds will be more attractive.

It’s adorable that you think anyone even remotely remembers what the hell you’re talking about at this point. You may want jump back in and restart arguments from a two month old thread, but no one else does.

Here’s a conversational trick I use: I only respond to ongoing conversations that people are currently engaged with and interested in discussing.

hippiefreak
hippiefreak
5 years ago

@brooked

“I only respond to ongoing conversations that people are currently engaged with and interested in discussing.”

And yet you take the time to respond. Insincerity. Another trait worth documenting here. Thank you for volunteering.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

That’s on women. It’s my fault to assume women have higher order thinking skills and are not victimized by their own petty reactions.

No. If you’re childish enough to name call, that’s on you.

hippiefreak
hippiefreak
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

“No. If you’re childish enough to name call, that’s on you.”

No, I had used the older term “cash cow” and someone suggested it could be demeaning to women. Can’t imagine who would bother to act offended by that except someone who was trying to distract. No name-calling was involved.

Daria
Daria
4 years ago

Hi David

I am an admirer of wehuntedthemammoth and I promoted your articles many times all over Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and Reddit

There are some rapes done by Roosh that you did not mention yet ( here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sn8ggk )

and also the fact that Roosh has been purchasing FAKE reviews like crazy

More than 234,000 women all over the world condemned Roosh and signed several petitions, in fear of their lives:

http://www.change.org/p/amazon-com-amazon-stop-selling-rooshv-daryush-valizadeh-rape-books

January 2016 Roosh purchased once again another 450 fake fresh five-star reviews for his Amazon rape guides this week, in a new desperate attempt to rise his sales.

Unfortunately, Amazon is the most important promoter of his rape guides, and Roosh desperately needs their 400 millions customers base.

You probably remember that Roosh did the same fraudulent action four months ago and got caught by Sir_Marcus from GamerGhazi too:

http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/3jpd7y/canadas_favorite_selfdescribed_rapist_roosh_v_is/

Roosh bought again for both “Bang” and “Day Bang” an avalanche of more than 450 fake five-star reviews in the last few days, almost every few minutes there is a new fake review of five-stars written.

Here are some examples of these new fake five-star reviews, they seem to be written people who put in minimum effort:

http://imgur.com/a/V68wx

The “Bang” rape guides promoted by Amazon continue to be the largest profit makers for Roosh, estimated sales bringing him more than 45,000 dollars profit each month

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