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A Voice for Men tries to jump-start ticket sales for its convention by promising greater punctuality, longer lunch breaks

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Burning hundred-dollar bills: A much better entertainment value than AVFM’s upcoming conference

So Susan Morris, the Conference Manager for A Voice for Men’s allegedly upcoming “Men’s Issues” conference this year. has posted a rather puzzling statement attempting to answer questions she’s been getting from AVFM readers “concerning there being fewer speakers on the programme this year and the ticket price being higher.”

Morris — described on the site as “a British woman, an experienced general and event manager in public service” — assures potential conference goers that, “contrary to the headline which I saw somewhere, the ticket price has not been set at $649!”

And that’s true. If you go to the conference’s website, you can see that, in fact, full price tickets to the event are only $645.

That is FOUR WHOLE DOLLARS LESS than the amount reported by the scurrilous press. And … by Morris herself, later in her post. 

But hey, she suggests, only suckers will be paying the full $649.

The Early Bird Discount ensures that if you purchase your ticket by the 30th of April, you will only pay $399. Buy it between 1 May and 30 June and you’ll still get it at a good discount, at the price of $449. The price will increase in $50 steps until it gets to the buy-at-the-door price of $649 and we expect very few, if any, to do so. In fact, that price has been set to deter people from doing so, so that they don’t hold up those people who have been entered into the pre-registration system and only need to book in.

Morris also insists that

Contrary to the efforts made by our detractors to blacken our name, the ticket price is not aimed at making a profit but breaking even would be nice.

Yeah, it’s not like AVFM founder and chief donation-receiver Paul Elam ever said that he hoped to make some actual profit from the conference. You know, except for that time he said he “hope[d] to make some actual profit” from the conference.

So what’s to blame for the higher price? Apparently, it’s largely due to, er, time-traveling protesters from Detroit?

Last year, you may recall, a group of Detroit-area activists held a protest several weeks before AFVM’s conference was scheduled to happen in that city. There were no protesters at the event itself.

This year, the conference is being held in Elam’s hometown of Houston. But evidently — at least in the fevered imaginations of AVFM’s brain trust — that won’t stop last year’s protesters from driving 1300 miles from Detroit to Houston to protest this year’s event. At least that’s what Morris seems to be suggesting:

The protesters from last year have already vowed to shut us down this year and though we know they will not achieve their aim, they will still be protesting (as is their right, of course). Security and safety of our attendees, speakers and volunteer staff will always be of prime importance and so, to avoid a repeat of last year’s emergency appeal for funding, we have built into the costs additional but reasonable security cover.

Aside from “security cover” from time-travelling protesters, what will attendees get for their $649 — sorry, $645 — that no one is really expected to pay?

Fewer speakers!

“Last year,” Morris writes

in our naivety and enthusiasm, we overbooked the number of speakers for the two day event. During the conference it became clear that the programme was too full and did not allow sufficient time for decent length talks followed by full question and answer sessions. This year we have arranged ten speakers.

Greater punctuality! 

And this year we will ensure that we start each session on time.

Longer lunch breaks! And afternoon breaks! 

We have extended the afternoon break and the lunch time and we will be opening the doors each day at 8am. So, provided you arrive early, you will have over eight hours across the two days to mingle with other attendees and to network. And that’s not including the time spent at the evening events, socialising and networking with other like-minded people over dinner or pizza.

Dinner is an additional $20; Pizza is $15. But the time you spend eating is ABSOLUTELY FREE.

A larger number of unpaid staffers than you would think would be even remotely necessary for an event of its size!

Another factor which people tend to forget is the cost of flying in the speakers and volunteer staff and accommodating them all. Between speakers, panel discussion members and staff, we’ll have some forty five people there.

Free taxi service!

We’re arranging an optional taxi service to collect you from your hotel and take you to the venue and then to return you afterwards.

Wait, scratch that, the Taxi service will cost you an additional $15!

But talking to the cabbie is INCLUDED IN YOUR TICKET PRICE.

And finally, FREE ACCESS to an actual BRITISH WOMAN — namely conference manager Susan Morris herself.

