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Vox Day says his totally-not-racist comments have been taken out of context. In context they’re even worse.

Guys, wait up!
Guys, wait up!

Racist, woman-hating fantasy author Theodore Beale (aka Vox Day) is upset that people are calling him racist. I mean, it’s not like he called all black people “savages,” he objects; he merely called one black woman — speculative fiction author NK Jemisin — a “half-savage” in a portion of a blog post that, he complains, has been taken out of context. Indeed, he sniffs,

the fact that the same ungrammatical excerpt chopped out of the middle of a sentence keeps being trotted out again and again should alert the dialectical mind to the probability that there simply isn’t very much, if any, there there.

Ah, context! A lot of shitheads who say terrible things complain, when others point out these terrible things, that their words have been taken out of context. So I thought I’d do Vox a little favor here and provide the context to his infamous quote so we can all see how much there is there. 

You may notice that the context here does not actually make Vox look any less racist.

I’ve taken the liberty of bolding the especially egregious bits, though to be honest there isn’t much here that isn’t egregious:

Jemisin has it wrong; it is not that I, and others, do not view her as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized for the obvious historical reason that she is not.

She is lying about the laws in Texas and Florida too.  The laws are not there to let whites ” just shoot people like me, without consequence, as long as they feel threatened by my presence”, those self-defense laws have been put in place to let whites defend their lives and their property from people, like her, who are half-savages engaged in attacking them.

Jemisin’s disregard for the truth is no different than the average Chicago gangbanger’s disregard for the traditional Western code of civilized conduct. She could, if she wished, claim that privileged white males are responsible for the decline of Detroit, for the declining sales of science fiction, even for the economic and cultural decline of the United States, but that would not make it true.  It would not even make it credible.  Anyone who is paying sufficient attention will understand who is genuinely responsible for these problems.

Unlike the white males she excoriates, there is no evidence to be found anywhere on the planet that a society of NK Jemisins is capable of building an advanced civilization, or even successfully maintaining one without significant external support from those white males.  If one considers that it took my English and German ancestors more than one thousand years to become fully civilized after their first contact with advanced Greco-Roman civilization, it should be patently obvious that it is illogical to imagine, let alone insist, that Africans have somehow managed to do the same in less than half the time at a greater geographic distance.  These things take time.

Being an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature by “a bunch of beardy old middle-class middle-American guys” than an illiterate Igbotu tribesman has of how to build a jet engine, Jemisin clearly does not understand that her dishonest call for “reconciliation” and even more diversity within SF/F is tantamount to a call for its decline into irrelevance.

In case you want a bit more context, elsewhere in the same post he 1) mocked a man for taking his wife’s name, 2) suggested that one of his female critics was totally not as hot as his wife, the mysterious “Spacebunny,” and 3) reminded anyone who had forgotten that he had “three Billboard-charting club hits,” a fact that evidently makes him irresistible to women.

You see, Vox was briefly a member of a largely forgotten techno group called Psykosonik more than two decades ago. Well, “largely forgotten” by everyone but Vox, that is.

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Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
6 years ago

Vox Day makes a great case for #WhiteGenocide

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

@Nequam

we should take care to properly address The Shitgolem Vox Day by his true title

I approve this message. Further, I shall be stealing the word “shitgolem” for future use.

Re the mysterious “Spacebunny”–

Are there no private investigators (or wealthy people who can afford to hire PIs) among the ranks of Mammotheers? Because I would love to learn whether or not such a person exists outside of Beale’s imagination. If, as many of us suspect, she doesn’t, it would be pretty hilarious to publicize that fact.

