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Still fuming over their expulsion from the Calgary Expo, the Honey Badgers demand justice. And money. Lots of money.

The Honey Badgers at A Voice for Men's conference last summer
The Honey Badgers at A Voice for Men’s conference last summer

The Honey Badger Brigade — the all-female-except-not-really gaggle of antifeminist YouTubers — has been raising money, and quite a lot of it, to pay their possible legal bills as they seek “legal redress” against the Calgary Expo for booting them from the event.

So far they’ve raised nearly $14,000 of their goal of $40,000, which they say “will be used for legal costs and costs directly related to our ejection from the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo,” whatever that means. That gives them some wiggle room.  As “victims” go, they’re pros.

On the group’s fundraising page, the Badgers accuse the Expo of tossing them out

due to our Men’s Rights Activism and unpopular view of modern feminism. Therefore it is our belief that the actions taken by the Calgary Expo staff were of a political nature and contravene the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in particular freedom of conscience, freedom of thought and freedom of association.

Apparently this is one of the most important civil right struggles of our time.

While the Expo hasn’t given a clear reason for why the Honey Badgers were evicted, I’m guessing it’s not for the group’s “view of modern feminism” but because the group came to the expo flying the figurative flag of GamerGate, a loosely organized but highly virulent harassment campaign disguised, not very convincingly, as a campaign for “ethics in game journalism.” Oh, and possibly because they seem to have gotten into the expo under false pretenses.

Even if we were to assume that the Honey Badgers were booted for being Men’s Rights Activists, there is a teensy bit of irony to their complaint. You see, the HBB is closely tied to Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men. Indeed the two most visible HB’s — Alison Tieman and Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan — are volunteer staffers on the AVFM masthead, as is HB hanger-on Sage Gerard.

Last summer, most or all of the HBB attended AVFM’s first conference, held outside Detroit; Straughan spoke at it. Here they are posing with their AVFM comrades.

Honey Badgers and friends at the AVFM conference
Honey Badgers and friends at the AVFM conference

You know who wasn’t at that conference? Feminists, whom the event organizers made pretty plain were not welcome. Indeed, as journalist Jeff Sharlet noted in his remarkable account of the conference in GQ, attendees seemed to be obsessed with defending their little event against an angry mob of feminists that never materialized.

They keep saying, “No feminist better try coming here!” Local police have dispatched four officers, and the conference attendees have deputized even more security from their own ranks. “Security” wears black polo shirts, and there are a lot of black polo shirts, but since the line is slow, security decides to sweep us all in with a request to return for a “check.” Nobody does. Only one feminist later attempts entry, an activist who goes by the handle “Dark Horse Swore.” The black shirts eighty-six her.

Only a few of these dastardly feminists made it into the event, posing as  journalists. Oh, wait, they were journalists. Somehow I suspect that security at AVFM’s planned conference this year will be tighter.

I also suspect that the Honey Badgers will be there, recounting the story of the terrible injustice done to them by the Calgary Expo.

H/T — @idlediletante on Twitter, who’s been keeping tabs on the money so many #GamerGaters are raking in.

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ScarlettAthena
5 years ago

What legal costs are they even talking about?

smithshadow
5 years ago

Very soon after the Honey Badger expulsion someone predicted this might happen. Interesting.

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

What legal costs are they even talking about?

If I’ve been reading all the blather on it correctly, they’re planning to sue.

Andrew Norton
Andrew Norton
5 years ago


since this is very connected to the topic, here’s this interview of a former Gator/MRA about the dark side of 4chn done by one of the most underrated people on Youtube.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Where’s our resident lawyer? Alan, do you think this has any chance of even seeing a day in court?

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

MRAs love being “censored” and “discriminated against” about as much as American Christians, largely because neither group knows what those words really mean.

Hint: a private entity finding your hateful ideology objectionable enough that they exclude you from their private event doesn’t count.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Ooh, can we have a spotlight that you shine on the sky when a legal thing comes up? I’d LOVE that.

Actually, have a preliminary view on this but just been checking the relevant charter. Stand by for pontification on “horizontal v vertical effect”. I won’t be offended if you start another thread with cats so you’ve somewhere to escape to.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

ScarlettAthena | April 27, 2015 at 4:40 pm
What legal costs are they even talking about?

I suppose they’re thinking of hiring a lawyer and spending time away from their jobs of spewing bile on the internet to attend court proceedings so they can use CalgaryExpo.