I shall be flying in to Houston from the UK. It will be my first flight, a long one around ten hours and I can’t say I’m looking forward to it. But the end result will be worth it. I am looking forward to meeting as many of you as I can.

Because why not fly your conference manager all the way from the UK at the conference-goers’ expense? Sure, makes perfect sense!

I wonder if a single person has bought a ticket for the conference yet.

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dphk
5 years ago

boy, it sure breaks my heart that MRAs are going to waste a lot of money.

tealily
tealily
5 years ago

So they have to pay more for a longer lunch and more breaks? M’kay.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

If I had a spare US$649.00 lying about*, there are a number of things that would give me better ROI than this conference. It is a large number.

*So to speak.

Tanya
5 years ago

I’m sure this is very classicist of me, but I find it odd when a woman trying to convince us that she is a modern women with experience as an event manager has never flown before.

It just makes it feel very “hick-ish” for want of a better word.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

I can’t imagine why people aren’t snapping up these tickets. Didn’t the pictures from the last conference, of people sitting in a half-empty room looking at a guy at a podium who was talking at them, sufficiently convey the scintillating dialogue taking place?

I mean, a ticket to TED 2016 runs $8,500. AVFM is practically giving theirs away!

katz
5 years ago

Last night, Doad had to talk me out of spending $125 on Russian book about air navigation. But compared to this conference, I’m a model of fiscal propriety.

I do, however, still have every intention of buying Doad the LEGO SHIELD helicarrier for his birthday.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

I paid $35 bucks for my graphics card. It was new. It can play Skyrim well. I also spent maybe $60 on over 12 video games this past year.

I saw the price of that Lego set and I began to cry.

Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

Tanya – I think you mean ‘classist’, unless you are referring to studying the ‘classics’ – ie Greek and Roman mythology.

I expect that she is very young. I am from the UK and did not fly until I was 20 – you can be well travelled in Europe and not have flown.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@Tanya, I also found it odd that this supposed professional woman has never flown before…

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I never know whether to think it’s depressing or funny that AVFM always has a bunch of women do all their work for them. Seriously, how am I expected to buy into the notion that men are superior civilization builders if none of them can get by without the (usually unpaid) labor of women to prop them up.

They completely prove feminist’s point. That women have always worked and contributed to society. We just got denied credit for it.

Drezden
Drezden
5 years ago

@katz I saw the helicarrier in all its Lego glory a week or so ago. I was sorely tempted to spend a bit of my tax return on it

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

It sounds rather terrifying to me, flying for the first time, then having to spend several hours around MRAs (while being female), having to act as manager, with jetlag. That’s a holiday from hell I wouldn’t wish on any but the most evil of people.

I’m a big scaredy-cat though, I won’t even fly alone.

freemage
5 years ago

WWT: Maybe they’re actually being cagey. Perhaps they keep placing utterly inept women in the heavy-lifting roles in order to prove that women can’t do the job. Of course, this would only work on the sort of lackwit that would be attracted to the MRM in the first place, but there ya go.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

“FREE ACCESS to an actual BRITISH WOMAN”

LMAO!

Well, that’s gotta be worth at least 500 bucks.

I’m surprised, though, that they couldn’t find any American woman conference organizing person. Especially since Honey Badgers have experience with conferences ‘n stuff and would likely do it for free, dedicated to the cause as they are.

flagalicious
flagalicious
5 years ago

WWT, it is getting awfully conspicuous. Let’s see, we have Tieman on the sob stories, Stacey collecting the money, Davison was editing and adminning as “Mike Hunt”, Straughan is the public face, Judgybitch is the doxxing apologist, Morris is the conference organizer, Tara Palmatier is the counselor, and Suzanne McCarley is the enforcer. What is there left to do, other than bash feminists, the fun stuff?

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger:

Oh, but this — auxillary roles — is what women are good for. They are created as helpmeets for men, remember?

Of course those roles are what makes the civilization and men’s righters’ events going, but never mind such details.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Next year tickets will cost $1000 for a single speaker with a slide of a feminist captioned BAD, followed by an 8 hour break for lunch.

If you act now, you will also receive ample time for sleeping!

thetruepooka
5 years ago

I’d like to volunteer for the job of Chief of Security.