It would also be fun to predict his rationalizations for inventing her. (“I was simply making a point about…[whargarbl]”

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Has everyone here heard of the debacle over this year’s Hugo Awards? I was wondering when there would be a post about it, and this seems as good time to bring it up.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/04/the-culture-wars-come-to-sci-fi/390012/?utm_source=SFTwitter

So basically Vox Day was successful in getting a group called the “Sad Puppies” to hijack this year’s Hugo Awards, the most prestigious awards in fantasy and science fiction. It’s not illegal–the Hugos are based on popular vote–but the result is a ballot almost entirely of authors supported or published by Vox Day, many of whom are obscure in the speculative fiction community. Their motivations were apparently to combat perceived SJW elitism in fantasy and sci-fi. Or even more basically: Gamergate, SFF edition.

Some of the more recent developments regarding this have occurred on George RR Martin’s Livejournal, named Not A Blog. He put up around six or seven posts on this subject, including throwing down a gauntlet to Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia, to tell them that they should be doing what they can to call out and denounce Vox Day. Vox Day put up a couple of panicky and hysterical posts in response and put out a call on twitter for goobergaters to harass GRRM. Believe it or not, a few of them did.

Vox Day has also said that if the Sad and Rabid Puppies (dear goddess, but those names are so stupid) slates finish below No Award, as many voters are already saying that they are going to do, en masse, with all of the Puppy nominees, then he is going to call out his army of goobergaters and “Dread Ilk” to permanently nuke the Hugo Awards in 2016. Somebody named Tom Kratman is on record at Torgersen’s blog as stating that he will join Vox Day in doing this.

because reasons
because reasons
6 years ago

Tulgey Logger | April 13, 2015 at 5:27 pm
Vox Day makes a great case for #WhiteGenocide

Umm…I thought we didn’t advocate violence here.

Dorothy
Dorothy
6 years ago

The worst thing is how many people approve of what he says – see the comments under the text…

zarathustratheserpent
6 years ago

Jemisin has it wrong; it is not that I, and others, do not view her as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized.

OK, Voxy. Here’s a little inconvenient facts for you. African people are more homo sapiens sapiens than people in Europe or Asia. When early humans migrated from Africa and into Eurasia they bred with Neanderthals (and probably other hominids). The people who stayed in Africa didn’t.

Well, only two sentences here, but what a fuckload of stoopid to unpack. He ASSumes, first off, that the “Greco-Roman” people were the only civilized game in town. Actually, given their history of looting, sacking and enslavement, they’re the true barbarians. They’re ten orders of magnitude less civilized than any of the peoples they “conquered”. All of whom were not, as he thinks, grunting cultureless savages wandering in the wilderness eating bugs and turds, but actual people with civilizations and cultures of their own. And wealth, too — why else does he think the Roman Empire so lived to plunder?

Tell me about it. Greece has a HEAVY debt to Egypt regarding religion, science, and mathematics to say the least. Other ancient civilizations such as Egypt, Babylon, and Persia, were much more civilized and advanced than the Greeks were, and gave women greater equity than Greece did on top of that.

@M. I agree with you there. Seems Pox likes to string together big, “smart-souding” words to disguise his asshattery and utter ignorance for *real* science and facts. And isn’t it pretty common for racist douchebros (and misogynists) to start with a conclusion they basically made up, then try to logic their way to it, instead of hypothesis, research, experiment, evidence then conclusion?

It’s a trademark among regressive asshole creeps the Web over. Shit still smells, however, no matter how you decorate it.

freemage
6 years ago

Bina | April 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm

What the hell was Egypt if not a tremendously successful advanced (for its time) civilization that lasted for thousands of years, you great stupid git???

Just a bunch of cat-worshipping Africans. No biggie.

Oh, it’s worse than just ignoring Egypt. These shitheads will go through countless contortions to prove that the ruling class in Egypt were ‘whiter’ than the serfs and slaves of the Nile. Never mind that they were also inbred as all get-out, this is considered irrelevant in comparison to their relative pallor.

