Hey ladies who support gay rights! Has it ever occurred to you that by supporting gay rights, you’ll end up turning more men gay, and then there won’t be any straight men left to marry you?
Wait, you’re saying that hasn’t occurred to you?
Well, it’s definitely occurred to some dude who calls himself Aper on the MGTOWHQ forum. Let’s let him explain:
Most women support gay rights, even the ultra conservative ones from what I’ve seen. Are they unknowingly shooting themselves in the foot by doing so?
Go on.
My opinion on homosexuality is that a small number of people are born gay, maybe with a “gay gene” activated or something of the sort, or brain of the opposite gender, but most gays are created by their environment (upbringing, lack of sexual interest from the opposite sex, etc.).
Yeah, I don’t think it quite works like that.
Think back to when you were 13-14 years old. I was perved out of my mind then, beating off like 2-3 times a day while looking at porn mags and the yearbook pics of girls I wanted to bang. I never once was attracted to men or even thought about being attracted to men, at least partially because that was completely taboo when and where I grew up.
Ok, that’s a bit TMI, but please continue.
Nowadays, it’s different to the point where … it’s almost celebrated to be gay. So take a normal 13-14 year old guy today. He might be hornier than the past generations were since sex is everywhere now. He’s probably not successful in talking to girls, let alone in getting laid (80/20 rule).
Yeah, ok, that “80/20 rule” is pure manosphere bullshit, but it’s true that the overwhelming majority of 13-14 year old boys are not having sex. And not just because girls are snobby.
What would happen if he was approached by another male teen, who asked him if he wanted to “experiment?” If that would’ve happened when I grew up, we would’ve whooped some ass, but think about the current times. That’s becoming increasingly normally.
It’s becoming normally?
What I’m getting at is what if a young guy, horny out of his mind, decides to experiment? Once a guy crosses that line, deciding to sleep with other males, why would he cross back over to women?
Uh, maybe because he’s, you know, not actually gay?
He’d go from getting easy sex anytime to playing games with broads, getting the run around for weeks, and if he finally manages to score, it would probably be some half ass vanilla BS. What man would leave the former lifestyle for the latter?
Probably a straight guy?
Speaking of which, Aper wants everyone to know that he is as straight as a sack full of hammers — ok, I don’t know what that expression means, I just made it up. But time-travelling counterfactual alternative history Aper? He might go the gay way.
Your ol’ pal Aper is as straight as can be. I’ve been approached by guys before and turned them down with no second thoughts and I’d like to think that there’s nothing that could have “turned me gay” in my youth, but I can’t be completely sure how I would’ve turned out if I was a teen today.
This leads Aper to wonder if women aren’t sowing the seeds of their own spinsterhood:
Are modern women turning more and more horny teens gay with a combo of their shitty attitudes and increasing tolerance, and even force feeding, of gay rights, and in the process effectively creating more men that won’t be dealing with their sorry asses anytime in the near future?
Hmm. That sounds pretty dire for the ladies.
But wait. Two can play this game. Couldn’t modern women just go gay themselves and gay marry each other?
Oh, but then they wouldn’t be able to leech off men. Damn, ladies, it looks like you’re screwed — figuratively, not literally, at least in the heterosexual sense. Yep, it sure looks like it’s CHECKMATE MEN.
As Aper’s MGTOWHQ comrade OU812 notes delightedly,
If the revulsion straight men have to homosexual activity is purely cultural, women will be absolutely screwed should the taboos fall away. Imagine — men offered sexual release with partners who want nothing more than to get off with them — no emotional support demanded, no financial support demanded, no social duties demanded — just sex. Holy fuck they would be screwed. It would be awesome if true.
But he is quick to add that he doesn’t swing that way, nosirreebob. His sexual tastes are a little more specialized.
Personally, I’d sooner fuck a cantaloupe.
ManWithAPlan sees another benefit to the gay thing:
I don’t know about going gay … but there’s one advantage, gay marriage. If they ever put a brutal bachelor tax, you can always marry your best buddy who shares the same ideals, get a prenup, and do your own thing.
Heck, there’s even an Adam Sandler movie about that.
Meanwhile, someone calling himself dubya (probably not the former president) offers an almost Reichian analysis of sexual repression.
If you’re depending on males to carry the nation, you can’t have them acting like Dennis Rodman. They have to be clean cut, macho, have the proper male interests growing up like exploration, taking things apart, they can’t be even the least bit gay or engaged in any kind of hedonism. They should be domineering and entitled.
Because that’s the only way they’ll be able to complete a life of service to society, women and the state.
If men start getting hedonistic ideas like running around in a tutu, growing their hair long, sucking each others dicks, and such, that breaks down the country.
