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Women are “ruined by 23 in most cases. Especially if they went to college,” Red Pillers agree

This is what Red Pillers actually believe
This is what Red Pillers actually believe

This discussion on the Red Pill Subreddit is possibly the Red-Pilliest Red Pill discussion I’ve ever seen: 

Im_Hitler 87 points 7 days ago  Theyre ruined by 23 in most cases. Especially if they went to college. Jesus christ what is wrong with women.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]sirmadam 54 points 7 days ago  The girl who lives next door to me is 16 and already ruined.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]Im_Hitler 43 points 7 days ago  Lol I was talking to my younger cousin last night. Hes about 20 and he says the majority of girls his age had had up to 10 partners by the time they were 16.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]Jigsus 33 points 7 days ago  What the fuck? I bet naked bushwomen have less sex.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]Im_Hitler 24 points 7 days ago  Its probably very specific to the geographical location but the lesson is that girls are only getting alot more sluttier alot younger. Wouldnt surprise me if by 18 they are completely desensitized to sex. Good luck to the poor bastard that LTRs a 'young innocent' girl from that generation.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]sirmadam 24 points 7 days ago  Basically any girl at 16 who is half good looking is completely ruined. I'm holding out for some late-bloomers coming out of their shells. I'm really not down with putting any effort into getting a girl who's had more miles of dick in her than I've walked in the past year.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]Billybob25112 20 points 7 days ago  Eyes half open, blank look on their faces. They all have the stare by the time they're 16.  permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]the10thrider 28 points 7 days ago  Ahh, yes, the Thousand-Cock Stare. hitler2 hitler3

(I had to break the screenshot into three parts, hence the weirdness with the lines.)

In case anyone is wondering: these guys, in addition to being horrible people and probable pedos, are also completely wrong factually. A CDC survey found that men aged 25-44 reported they’d had a median of 6.1 lifetime sexual partners; women reported 3.6. Another CDC survey found that only 9% of women aged 15-44 had more than 15 sexual partners in their lifetime, as compared to 22% for men. Less than 2% of women had more than 5 sexual partners in the last year, as compared to 3.9% of men.

The differences between the numbers for men and women may, in part, be the result of different ideas about what constitutes sex. Men, given to padding the number of partners they’ve had, are more likely to count oral sex and handjobs as sex than women, who are more inclined to want to minimize their number. But even if we assume all the women are lying, their “real” numbers aren’t likely to be any higher than those of their male peers, which are likely exaggerated a bit.

Obviously having a lot of sexual partners is no crime. It’s just a bit weird how obsessed these guys are with women’s “number,” and how prone they are to wildly exaggerate what this “number” is. Combine this with their endless discussions of what they see as the mass “cuckolding” of men by sexually insatiable women and it almost seems like they’ve got some sort of unacknowledged fetish going on here.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, in itself; the problem is that their paranoid fantasies about hypersexual women provide them with an excuse for, well, being the douchebags that they are.

H/T — r/thebluepill

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Dvärghundspossen
5 years ago

I have heard several Red Pill dudes argue, in all sincerity, that 80% of women are having sex with the same 20% of men. I have no idea how (or if) they even try to justify those numbers, but to them it is an obvious, inarguable truth. So your evaluation is basically spot on.

Kootiepatra, we’ve already solved this mathematical puzzle on Mammoth. 🙂 You see, only young and conventionally attractive women count. So what they actually mean is that only 20 % of the men get to have sex with the majority of young and conventionally attractive women.

Thalia
Thalia
5 years ago

@Bryce — Relationships don’t make you jaded unless you are the kind of person who finds the negative and the bitterness in everything. Most people grow and learn from experience.

I have several boyfriends before I met my husband, and a few flings. He still blew me away because I fell so deeply in love with him, and because he was a terrific guy. That’s why he was the one I wanted to stay with for the rest of my life. The prior relationships? Were learning experiences, and I’m really glad I had them. Plus, he ended up looking great by contrast — there were reasons I didn’t stay with the prior guys!