Bonelady
Bonelady
6 years ago

A couple things: Mr Day was very impressed with Nicholas Wade’s book on human genetics when it came out last year. Most physical anthropologists think it is racist nonsense. So that might be part of the not as H. sapiens as thou thing. Also Mr Day claims that he cannot be racist because he is a Native American, and a POC his very own self. In actuality, he is 1/8 or 1/16 Native American- either a great grandmother, or a great-great grandmother. He isn’t saying which tribe, which I find interesting. He also claims to have the same degree of Hispanic ancestry, so double not-racist, according to him.

tigtog
6 years ago

Lady Mondegreen, re the RSHD’s mysterious Spacebunny: I’m sure that the RSHD’s share of the millions his Dad squirreled away from the IRS in Europe has sufficed in the trophy wife department, and that there has, at least at some point, been a Spacebunny residing with the RSHD. That she’s too sensible to allow him to put photos of her and their kids on his blog only confirms that she’s way out of his natural league and without Daddy’s money she’d have never come near him, so they’re probably both getting exactly what they deserve from the relationship.

Funkula
Funkula
6 years ago

Seconding the appreciation for referring to Mr. Beale as RSHD. I actually preferred a suggestion in the original thread on that name where someone suggested it should be Narcissistic Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit, because that could be sung to Supercalafragilisticexpialadotious. Was a bit sad that never caught on.

Also amused by his apparent mistaken impression that the Romans didn’t have any contact with Africa. Rome wasn’t a European country, it was a Mediterranean one, and Africa happens to be a lot of the terra it was medi.

freemage
6 years ago

RSHD is almost certainly referring to the ‘race realism’ movement, of which, yes, Wade’s book is a part. It’s all part of the same retroactive reasoning that generated the Bell Curve and Evo-Psych.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Also Mr Day claims that he cannot be racist because he is a Native American, and a POC his very own self. In actuality, he is 1/8 or 1/16 Native American- either a great grandmother, or a great-great grandmother. He isn’t saying which tribe, which I find interesting. He also claims to have the same degree of Hispanic ancestry, so double not-racist, according to him.

He says that it was his great-grandmother who was a full-blooded Native and married a Mexican revolutionary. Apparently he is aware of the tribe, and to my knowledge he has not posted that information. What I find particularly funny (in a galling sort of way) is that he literally found out this info last August (prior to that, he thought he was part Asian) and since then has been very prolific in the use of solidarity language to defend his racist views (“my tribe,” “our struggle” et cetera).

That’s not even the kicker, though. Check this out (with bolding for emphasis):

America is land that belongs to white Christian people of European descent, (only after being conquered and taken from my people, of course)

That post is archived for posterity here: https://archive.today/VyRST

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

Ah yes, the old “1/16th Native American of indeterminate tribe” story. My family has one of those legends. My dad is into genealogy and tried to track down this supposed Native connection but of course it didn’t exist.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
6 years ago

Umm…I thought we didn’t advocate violence here.

That’s the beauty of it. #WhiteGenocide is literally just diversity, to which white nationalists who use the #WhiteGenocide hashtag and Theodore Beale are so ardently opposed.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Bonelady,
All white people in the US have a native great grandmother. Just ask them. 😉

I didn’t know that until recently. Once I was informed, it made sense. There were just too many mysterious Indian grandmas. My family had one and my husband’s too. It’s like some sort of weird cultural tradition in white families. Unless you’ve met that grandma or seen a picture, assume she’s mythical. She almost always is.

From what I’ve been told, the mythical Indian seems to rarely be male. I think that comes from the idea that a white man with a non-white bride keeps the power in the hands of the white man. A white woman with a non-white spouse does not put anyone under the control of a white man. *gasp and dismay*

What’s funny is that it is far more likely that (especially south of the Mason Dixon) that we all have a black great grandma. You’ll hardly ever hear them cop to that though. When they do, it is to explain away their racism. At least, that’s been my experience. A blonde dude once explained to me that he could say the “N” word because he was 1/7 black. He had named his little black dog that word so he could yell it when he called his dog. He did not think of himself as racist. Most racists don’t.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Ninjad by deniseeliza. 🙂

yamamanama
yamamanama
6 years ago

Wasabi Tribe, no doubt.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 years ago

I actually preferred a suggestion in the original thread on that name where someone suggested it should be Narcissistic Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit, because that could be sung to Supercalafragilisticexpialadotious.

