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4th:

it’s because they come across as whiners, they play the victim card constantly and they brand the opposite gender as the enemy.

Examples for the second and third ones, please, so we can better under how you define ‘playing the victim card’.

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Ah, gators always have the most annoying ‘ heads I win, tails you lose’ logic.

Either “women gamers are so rare that it makes no sense to try to change the toxic culture of a huge number of games”, or, “alright, fine, women do play games but since they already buy games we clearly don’t need to change anything because they’re already fine with it! I totally know a girl gamer who is totally cool and never complains about harassment or objectification because all she wants to do is ‘ shut up and play!’ no, really! Honest to god!”

They’re remaking everything, so probably.

@ 4th

You mean it offended her and she disregarded it because it doesn’t go along with her worldview that women are perpetual victims? Is that what you mean by debunked?

When you see and short article reporting on study it usually nothing more than a layman journalist badly summarizing a press release. Young reported that “on the whole, 2.5 percent of the tweets sent to the men but fewer than 1 percent of those sent to women were classified as abusive”. She doesn’t examine how they classify language as abusive. I’ve already outlined that there is no violent language on their list such as the word “rape”, it’s mostly sexual language, including many benign ones such as “sex” and “lmfao”.

LINK: Demos categorized tweets as offensive if they contained one or more of the abusive words included in Google’s search language filter: https://gist.github.com/jamiew/1112488

Young also briefly mentions of an earlier Demos study, saying “in an earlier Demos analysis, women on Twitter were almost as likely as men to use “gendered” derogatory language”.

The report itself says under ‘key findings’, “women are as almost as likely as men to use the terms ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ on Twitter”. It also says under ‘key findings’, “between 26 December 2013 and 9 February 2014 there were around 100 thousand instances of the word ‘rape’ used in English from UK – based Twitter accounts. We estimate around 12 percent appeared to be threatening”.

You know what it doesn’t say under key findings? That men tweet the word “rape” more than women, even though there’s a graph showing it. They also don’t provide the gender break down of the senders of tweets considered threats or abusive containing “slut”, “whore” or “rape”.

The Daily Beast article is poor source when the studies it references are available and can be directly evaluated.

@4th troll, if you’re still around. Have another teal dear

Yeah like I really care. Get over yourself m8.

Apparently you care enough to reply.

They were (for the most part) not interested in video games which is why they were seen as a boy thing. Nothing to do with sexism.

No, plenty of women WERE interested in video games. If you’ve got proof that somehow women were not interested in video games, be my guest and show it. But I have a feeling that this is just a bullshit assumption that exists in your mind.

I already addressed your comment about half of gamers being women before because that doesn’t take into the account the huge number of women who play games like Candy Crush and the like.

Ah yes, the classic rationalization of “well they are probably off playing Candy Crush which doesn’t count due to my arbitrary elitist definition of a real game”. Um, do you realize how many women play Pokemon? A.K.A a turn-based JRPG with a competitive scene. You’ll also notice that Pokemon actually has a half-way decent split of male/female characters as well as some very strong women who are NOT heavily sexualized (Cynthia). HUH, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

You’re delusional if you genuinely believe that. Like really delusional. There are extremely few games that even give you a choice to be violent against women much less require it.

Correct, except I never said “lots of video games give you the choice to be violent against women”. Nice try at a straw man. What I did say was many games were (and still are) overtly hostile to women.
There are MANY ways of being “overtly hostile to women”. The example I listed is creating a sequence that depicts violence against women to paint a world as gritty and “tough”. Examples include: Saboteur, GTA V, Dragon Age, Watch Dogs, Bioshock.
Each of those games contains a scene where a female ‘character’ is killed off or harmed for NO OTHER REASON than to make the world look gritty. THIS is hostile towards women.

On the contrary, the majority of human characters who get killed off in video games are men, whether they be enemies or important characters to the story.

Um, that’s because the vast majority of human characters are male. “total number of male characters killed” vs “total number of female characters killed” is a uselss piece of data that completely missing the point. (for example, it doesn’t address HOW characters are killed off. Male characters usually don’t go down without a fight, female characters are more likely to be portrayed as “helpless” and “innocent”)

Women aren’t used as cannon fodder in video games for the main character to kill in droves. Men are.

Correct, women don’t even get to be cannon fodder. They are too often portrayed as helpless and die without even fighting. This is actually a great example of sexism in video games, thank you for pointing it out.

They became a boy club because boys gravitated to video games in large numbers while girls did not. Kicking and screaming? You’re the one going ballistic here, not me.