Sincerely;

Paul Blart

Nitram
5 years ago

What kind of a professional event manager bellyaches about the flight to the event to the actual client and potential ticket buyers? I know there’s a lot ore wrong but this really struck me as “eeek! How’s your foot taste?”

Mitchel
5 years ago

ROFL! I literally fell over I was laughing so hard. This is definitely the funniest article I’ve read to date on here.

autosoma
5 years ago

Yeh! But if NY first ever flight out if the UK was to Houston, I’d really be thinking is this the best use if my holiday money? 2k GBP gets me and my family of four to Toulouse for a fortnight flat & flights. I’d really be evaluating my lifestyle choices if this was my first big trip other than the ferry to Calais or the Eurostar

greyskye
greyskye
5 years ago

I’m astonished that a British person who’s an experienced professional has never been on a plane before… plane flights around Europe are cheaper than taking the ferry or train in a lot of cases, I mean even just for your hols you should be able to scrounge up 29 quid for a weekend trip to Marballa. Even my old mum got on a plane once, and she thought modern technology was at constant risk of explosion and wouldn’t even let us have a telly in the house.

I mean to be fair, there’s a lot about this convention fiasco that’s astonishing me… but this is what I can wrap my head around. I do think it’s interesting that conventions are now being looked at as the most likely and easy scams around now, with few laws governing them and it being so easy to just say anything online and no one find out the truth till they show up at the hotel to find just a deflating ballpit.

freemage
5 years ago

greyskye: I’m willing to give the Dashcon folks a slightly higher benefit of the doubt–they were at least willing to cop to bad money-management, and to demonstrate that they actually spent the money on the con itself (they posted the bills showing the funds paid to the venue, for instance). Admitted ineptitude is nowhere near as bad as concealed avarice, which is all that Elam and Co are about.

Nitram
5 years ago

Greyskye “deflating ball Pit” lol.

Nitram
5 years ago

Autocorrect didn’t accept “pit”, wanted me to capitalize it and add a t, making it “Pitt” as a nod to Brad Pitt which I think is some proof of misandry, cock carousels, and 80/20 laws of SCIENCE.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger | April 23, 2015 at 3:21 pm
I never know whether to think it’s depressing or funny that AVFM always has a bunch of women do all their work for them. Seriously, how am I expected to buy into the notion that men are superior civilization builders if none of them can get by without the (usually unpaid) labor of women to prop them up.

They completely prove feminist’s point. That women have always worked and contributed to society. We just got denied credit for it.

All of this. All of it. For some men who hate feminists, they sure do prove to be a damn good reason why we’re around.

Also, holy crap. At those prices, I could go to my local anime convention for the entire weekend, get a (completely unneeded) hotel room for three nights, and still have money to spend on overpriced con merchandise (also completely unneeded)! AND I’d have money to make a bangin’ cosplay beforehand (maybe)!

I wish I had that much money to just toss into a metaphorical dumpster. Sheeeet.

greyskye | April 23, 2015 at 4:38 pm
I do think it’s interesting that conventions are now being looked at as the most likely and easy scams around now, with few laws governing them and it being so easy to just say anything online and no one find out the truth till they show up at the hotel to find just a deflating ballpit.

http://img.pandawhale.com/83411-I-understood-that-reference-gi-6jlf.gif

SO MANY DASHCON REFERENCES.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

“Next year tickets will cost $1000 for a single speaker with a slide of a feminist captioned BAD, followed by an 8 hour break for lunch.”

Buttercup, that only happens if they can find a woman (excuse me, “feeeemale”) volunteer to set up the slide projector!

Bill
Bill
5 years ago

Wow, four whole dollars! You could buy 16 whole gumballs with that type of money.