Trust me; if you are a good match with a woman and are a good, caring partner, her prior experiences won’t make her look down on you — they will make you shine even brighter by comparison.

freemage
5 years ago

I first got a glimpse into the truth behind the ‘virginal’ movement when I was in high school. There was a study that came out that showed that girls who play high school sports had a significantly later ‘start-date’ for sexual activity AND were more likely to use safer sex practices. Basically, the self-esteem boost that comes from competitive activity made them more likely to be assertive in turning guys down.

But the traditionalists rejected the implication that girls should be encouraged to engage in sports–because there was also a very slight correlation between high school sports and lesbianism. (Note: With how marginal it was, I always just suspected that it meant that just like being more willing to say ‘no’ to a boy and have it stick, sports increased the confidence of the lesbian students enough to make them more likely to come out of the closet.)

The whole thing is about control of women, nothing more or less.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Catalpa,
There is another group of men the manosphere doesn’t give a rat’s behind for. The elderly need support. Elder care is pretty shitty in the US.

because reasons
because reasons
5 years ago

@Lea
YES! +1 Internets for you!

Minxxa
Minxxa
5 years ago

I think PUA types throw out “jaded” and “bitter”, when a woman doesn’t fall for their BS or blindly go along with what somebody says when their actions are contradictory. No wonder they dislike experienced women so much. They’re too perceptive to fall for the lines.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

sunnysombrera | April 17, 2015 at 7:04 am
Maybe, but I think that the real mentality might be “I want to have been the only man that managed to pull her, that makes me special, or at least one of few. If other guys got to her first that means I’m not as good a PUA as I think I am, which I based my entire self worth on. Waaaah, my fragile masculinity! It’s all her fault for saying yes to someone else!”

“How dare that bitch say yes to a man before she knew of my existence! She exists solely for me and my peen!”

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

On the topic of controlling a woman’s sex life, I recall this documentary being put out a few years back:

because reasons
because reasons
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention
Holy Shit. I hadn’t seen that before and it looks very good (but infuriating)!

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Okay, so in an effort to prove that it’s logically impossible for Red Pillars to demand that men should get to sleep around while women should stay ‘pure’ for each fella, or as close to pure as possible, I’ve managed to create a maths problem that I’m struggling to solve. Because maths isn’t my strong suit. MAMMOTHEER NERDS, HELP.

For the sake of simplicity let’s say there are 50 Red Pillers and 50 virgin women that are conventionally attractive enough for them to desire. For the sake of devils advocate let’s say that none of the women have any concept of bodily autonomy. I know I know, just suspend your disbelief for a second. Each of the RPers wants to bed 5 women but also want each of those 5 to have had no more than two previous partners. How many women must there actually be for this to be plausible?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Oh, and show your work. >:D

p.s if this turns out to be a relatively simple calculation that i could have done myself please don’t think ill of me. I’m tired, okay?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Sorry to spam but let me change the question: what’s the minimum number of women required for that to be plausible? THAT’S what I was stuck on.

Thalia
Thalia
5 years ago

I believe that the Red Pillers want there to be a large pool of conventionally attractive young women who will sleep with scuzzballs they just met, so that the RPs can get laid every night. They also want a large pool of conventionally attractive young virgins who are so naive or have such limited choices that they would be willing to permanently attach themselves to one particular scuzzball and never have any sexual or romantic experience outside that relationship. Then the RPs can sleep with all the women they want, while heaping contempt upon those women for being sexually available — and then go home to naive permanent-property “good girl.”

The madonna/whore complex REQUIRES both madonnas and whores. And, you know, this is actually how it works in most overtly misogynistic societies — there’s a pool of “nice women” whose sexuality is under draconian male control throughout their lives, and a pool of female sex-workers or entertainers who men can and do sleep with freely, who are treated as pariahs outside the bedroom even if they’ve been starved, coerced, or sold into their roles.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Thalia
I agree that they want both madonnas and whores, but the numbers are still impossible. If they want each man on the planet to have a good girl wife AND a large pool of sluts to choose from, there needs to be many many many more women on the planet than there is. Even if they didn’t want every man to have that, in fact. Their dreams simply cannot play out in reality.