In a way, feminism is almost like a male revolution.
It freed us and enslaved women, now THEY have to be clean cut, macho, domineering and so forth for the life of service and benefit to the state while MEN can now be totally hedonistic and a bunch of dudebros.
Huh. Apologies to Messrs. Reich and Rodman, but I don’t think it’s quite that simple.
There are a few MGTOWHQers who aren’t quite so enamored of the gay hypothesis, or gay people in general.
As The Running Man sees it,
gay people are the ENEMY of men. They nearly always side with women, liberals and feminists and of course various NGO, SJW political activists who are the scum of the earth.
DruidV has an even more basic objection:
No offense to anyone, but I could never look at another Man’s hairy, furry ass, and fall in love.
So maybe the women of the world are safe, for now.
Wow, I didn’t realize revenge could trump biology so easily. If women say “no” to a MGTOW often enough, suddenly he ditches the Minecraft t-shirt and cargo shorts, rage-morphs into Hedonistic Tutu Fabio, and starts plastering his bedroom with Matt Bomer posters?
You can tell it’s a MGTOW fantasy, because in their minds gay men never experience rejection and are always DTF at any time, with anybody.
Hmmm…. Kinsey’s “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male” was published in 1948, and it reported that 37% of men had had at least one homosexual experience. Yet the Baby Boom still happened. Sorry, Aper, you are just wrong. About this, and probably everything else, too.
Ok I really don’t get people who are disgusted with gay and lesbians but these are the same people who complain “well, if we let them get married then we will soon marry people and their animals or appliances!” And now we have a creep who will **** a cantaloupe than another man and they say gays and lesbians are the weirdos?
Let’s pretend that sexual preference was indeed a free choice (which I guess would make everyone pansexual). Let’s take the hypothetical these dudes are apparently fantasizing about, where they can go have lots of sex among themselves.
If they thought about it honestly, would they want to have sex with any of their fellow MRAs? Do they really think the guy who thinks his female sex partner must cater to his every whim and be submissive and deferential to him will suddenly jettison that desire when the gender changes? Would they truly want a partner as selfish and egotistical as them? Or do they want a warm body acting as a sex toy?
They have this strange fantasy of brotherhood with their fellow men, but in reality their toxic personalities would drive each other away. Hell, you can barely get them to show up at a con together; something that should be super easy if they actually had connections with each other beyond commenting at the same hate site.
They are shitty partners, no matter what their orientation is/could be.
I would like to apologize to gay men for putting mgtow in the same category, in a way. I do hope that in the end mgtow don’t become gay, if becoming gay is in any way possible. Just because mgtow stay out of women’s way doesn’t mean gay men should be punished by this mgtow flood…
So…once he’s experimented with the cantaloupe, he’ll never go back to lusting after women, right? Cause the cantaloupe is always DTF. Just like he imagines gay men to be.And it’s so round, and seductive, and juicy, and full of vitamines.
Sounds good to me, hope he goes for it and stops whining about women. (And hope he doesn’t start getting his jollies from tricking people into eating his sex cantaloupes…)
And we now have fructophilia, though drilled canteloupes have been used by the desperate for ages, I am told (“The melon of Castile is for self-abusr. The melon of Valencia is for eating”…Pilar, in “For Whom the Bell Tolls”. My Cuban friends told me that climatological concerns caused the desperate pirates of the Caribbean to use papayas instead, which is why you never ask a Cuban fruit peddler for one. You ask for “fruta bomba”)
@odaran
Even if it was possible for MGTOWs to turn themselves gay through sheer will, I doubt they would. It would take too much time away from bitterly obsessing about women.
I grew up in a progressive city in the 80s and 90s. Homophobia most certainly existed as it still does today, but being gay wasn’t a huge taboo either. I was supportive of gay rights long before it was a mainstream position nationwide. As did my friends. Somehow, most of the boys I grew up with still ended up straight. Wow!
I wasn’t aware that gay men don’t want and need emotional support from their boyfriends/husbands. I’ll have to tell the gay guys I know that they are all henceforth required to act just like Jack from Will and Grace. Outdated stereotypes are true after all! Who knew?
The comment from that other guy is hilarious too. How do you not know that there were many times/cultures in which long hair was the norm for men? How does having long hair take away masculinity? Maybe he should Google Jason Mamoa?
Is it possible that he doesn’t know that ancient Greek men sometimes did gay stuff and still married women? I seriously thought everyone knew about that?
I’m somewhat happy to see one of them admit to male entitlement though.