Kloe Jemmer (@JoeKlemmer)

Fewer speakers with longer sessions is at least a real consideration for a conference. It shouldn’t increase the cost, however, but decrease it. If I had even $399 lying around I’d buy some extra, high end cigars with it. Burning tobacco is a much more beneficial use of that cash.

cupisnique
5 years ago

Why do they need to pay speakers anyway? I go to conferences all the time and I have to pay to present at them lol

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

cupisnique | April 23, 2015 at 6:41 pm
Why do they need to pay speakers anyway? I go to conferences all the time and I have to pay to present at them lol

It could have something to do with the fact that even in the manosphere, AVfM is generally looked down upon.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

If there really is a majority of women (or all women) helping set up the conference, maybe it should brought to the attention of the internet? I mean, that’s an interesting fact, right? That the MRA conference is being put together mostly by women. It’s at least a funny ironic fact.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

After donning my deerstalker hat, I deduced that this year’s “Conference Manager” didn’t actually attend last year’s conference in Detroit. Admittedly, she could have traveled by some combination of boat, car, train and/or bus, but that seems unlikely.

Update: Did some googling and found out Morris helped last year’s clusterfuck long distance.

http://www.donotlink.com/eu76

Of all the people working to make things happen, the one you have likely not heard of is Susan Morris, a UK resident with considerable conference management experience.

My deerstalker hat hasn’t helped me figure out how someone could have gained “considerable conference management experience” without ever using air travel. Perhaps she worked for British Railways and was very brand loyal.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

The protesters from last year have already vowed to shut us down this year and though we know they will not achieve their aim, they will still be protesting (as is their right, of course).

AVfM is fortunate to have fans who will believe this claim without demanding one iota of proof.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Well, it’s possible that she has traveled around Europe by rail. The Chunnel would make it practical, if unusual.

Tangent – my trip across the Channel was so long ago, there was no tunnel. I took the hovercraft ferry. Most unpleasant travel experience I have ever had.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Tara

that only happens if they can find a woman (excuse me, “feeeemale”) volunteer to set up the slide projector

We hunted the Powerpoint for you!

Kestrel
Kestrel
5 years ago

Ummm… I will admit I have never run a con but I am good friends with people who have. When I told them about this clusterf*ck they weren’t sure to laugh or cry.

A short list of their questions (and mine) –

1. Are most of their attendees trust fund babies or hedge fund managers?
2. How big is the conference center vs how many people are they expecting?
3. Why are they providing catering?!? Apparently, most conference centers charge an arm and a leg for it and it is never very good.
4. Why does the conference staff have to set up? Most centers charge to set up for the con but it is often cheaper than providing extra hotel nights for the staff.
5. Why in the world are they paying for airfare and accommodations for VOLUNTEERS?? Normally at cons I have attended and helped out on the most I get is free entrance to the con.
6. How many program tracks are they running? My friends seemed to think maybe 5 rooms running over sixteen hours total panel time might explain the cost if each presenter only presented once.
7. Speaking of presenters, since they have already had their airfare and room paid by the con, couldn’t AVfM have reused some of them as panelists in the discussion panel instead of paying for even more people to fill those slots. I am sure some of their presenters could discuss TWO different topics without repeating themselves.
8. Why would allowing people to register on the day of the con slow down the line? Every con I have ever been to has had a line for preregistration and a separate line for everyone else.

And those are just the questions we could come up with off the top of our heads.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

How many program tracks are they running?

If it’s anything like the last conference, there is 1 track. Everything is presented in the same room in sequence.

I’ve attended conferences with the same format, but they cost $5 for entry, in order to provide a box lunch, and took place inside a community college lecture hall. All costs other than the lunch, whatever those might have been, were covered by some means other than soaking the attendees.

These conferences were intended to get out to people an important message about one or more related social problems, to engage the public in the subject of the conference, and to crowdsource possible solutions to the problem(s).

This could describe the vision AVFM has for their conference, except that Paul Elam has already stated that his “vision” is to make money from it. He doesn’t grasp the basics of economics, such as the revenue and profit curves, so he’s just set his entry fee sky-high and assumed people will pay it. The price point certainly doesn’t match the rhetoric – if this really were a legit conference on an important social issue, they’d charge $5 a head per day for box lunches, and get funding from other sources to cover the other costs, in order to maximize their attendance and get the message out to as many people as possible.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Good grief. If Paulie wants to make money, have an online summit. Isn’t anyone from AVFM reading here? Numerous people here have suggested this a thousand times! Charge less, get way more people, keep more as profit bc your overhead is super low. Package the video later and sell as well, if you want.