Plus, I have seen it banded about among some of them that they expect all their whores to be near virginal as well.

Thalia
Thalia
5 years ago

Oh, yeah — I meant to say that this system also sucks if you are male and poor and can’t buy access from other men to the prostitutes and the pretty brides. It’s like a lion pride — a handful of big male winners who get to sleep with a bunch of lionness, and a bunch of males who are shut out of mating all together. Lions GTOW. These societies suck for almost everybody.

friday jones
friday jones
5 years ago

Apparently sex is the only human activity that you get worse at the more you perform it.

[Trigger Warning: Repulsive Manospherian Sexual Proclivities]
It seems to me that what these guys are saying is that they do not want to have sex with a woman, what they want to do is coerce a crying, squirming, unwilling minor child into submitting to painful assaults of a sexual nature. Grown women who actually enjoy having sex are “ruined” for that purpose.

freemage
5 years ago

sunnysombrera: Since each man is willing to only accept a woman who has had sex no more than twice before himself, but wants to sleep with five total women, it’s actually a fairly simple formula.

In the general case, let Minimum Women = W; Number of Men = M; Maximum number of total partners had by women = P; Minimum number of women had by each men = N.

W = M * (N/P).

Each man in your example needs 5/3 women. Since talking about fractional people is icky, we want something divisible by three–add one dude. 51 men need 51 * (5/3) = 17 * 5 = 85 women.

sevenofmine
5 years ago

sunnsombrera

How many women must there actually be for this to be plausible?

If I’m figuring right, I think there would need to be 125 women in order for 50 men to have 5 partners each while their partners had no more than 2 each. My reasoning is thus: for 50 men to have 5 different partners with the women having only 1 partner each would simply be 50 * 5 = 250 women. If each woman can have 2 partners that’s 250/2 =125 women.

freemage
5 years ago

sevenofmine: That’s what I got when I first started answering, then realized it was 2 prior partners–so three total partners.

sevenofmine
5 years ago

freemage: Ahhh, right you are. They will have had 3 total partners once everyone has boinked.

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

In the realm of the disgusting and disturbing, check out this:

http://www.donotlink.com/framed?686005

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
5 years ago

Okay, late to the party, but I am Groot!, this is completely hilarious:

Wouldn’t surprise me if by 18 they are completely desensitized to sex…

Oh, my sides! Seriously. Is this what you tell yourself when you can’t get anyone hot and bothered? “You’re too desensitive!”

Wow…just…wow.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Another way to think of the pairing problem is as a graph. Each sexual interaction between two people is a line, and each person is a node. There must be 5 lines coming out of each PUA node, and no more than 3 lines coming out of each woman node.

It gives the same formula that others came up with, but maybe it’s easier to visualize. It’s also the main explanation given for why the average number of partners men and women have must be the same (for heterosexual folks, anyway).

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

I didn’rlt see if anyone else posted about AVFM-affiliates tried to mess with a ComicCon:

http://www.themarysue.com/calgary-expo-gamergate-evicted/

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

Jaysus-H-Chriss, I’m dehydrated.
[Transplanting trees.]

That above post is a bit of a word and letter salad.

*ahem*

I don’t know if anyone else has yet posted about this, but some AVFM-ers tried to mess with a Comic Con:

http://www.themarysue.com/calgary-expo-gamergate-evicted/

And thanks to this site, I immediately recognized the names mentioned as being “Gamer Gate-Affiliated” as actually being AVFM douchecanoes without probable actual interest in games, comics, or geek culture.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

First, stipulate a perfectly spherical MRA.