I’d forgotten about that one. Excuse me for a bit, I’m just going to be over here in the corner sniggering like a six year old for a few minutes.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

Or we could just use Scalzi’s reference to him as the RSHD,

That works too, but The Shitgolem Vox Day has the advantage of possibly evoking the Santorum effect, ie whenever The Shitgolem Vox Day Googles his name he gets the result he so richly deserves.

Thalia
Thalia
6 years ago

One-seventh? Methinks someone’s understanding of math and genetics is as shaky as his understanding of racism.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

I was wondering that too; but I think it can work out wuth various combinations of mixed race grandparents.

Amanda
Amanda
6 years ago

Hey, just thought I’d raise a couple points. It’s my understanding that a lot of the people on the Sad Puppies slate (Jim Butcher, etc) are there only because they said they did not want Vox Day associated with it. Vox day in response created Rabid Puppies, (because he wants to be put down??) and has been running around saying he’s involved with Sad puppies when in fact he’s actually not this year. Unfortunately he was involved in their slate last year, which was a total cluster fuck.

Good news, Sad puppies is trying to get rid of the Vox problem, by nominating more people like Butcher, Lego movie, guardians of the galaxy etc.
Bad news…they still have some vestiges of people who last year defended Vox.

But at least Vox is /technically/ not supposed to be involved with them, having started his own stupid slate. (Apparently he felt Sad Puppies was “not conservative enough”.

smithshadow
6 years ago

@zarathrustratheserpent

You are of course right about the heavy debt Ancient Greece owed to Egypt. The earliest book which mentions this is ‘The Histories’ by Herodotus (other wise known as the Father of Lies/Father of History. Now as this was written before the fall of Greece and the rise of Rome it may be more credible than any of the ‘sources’ Vox’ is quoting.

Also, who can forget Alexander the Great, who conquered Egypt and all of the known world? Should we also forget the earlier civilisations of Babylon, Mesopotamia etc which contributed to the growth of civilisation as we know it today?

Sorry, but the ignorance displayed by Vox infuriates me.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s funny, because my family has no stories of Native American ancestors. We didn’t know we had any until we got DNA tested. I would never call myself a POC though. I hate it when white people try to do that. Usually so they can get a free pass for saying racist shit.

bekabot
6 years ago

If one considers that it took my English and German ancestors more than one thousand years to become fully civilized after their first contact with advanced Greco-Roman civilization, it should be patently obvious that it is illogical to imagine, let alone insist, that Africans have somehow managed to do the same in less than half the time at a greater geographic distance.

If, as I expect, what he means by this is: “it took about a thousand years for the English and the Germans to start creating what I would designate as art after they were contacted (read: colonized and enslaved) by Greco-Roman civilization, so that on that basis I would say that it took them about a thousand years to become what I would designate as ‘civilized'” — then, yeah, so far as his argument goes, I have no major problem with it. I don’t agree with it (it hinges on a very narrow/eccentric opinion as to what’s ‘civilized’ and what’s not) but I’m willing to let that go.

It’s what he follows it up with that doesn’t pass muster. “…it should be patently obvious that it is illogical to imagine, let alone insist, that Africans have somehow managed to do the same in less than half the time at a greater geographic distance.” Whut? — now that’s just sloppy. Nothing is “patently obvious” other that what one observes and what is or is not “logical’ has to be worked-around to fit that framework: it’s not fair and not useful to adapt one’s observations to one’s “logic” or framework and then pat oneself on the back afterwards — though everybody does it to one degree or another, it’s still a hazard to be avoided.