I suspect if they had a coherent mandate (other than ‘we gripe about feminists’) and/or goal, this would be easier for them to pull off. They’d be able to get reputable speakers on relevant topics (men’s health, fatherhood, divorce, incarceration, sexual abuse etc), have different tracks, get some press, plus be able to have volunteers they didn’t need to fly in bc more people would actually support and want to be involved in an event that had… a purpose.

Anyway, Paulie you are doing ‘make money online!’ wrong.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
5 years ago

Hi everyone! Long time, no see. I couldn’t resist jumping back in on this topic.

Kestrel:

5. Why in the world are they paying for airfare and accommodations for VOLUNTEERS??

Indeed! Morris said:

Between speakers, panel discussion members and staff, we’ll have some forty-five people there. Whilst all concerned are giving their time for free, the travel and accommodation costs mount up alarmingly. It takes time to set up the conference hall properly and so we cannot just arrive at the venue the day before the conference.

10 speakers
5 panel members (not including Dr. T. who is included with the speakers)
1 panel moderator
1 event planner

17 + 28 volunteers = 45 total

What a slick way to get free hotels and air fare for 28 of the in-crowd.

Gotta love how Morris guarantees there will be protestors even though the name of the venue will not be made public. It will only be emailed to the attendees a week before the conference. All this cloak and dagger stuff is hilarious.

In the unlikely event that this takes place, does anyone think the press is going to show up again? I can’t imagine any of the media that went last year being interested in returning, especially with such a lacklustre program.

Mwa
Mwa
5 years ago

Keynote speakers generally get paid an honorarium (sometimes quite a large one), room, and travel expenses for speaking at conferences. Some invited panelists also get some form of recompense. Everyone else at a normal academic conference (assoc. profs, assist. profs, grad students &c.) pay registration costs to present and/or attend. That is, if we’re basing this on typical academic conference types.

goodrumo
5 years ago

Reblogged this on iheariseeilearn.

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Tracy

Because they can’t accept that anything to do with feminism is right. They’re also too stubborn to change it. Maybe next year?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

The Early Bird Discount ensures that if you purchase your ticket by the 30th of April, you will only pay $399. Buy it between 1 May and 30 June and you’ll still get it at a good discount, at the price of $449. The price will increase in $50 steps until it gets to the buy-at-the-door price of $649 and we expect very few, if any, to do so. In fact, that price has been set to deter people from doing so, so that they don’t hold up those people who have been entered into the pre-registration system and only need to book in.

Translation: We’re doing this so we don’t get any more surprise visits from Jeff Sharlet on GQ’s dime. Also, there are only so many fake feminist death threats we can claim before someone accuses us of crying wolf.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

May I interrupt this thread for some highly important news?

I just discovered a very delicious variation on the screwdiver. It’s two shots of Absolut Ruby (grapefruit) mixed with a can of Pellegrino blood orange. I shall call it The Fire and Blood since it’s Game of Thrones season.

Okay. Resume.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

Mmm, sounds good.

One of my favorite drinks I made up (I think) is Squirt or grapefruit flavored soda, cherry-flavored rum with two or three (or however many you want) cherries squeezed of their juices, not stirred in, and then plopped into the drink.

I think we all know what I call it.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

WWTH, that sounds delicious! Although I would have called it the Bloody Pilgrim.

I am looking forward to the postmortem on Man-a-palooza II: Defective Boogaloo. There should be plenty of drama llama back and forth about what went wrong, when it went wrong, and how none of it is THEIR fault.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Two shots rye, one shot sweet red vermouth, dash bitters. Shake, strain, garnish with two blueberries.

The Dr. Manhattan.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I just found a recipe for something called the Sinner’s Sandwich (based off of the game Deadly Premonition, which wears its Twin Peaks inspiration on its sleeve), and I’m not sure if want.

It’s crust-less white bread, turkey breast (not processed, but rather straight from the turkey), strawberry jam, and cereal. Like Chex.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

That sounds like a leftover Thanksgiving sandwich! (Which uses cranberry sauce and stuffing.) It should taste really good!

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