Even if it was possible for MGTOWs to turn themselves gay through sheer will, I doubt they would. It would take too much time away from bitterly obsessing about women
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(Warning, sterotypes for effect) They would also have to work, really hard. Gay men are pretty picky. I mean Rosh doens’t even want to wipe his ass much less manscape.
OT, but I apparently Return of Kings contributor Blair Naso and Matt Forney attended the White Nationalist AmRen conference recently:
http://www.donotlink.com/et8m
I thought it was worthy of sharing as apparently Naso got blind drunk and started hassling girls in a bar until he was thrown out:
http://www.donotlink.com/et8t
This quote sums up a lot of what I know about the average RoK dudebro:
‘…he was sitting there in the grass explaining how the girl was fat and had no right to reject his advances,’
And regarding the OP, how I wish they would stop trying to gloat about how much they imagine women care about them going their own way. Go buy a cantaloupe already.
Gee I wonder why there aren’t gay men flocking to MGTOW now that this illuminating article has been written.
I have news that I feel I must share with this blog: Killing Floor 2 just came out (Sequel to my favorite game and source of my namesake) and the EULA allows the developers to kick anyone out of the online community for being racist and or sexist. Naturally there’s a bunch of people who care deeply about ethics in games journalism saying “Now I’m not sexist but… What if, hypothetically, someone really had it in for me for no reason, couldn’t they get me kicked out of the game if they really wanted to?” It’s really amusing.
Apparently it is REALLY easy to make boys gay. I was told (on Young Turks on youtube discussing same sex marriage) that my sons are gay (not to my knowledge) because I have raised them as a lone mother.
I have of course pointed out that if this were indeed the way it works then many more men would be gay. If I get any response I will also be pointing out that most gay men grow up in one woman, one man households!
Ellsar
Our mom raised me and my brother by herself and my brother is married to a woman and has two kids. So with that logic lone fathers are gonna to “turn” their daughters into lesbians?
This is only sort of relevant to this topic, but I thought it described the weird bafflement that seems to characterise so many MRAS. It’s from Val Plumwood’s [em]Feminism and the Mastery of Nature[/em]:
“[em]…The behaviour of the slave (and the female and the colonised) is seen as disorderly, out of control and unpredictable from the point of view of the master, because the slave is perceived instrumentally, as a living tool. To the extent that the slave’s own ends are not recognised and cannot firm a basis for explaining her behaviour, and to the extent that she resists organisation in accordance with the master’s ends, she will appear irrational and disorderly, since no ends other than the master’s are recognised. [/em]”
I don’t know, maybe I’m making more of this than it deserves, but I was trying to work out why it’s so obvious to a lot of these guys that women are irrational (assuming they ready do believe this) and Plumwood’s analysis seems to me to capture a significant portion of it.
I was going to make a comment about the absolute ridiculousness that someone can “turn” gay, or the tired of stereotypes of gay men they’re throwing around, or that society will somehow collapse without domineering men; but then I thought, wait, hey, they’re advocating having sex with each other! That’s a win-win situation!
So, yes, yes, I totally support MGTOWs having sex with and marrying each other! They get wha they say they want, and nobody else gets bothered by these assholes!
It occurred to me, but then I found the gay switch in the basement behind the water heater and turned them all back. Problem solved.
Anandrejapejicblog, i doubt too.
I was curios so i checked their forum http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewforum.php?f=13
When they go their own way, they mostly talk about “twats”, but also about games and computers, and about dating. Everything else in life (sports, money, food…) is less represented.
I honestly thought it could be a myth that they mostly talk about women, but it seems that it isn’t.
If you’re too much of an asshole for even the white nationalists, it’s time to reevaluate your life choices.
Or maybe I’m a woman who supports gay rights because I’m a gay woman*. SHOCK AND HORROR! Bloody hell, for a group that constantly sour-grapes on about how feminists must all be lesbians, these dickbags sure do seem to forget that we’re not just a genre of porn every time gay rights are brought up.
*And because I’m not an asshole, of course, but it wouldn’t be so important to me.
@sn0rkmaiden & WWTH
Well, that finally answers the question of “What the hell does “White nationalist on paper” mean?”
So, wait. When exactly am i supposed to be getting all this sex that I can allegedly snag any time I want it? I suddenly feel cheated.
@Jarred H
These goobers also believe that all women can get sex any time they want, too. NOT TRUE.
What is with groups like MGTOW and relentlessly making groundless assumptions about broad groups of people, including ones that they are part of. Really adds extra irony to the “not all men” protests.
I know the MRA makes me want to date women (and other feminist peeps, of course) exclusively.
Also, these guys have the self-awareness of a peanut. They should really reflect on their words before pushing that post button; it helps with grammar a lot.