Um, no, girls ALSO gravitated to video games in large numbers. They then gravitated AWAY due to the vast amount of content that was very obviously aimed at boys. And you think I’m going ballistic? That’s adorable. Keep projecting, I’m having far too much fun over here .

For the record here I won’t be “kicking and screaming” because I don’t care if they start adding more women characters in video games. My favorite game of all time is Perfect Dark and that has a female protagonist. I don’t want more female characters but I’m not against it either. I don’t care either way. I also don’t have a problem with people who ask for better female representation in games. I have a problem with the social justice warriors who imply video game developers and fans are sexist for not complying with their demands.

Um, nobody is “implying developers are sex for not complying with their demands”, they are being called sexist because they created a scene in the game that is blatantly sexist. You act like being called out for sexism is the worst offence possible. Why is it such a bad thing? Plenty of people are sexist without even realizing it. Being sexist =/= being a horrible person.
Also NOBODY IS CALLING THE FANS SEXIST FOR PLAYING SEXIST GAMES. Nobody is, in fact, demanding anything from the fans. The fact that you feel targeted when video games get accused of being sexist just shows that you’re taking things way too personally.
You, by the way, ARE being sexist, because you’re making completely unfounded assumptions about women. Speaking of which….

If my point got lost in there basically what I’m trying to say is many hardcore gamers have an intense dislike of anything casual and they see catering more to a female audience as catering more to casuals. It’s not so much about male vs female as it is about hardcore vs casual..

Well those fans need to shut the fuck up about their sexist assumption that women are casual gamers and that men are automatically hardcore. There are PLENTY of women who enjoy “hardcore” games.

You’re a guy? Wow I’m surprised. Your comment sounded like something I would read from Jezebel. You even said “I can’t even” like they do lol. That’s pretty funny.

I’m a guy who recognized toxic masculinity for what it is. BTW That makes me immune to your pathetic attacks at my gender. FYI “I can’t even” is a diminutive of “what is this; I can’t even” which comes from fucking 4chan.

Also like I said before I have nothing against developers adding more women characters to their games. Some of my favorite games have female protags like Perfect Dark, Resident Evil, Front Mission, Soul Calibur and tons more.

Plenty of games are capable of having female protagonists and still be sexist. One example is the Soul Calibur series… Oh hey! You even mentioned it for me! How nice of you.

Ya know I knew someone would say that. Could’ve bet money on it. Congrats on missing the point entirely. The point is that it’s not always as simple as just throwing a character of another gender into a game. There’s usually a lot of work that goes into it.

They wouldn’t have to go through the work if they had ALREADY DESIGNED THE GAME with a female character to begin with.

In a game like Call of Duty they can just throw some female skins in there but it’s not that easy for every game.

The fact that you think this could be solved by ‘just throwing in some female skins’ shows how little you understand about the problem of sexism in video games.

You mean it offended her and she disregarded it because it doesn’t go along with her worldview that women are perpetual victims? Is that what you mean by debunked?

Um, it seems like her debunking didn’t go along with YOUR world view. Also, the fact that you’re not addressing any of her (or Brooked)’s points is quite telling…

No it’s not fair and you know what else isn’t fair? When male developers are harassed or even get threats of violence for changing minor things in video games. Look it up, it happens and it’s not rare. This is why so many other people dislike fanboys

No, it’s completely ridiculous that a game dev received death threats because he nerfed a particular overpowered gun. Glad we are in agreement.

Anyway the reason these women are taking so much crap isn’t because they’re women with opinions, it’s because they come across as whiners, they play the victim card constantly and they brand the opposite gender as the enemy.

I see, so making critical analysis of video games = whining. That’s flawed logic. Also, where did Anita say “MALES ARE THE ENEMY”? It seems more like some members of one gender FEEL targeted even though they have NO REASON to be.

Not really a good way to make other people like you. Granted it doesn’t give them a right to send threats of violence but I guess that’s what you get when you have a medium like the internet where people have anonymity and the freedom to do and say what they want without consequences.

So what if they didn’t do those things, as I mentioned? Sorry, but you can’t just rationalize away the behavior of those assholes on the internet. Again, they are reacting as if they have personally been attacked even though NOBODY HAS DONE SO.
Also I love the thinly-veiled victim blaming you’re doing. Somehow it’s the fault of critics that assholes can’t take criticizm of their precious video games without throwing a tantrum.

It sucks but it is what it is and I doubt a bunch of whining feminists are going to change it. They’re just gonna make it worse as more people rebel against them.

No, actually a bunch of feminists criticizing (or, as you call it, ‘whining’) is and always has been the only thing that’s contributed to change.

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” – Margret Mead

The metagame, THE METAGAME.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE METAGAME!