Falconer
5 years ago

Oh, thank god I can’t make out Paul Elam’s eyes in that AVFM group photo. They always creep me out.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

Much like American free speech laws, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms only protects you from government oppression. It doesn’t protect you from being “oppressed” by the Calgary Expo. So, good luck with that lawsuit!!!

crippledscholar
5 years ago

The Charter is also not immutable, the legal system has the right to put reasonable restriction on things like freedom of expression. It’s why we have anti hate speech laws. See what happens to Bill Whatcott everytime he opens his hateful mouth

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

There is one thing MRAs excel at and that is pretending to be victims in an imaginary world where society is out to oppress them. MRAs love to claim that all the negative attention they receive is proof of this oppression when in fact it is society’s response to their hateful, vitriolic, and bigoted ideas.

RoscoeTCat
RoscoeTCat
5 years ago

This is all just mutual masturbation…it seems few of these people have 9 to 5 jobs??

MaudeLL
MaudeLL
5 years ago

Another reason why we need to have a basic civic knowledge class in Canadian high schools.

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5 years ago

At least we’re learning about Canadian laws while we read about all the stupid.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaudeLL | April 27, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Another reason why we need to have a basic civic knowledge class in Canadian high schools.

A few of us Stateside could benefit from it too, I’ll bet.

Though, I imagine if (more like when) they lose, they’ll post another video about how “unfair” the courts are to them for not giving them their “female privilege” by instantly agreeing with them and telling off CalgaryExpo for being big meanies for daring to want to make their show a safe place for people they don’t agree with!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Ninja’d by zoon

But just to amplify; as zoon points out this was a private event.

The Charter only applies to:

(a) the Parliament and government of Canada in respect of all matters within the authority of Parliament including all matters relating to the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territories; and

(b) the legislature and government of each province in respect of all matters within the authority of the legislature of each province.

So, rather like the US Constitution and the ECHR it only puts limits on *The Government* inhibiting rights (such as freedom of expression).

It is a bit more complex than that though. The limits on Government interference is called “Vertical effect”; because the power dynamic is hierarchical.

Sometimes though you can argue “horizontal effect”. This is where the actions of non-government concerns, such as a private business infringes on rights. So imagine that a location has a number of private golf clubs. Theoretically a private club has complete discretion over who it admits as a member, but if, in practice, no black person will be accepted in any of the clubs there is a possible claim on the grounds that collectively they’re denying a right not to be discriminated against on grounds of race.

That’s probably the route the honey badgers will try.

It’s probably a non starter though. Some lawyers argue that horizontal effect doesn’t even exist and really it’s still always the Government that’s the defendant.

It was a private gathering. The occupier of a private space can admit and exclude who they want so long as the criterion is not based on protected characteristics (race, gender etc.).

Even the HBs aren’t arguing that was the reason; they’re nailing their colours to the mast on free speech. That won’t cut it. They have no more legal standing than someone who gets banned form this bulletin board.

My guess is:

They’ll issue a claim, make a big fuss and then the claim will be struck out by the court at a preliminary hearing.

They’ll then argue somehow that shows they’ve won and/or are free speech martyrs. They’ll probably get on to Amnesty.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

The evidence supporting of any of their claims is …?

They got kicked out for breaking the rules they agreed to abide by. There is documentation of that. They aren’t victims. They’re dishonest jerks. They’ll never go to court.

Still, I’m always so glad to see the MRA rubes fleeced. I hope their fundraiser goes well.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

The fact that the Honey Badgers are the women’s auxiliary of a hate group is reason enough for Calgary Expo to boot them. Something tells me the HBs wouldn’t have gotten a booth at all if they’d been upfront about who they were.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Oh, Ninja’d by *EVERYONE* 🙂

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

PS they’ll lose and keep all the fundraising money. And keep calling other women “professional victims”.

PPS gotta love the irony of a bunch of men who reeeee about gold diggers and hypergamous whores forking over money to a bunch of women in return for absolutely nothing.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

No kidding, Cyber. The HBs aren’t even going to sex the menz!

flagalicious
flagalicious
5 years ago

As you mentioned, David, the Honey Badgers aren’t a women’s group. They are a majority male group – 10 men and 8 women, according to Judgybitch:

“The HoneyBadgers are:

Karen Straughan
Hannah Wallen
Alison Teiman
Rachel Edwards
Brian Martinez
Sage Gerard
Kristal Garcia
Kelsey J. F.
Kat Rocha
Surya Prakash
Phil Johnston
Doctor RandomerCam
Yul Tolbert
J Kream
Europa Phoenix
Brian Martinez
Observing Libertarian
Jessica Kenney
POP QUIZ!

There are 18 Honeybadgers in total.

If 8 of the Badgers are female, how many are male?

Did you get 10?

Yay!

8 is what percent of 18?

Did you get 44%?

Yay!”