There was a moderately obscure SF series a few decades back, originally by Jacqueline Lichtenberg(IIRC). The Sime/Gen series was set in a future where humanity had split into two mutant strains, one of which produced a biophysical energy (selyn), the other of which needs it to survive. Unfortunately, the transfer process kills the Gen in the process. Since every Sime needs to absorb selyn every month, there needs to be a LOT of Gens. The Gens, understandably, object. The big transformation in society happens when a Sime and Gen discover how to effect the transfer without killing the donor. Some Simes find this a repulsive idea, and violently oppose the change, but are eventually overwhelmed and rendered irrelevant by it. I’m not sure what exactly made all this come to mind.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

@proxieme – Holy cats, Sage Gerard was at a ComicCon? The Honey Badgers must have a had a full-time security detail assigned to keep him from spiriting away any of the cosplayers for a hugs+poetry session.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

“Ahh, yes, the Thousend-Cock Stare”

Is it this look? I couldn’t help thinking of this when I read that bit.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fd/fd8bbbdfae6dda38fa418fc2050c05ae4ce70ba89b249534fad39f07f10dbd4b.jpg

These guys are beyond pathetic.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Proxieme, thanks for that link. Oh, the Honey Badgers got kicked out by the jackbooted thugs of Canada! I did like the quote of the Badgers describing some panel members as ‘donning the ball gowns of victimhood’. No doubt embellished with the lace of misandry and the seed pearls of hypergamy.

Clara
Clara
5 years ago

First ever comment here, so I’m going to say obvious things, but I can’t understand how these guys don’t see rabid insecurity as the source of all this.
If you are upset because your partner has had more partners than you, that’s down to your insecurity.
If you are anxious because your partner may have had better sex with someone else, that’s down to your insecurity.
If you are dismissing as “ruined” any 23-year-old person who has not committed any heinous crime, that’s down to your insecurity.
If you decide stigma and hatred is a good way to punish 23-year-old humans who are guilty of nothing apart from living life and having experiences, you are seriously insecure and dealing with it in a totally dysfunctional way. Talk to someone.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@proxieme:

I read the article, and thank goodness. GWW and Sage Gerard were the two names that jumped out at me, and that alone told me all I needed to know about that.

Oh, and the tweets at the bottom of the page trying to paint the Honey Badgers like victims of CalgaryCon’s evildoing were laughable. Especially the guy who was like “You’re brutalizing women by kicking them out!”

No, they were asked to leave for being rude and derailing other people’s panels. If they wanted to talk about topics like how men are portrayed in comics/games/movies, they could have signed up to start their own panel instead of trying to derail everyone else’s.

And, when you think about it, that’s one of my biggest beefs with the MRM. Y’all could easily go off and start your own discussions and actually do some activism to help out the men you’re so “concerned” about, but you’re so focused on how much you hate feminists and what they have to say that you’d rather spend all your time de-railing them and trying to rustle their jimmies instead of doing something good for your cause.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Thanks for the maths help y’all. Hope I made some nerds happy with that. 🙂

Also kind of relieved to see that the formula wasn’t that simple after all (maybe it was to a maths boffin but not to someone like me. Seriously, anything beyond the basics is like trying to read Ancient Greek).

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

They want women who are inexperienced and so can’t compare them to former lovers; they resent women who are sleeping around but not with THEM–

In addition, I bet they secretly envy these women of their imaginings, the ones who are having all this sexytime. (Don’t they believe “girls can get it anytime they want it”?)

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

This makes my head hurt. This is just pure willful ignorance. These redpill guys are purposefully rejecting reality in order to hold onto their contempt of women and girls.

Of course, it’s not about reality. It’s about the contempt of women and girls. And (ewwwww) wanting to justify creeping on teenage girls.

These guys are assholes.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Re: the quote about “miles of dick”

I remember seeing some random dude on reddit try to do math. It didn’t turn out too well. Basically, he figured that every single penetration of PiV constituted a penis-length worth of dick that woman has had inside her. He then went on to estimate how many penetrations are involved in an average bout of intercourse paired with average penis length.

Yeah… that’s what they mean by “miles of dick.” Every single penetration adds up to devalue a woman.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@kirby

The stupid, it burns.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago


I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
Because the other had more miles of shoe over it than I walk in a year,
And that’s just nasty. I mean, all that rubber decaying in the sun?
The stench of god-knows-how-many miles of sweaty feet?
Gross.