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

Well for a bunch that denounces how ugly feminists are, and how women should mostly care about looking good for their men, they don’t seem to be following too closely all those PUA’s prescriptions for female physical appearence.

(As a feminist, I think they can look any way they feel like, but the irony is too blunt. )

Tessa
5 years ago

No kidding, Cyber. The HBs aren’t even going to sex the menz!

Oh no, that’s the worst kind of misandering there is.!

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Oh, thank god I can’t make out Paul Elam’s eyes in that AVFM group photo. They always creep me out.

You have Sage Gerard’s, uh, charming smile though.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

10 to 8, aye?

You could not make these people up. I was honestly surprised to learn that. I don’t know why I was surprised. It’s so them.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

From a legal point of view representing the Calgary Expo organizers, I would drool at getting the various Honey Badgers on record in a deposition and then at trial, after they have rambled on for hours and hours on YouTube. There seem to be subtle shifts in what they convince themselves happened every time they talk.

Their lawyer is going to have a nightmare trying to present a coherent narrative for a jury or judge that isn’t contradicted by what they have already claimed before.

Lam
Lam
5 years ago

I can’t wait to see their conspiracy theories when their lawsuit fails.
‘Evil harpy feminazis infiltrate court ranks just to deny honey badger women their rightful private event spaces. Also– actually it’s about ethics in expos’

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
5 years ago

These days, even small volunteer-run cons are generally run as chartered corporations, both for legal protection and to provide an official entity to handle the event and money that’s separate from any of the individuals who may or may not be involved any given year. One of the many reasons why convention organizers tend to talk to each other a lot on how to set things up.

In the case of the Calgary Comic and Entertainment Expo, that corporation appears to be ‘Alberta Entertainment Expo Inc.’. I bring this up mostly just to show that the convention has already had to run their charter and documents past lawyers for verification.

Really, there are only three things that seem to be at any possible issue here:
– Did the Honey Badgers violate the rules/regulations/policies of the event? (Probably)
– Does it even matter? (Not really; conventions like this have pretty wide latitude in who gets let in.)
– Are any of those policies illegal on their face? (Not really. This is the only real way the Charter of Rights and Freedoms gets involved, if they were racist or sexist in their policies)

From http://www.calgaryexpo.com/faqs/ under ‘Conditions for Entry into the Calgary Comic & Entertainment Expo’:

8. Management reserves the right to revoke/refuse admission to or to eject from the event/venue; any person(s) who fails to comply with the rules and regulations of the event or venue and all applicable laws.

Granted, that’s one of those things that conventions tend to use lightly just because throwing people out for no obvious reason tends to discourage people from coming in the first place. On the other hand, given how seriously they talk about sexual abuse, harassment, and bullying on that FAQ page, actively throwing people out for violating that policy could only help.

(For what happens when conventions fail to abide by their own stated harassment policies, look up the Readercon debacle. Readercon will be a few years recovering from that, if they ever do.)

In any case, I can’t see this going anywhere unless they can prove it was an aspect of some sort of legal discrimination, and I don’t see they have any hope of proving that given that they got to attend in the first place.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
5 years ago

Gaah, my first blockquote mammoth. I shall treasure it.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Sarah,
I had that same thought. Personally, I don’t care what any of them look like. But I have to wonder why they would want to be part of a group that thinks they’re worthless for not being long haired under 25 models. How do they not suspect that they’re only welcomed because they provide free labor and give them the “but we have female members so we can’t be misogynist” card to play?

pita
pita
5 years ago

It’s weird to me that they’re not going the obvious route and crying breach of contract. I guess the Canadian equivalent of free speech claims attracts more attention, but surely if they were thrown out unfairly, they could at least yell that it’s in contravention of whatever agreement they signed to get a booth in the first place. I’m sure the contract has provisions to address this kind of scenario, but I bet they could still get mad sympathy points for “we just wanted to make our voices heard and they tricked us into this onerous contract” in that case.

I imagine they’d try that if they even thought they had a chance, so I’m guessing they see already the writing on the wall for their “legal battle.” But whatever, the legal market is bad everywhere so who am I to say they shouldn’t make more work for us lawyers?

bekabot
5 years ago

There are 18 Honeybadgers in total.

If 8 of the Badgers are female, how many are male?

Did you get 10?

Yay!

8 is what percent of 18?

Did you get 44%?

Yay!

Math class is hard…

katz
5 years ago

Last I checked, “legal redress” is money. So…they’re asking for money so they can go demand money.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Jenora Feuer | April 27, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Really, there are only three things that seem to be at any possible issue here:
– Did the Honey Badgers violate the rules/regulations/policies of the event? (Probably)

They did, actually. By their own admission.