Clara
Clara
5 years ago

In all honesty I don’t think these guys sincerely see the world the way they purport to. I think most of them really want to love someone, and be loved, and are deep down very sincere and anxious about that, and utterly terrified that it may not happen. Because it doesn’t happen for everyone — that’s just how life goes. They can’t cope maturely with their terror, so they express all this seriously neurotic, bitter sour grapes about the whole thing. It’s all a frantic pre-emptive defence.
“I won’t even care if it doesn’t happen because it sucks anyway! (But please let it happen!)”

kmcorby
5 years ago

Losers.

Aura
5 years ago

@reymohammed What did I even just read?

@kirby Your poetry soothes my soul.

@Mamotheers I’ve been a lurker for a while and even posted once or twice but it seems polite to actually introduce myself.

Hello.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Hi Aura!

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Welcome Clara and Aura. Click on the scented candle on the right side of the screen for a welcome package!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Hi Aura! I love your icon! It’s from Contrast, right?

epitome of incomprehensibility

Hello, Clara and Aura! (I’m kind of new too.)

Now, why is 23 such a turn-off point, so to speak? It’s not a multiple of 5, and it doesn’t mark the drinking age of any country I’m aware of. Perhaps it’s 10 years after the average period-having person starts menstruating, and you can’t have periods for 10 years without being old?

All I know is that, for some reason, I couldn’t ever remember the mishmash of consonants that went into the name “Nietzsche” before I was 23. Now I can. Does being able to spell German philosophers’ names without spellcheck make me ruined somehow?

Jaygee
Jaygee
5 years ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility I think they arrived at 23 as the age at which women are ruined because that is the age of a typical undergrad graduate. And according to their twisted world view, women in college are having orgies left and right.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@Jaygee: I’ve got a Bachelor’s degree and I’m still waiting on my orgies.

(Though, a friend of mine managed to hook me up with a lovely lady to be friends with benefits with a day ago and I’m super excited because she seems to be into me as well! *squee*)

Fibinachi
5 years ago

Sorry, “Happy potential future fun” doesn’t fall under the the “hedonistic, orgiastic debauchery what debases and corrodes your vixenly humanity, you wanton hussy” metric. You’re still short one government sanctioned orgy. I suggest contacting your resident advisor.

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Welcome clara and aura. My feminist friend Katie salutes you.

Good luck with that lovely lady, Paradoxical Intention, hope you have a great time and really hit it off.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Fibinachi | April 17, 2015 at 11:59 pm
Sorry, “Happy potential future fun” doesn’t fall under the the “hedonistic, orgiastic debauchery what debases and corrodes your vixenly humanity, you wanton hussy” metric. You’re still short one government sanctioned orgy. I suggest contacting your resident advisor.

I almost spit tea all over my keyboard, Fibbi! How very dare you!

@Spindrift: Thanks! : D We’ve already said to each other that we’re interested and want to get our respective freaks on, but the only issue is that we live very far apart. ; u ; So, I have to wait to schedule some time that she can take off of work/school and I can take off so we can meet each other at our mutual friend’s place (who also lives very far from me).

yurana
yurana
5 years ago

Hey! I’ve been lurking here for a while and decided to comment, because there is something I really don’t get here:
Why are these dudes angry that women are willing to have casual sex? I’m mean wouldn’t that make their “game” easier? After all it is the red pillers who always talk about relationships like they’re on some kind of marketplace. So even they should get, that if women are not willing to have sex before marriage or with more than one partner, it should be significantly more difficult for them to find someone willing to sleep with them. Especially since the red pill mission statement seems to be sleep with as many women as possible without committing to a relationship.
Let’s not even go into that their whole premise is twisted and wrong. Even if their ideas on how the world works were right, by their own logic it would never work, that all women are pure chaste beings of virtue while the men sleep around as much as they possible can.