The two main rules they broke are:

1. They lied about what they were setting up the booth for.

They told one of their backers who paid for them to go that they were in “stealth mode”, knowing that they wouldn’t be allowed, or at the very least, discouraged from going in in the first place due to their very open connections with a hate group.

So, they signed up for the booth under one of the HB’s webcomics, Xenospora. However, as photos show, they were selling Honey Badger and GamerGate merchandise. Turns out they had later changed the name of their booth closer to the show so the organizers couldn’t do anything about it before the show opened.

2. They harassed, heckled, and attempted to derail a panel they didn’t like (and they recorded it).

Panelist Brittney Le Blanc on their actions:

We were about fifteen minutes into the panel when a woman in the second row stood up and identified herself as a Men’s Rights Activist. She and her male companion both came to raise issues they felt would not be covered by our panel. Raising points about the way men are portrayed in comics struck a note with all the panelists, as we agreed that we want to see a diversity across body types, characters, races, etc in mainstream comics. Not everyone wants to see a hero who looks like he’s built like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. They also accused us of presenting all women as victims, which was an outright lie and derailing tactic.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“Waaaaaa, we’re VICTIMS! Send us MONEY MONEY MONEY!” — the Money Badgers, damselling like mad…

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Feminists are the “professional victims” amirite? ????/s

“Not everyone wants to see a hero who looks like he’s built like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. They also accused us of presenting all women as victims, which was an outright lie and derailing tactic.”

Wait before they were complaining that men are feminized now they’re “Gastons”?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Bins
Damsel means woman or girl so you really saying that their “woman or girl like mad” XD

Come to think of it these honey badgers are the same women that they and other male mras are complaining all day every day. Ironic isn’t it?

theboost
theboost
5 years ago

If you register under false pretenses you can be ejected. No matter why when or how. Your commuting fraud. I’ve never worked a comic book convention, but worked construction supply conventions, and oddly this came up frequently. I can’t imagine Canadas laws are that different. It’s fundamental the Free Speech does NOT protect fraud.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Damsel means woman or girl so you really saying that their “woman or girl like mad” XD

Come to think of it these honey badgers are the same women that they and other male mras are complaining all day every day. Ironic isn’t it?

Rich, innit? “Damselling” is their made-up verb for “acting like a helpless ladything”. So yeah, here’s this mostly-male group, acting like a bunch of the whiny girls they hate so much yet can’t stop whining about. It is to snicker…

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Bina
“Damselling” is their made-up verb for “acting like a helpless ladything”.

Oh sorry my bad.

M.
M.
5 years ago

As you mentioned, David, the Honey Badgers aren’t a women’s group. They are a majority male group – 10 men and 8 women, according to Judgybitch:

Reminds me more than a bit of AFA’s One Million Mums, which at its higher levels (the last time I checked) includes a dozen or so old white guys and exactly zero mums.

Bill
Bill
5 years ago

The Honey Badgers were kicked out for breaking convention rules. This seems like an entirely procedural decision that has absolutely nothing to do with the nonsense they were spewing.

Also, do they seriously believe that laws protecting free speech require private entities give a platform for anyone who requests it? If this were the case, the I could submit an anti-GamerGate rant to the Honey Badgers and sue them for refusing to read it on their channel.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

Karen Straughan
Hannah Wallen
Alison Teiman
Rachel Edwards
Brian Martinez
Sage Gerard
Kristal Garcia
Kelsey J. F.
Kat Rocha
Surya Prakash
Phil Johnston
Doctor RandomerCam
Yul Tolbert
J Kream
Europa Phoenix
Brian Martinez
Observing Libertarian
Jessica Kenney
POP QUIZ!

These name start off pretty normal, then it turns into a list of the worst superhero and/or DJ names ever.

Neon Vincent
5 years ago

As the owner of four dachshunds, when I see Honey Badger, I think of this video.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

*names

Suzy Q
Suzy Q
5 years ago

@Sarah

“Well for a bunch that denounces how ugly feminists are, and how women should mostly care about looking good for their men, they don’t seem to be following too closely all those PUA’s prescriptions for female physical appearence.

(As a feminist, I think they can look any way they feel like, but the irony is too blunt. )”

I thought the exact same thing. I can only imagine the tirade of insults they would throw at these women if they identified as feminists.

Nick Anderson
5 years ago

Funny how MRA types will endlessly call Sarkeesian, Quinn, Wu and others targeted with systematic harrassment “professional victims”. First thing these worms scream when they feel they’ve been victimized? “WAHHHHHHH!!! GIVE US $40,000 BECAUSE ‘WAHHHHHHHH’!!!” Good lord, you can at least try not to be such baldfaced hypocrites!

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