So. You don’t have to “imagine” or “insist” that Africans (later African-Americans) could be culturally creative or even culturally regnant after a forced contact with another civilization when you can see with your own eyes that they’ve done it. It doesn’t matter what the timeline or the timescale was for the English or the Germans or the French — the English and Germans really don’t come into it. It’s not so much true that “these things take time” as that things take the amount of time they take and that they’re not going to take the same amount of time in all cases. You’d have to be blind and deaf not to notice that African people and their forced immigration and their particular experience laid the groundwork for all American music worth talking about, and did so in a very direct way. It also deeply impacted American literature, even non-black American literature, because the black-American literary “slant” was/is deeply transcendental (focused on uplift) and that proclivity reinforced the transcendental(ist) leanings which were already a part of white American writing. Most of the forms of dancing which have “caught on” in American culture have African roots (and they have other roots as well, of course). American demotic speech is, essentially, black. If you are an American and if you’re white, you can’t be disrespectful of black people except at a distinct price, and the price is that you will be, to a very considerable extent, spitting on your own heritage (never mind where your ancestors came from) — and it’s never smart to do that.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

I suspect the Wannabe Tribe.

Ben A. Varkentine
6 years ago

I’m sorry, I still get a huge kick out of “Vox Day”. He’s so *clearly* a total clown whose only value is demonstrating the beating, misogynistic heart of the his “movement.” He is to civil rights what Fozzie Bear is to jokes–and my deepest, deepest apologies to the good Mr. Bear.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

Just to stick my $0.02 in about England (as it wouldn’t be for several hundred years) and the civilising effect of Graeco-Roman influence, it’s possible worth noting that The British Isles (“BI”) had trading ties with the communities around the Mediterranean from at least 6,000BC.

In archaeology we often talk of “sea as land”. In other words a coastal community in the BI probably had closer ties with a coastal community in Europe than it did with another BI community overland. Cornish tin and flint turns up all over Europe and beyond and half the inhabitants of neolithic Salisbury Plain were from abroad, as far away as the Alps.

There was a lot of migration and trade.

The Roman ‘invasion’ of 43AD was as much by invitation as conquest (essentially there was internecine intrigue amongst certain BI tribes and even within the tribes). The Romans had plenty of BI allies when they landed.

Even my heroine Boudicca was from a family of happy collaborators with the Romans. It was a row about a will and the calling in of certain debts that caused all the problems.

To suggest the ‘civilisation’ didn’t arrive in Britain until the Romans is to misunderstand history.

Just to confuse matters further; mythologically Britain and Cornwall are supposedly founded by Trojan refugees just like Rome anyway.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

He says that it was his great-grandmother who was a full-blooded Native and married a Mexican revolutionary. Apparently he is aware of the tribe, and to my knowledge he has not posted that information. What I find particularly funny (in a galling sort of way) is that he literally found out this info last August (prior to that, he thought he was part Asian) and since then has been very prolific in the use of solidarity language to defend his racist views (“my tribe,” “our struggle” et cetera).

Snort. It doesn’t matter how much indigenous and/or Mexican heritage he claims. Or, for that matter, how much English and/or German. He’s still a shitgolem (a word I totally love and hereby vow to use often).

AllisonW
AllisonW
6 years ago

I poked at the blog post and found that he accused John Scalzi of “[describing] himself as a rapist” over that scathing letter in which John Scalzi used *actual* satire to ironically play the role of a rapist who was deeply grateful to conservative politicians for their attacks on abortion giving him more power over the women he victimised.

Because people like Vox Day legit have no understanding of satire or irony and can’t tell the difference between something actually being satire and “satire” just being a word you use after the fact when you’re called on your shit.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
6 years ago

Great minds, howlcat. Great minds. 🙂

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
6 years ago

I’ll bet any amount of money (up to $5) that “fully civilized” means “granting all native male property-holders certain basic human rights, such as sovereignty over their own property and the right to trial by a jury of other native male property-holders”. He gives it away when he says “more than 1000 years after first contact”. He’s got to be talking about the Magna Carta, which is still enormously popular in certain modern political circles. (The general idea of the Magna Carta, I mean, not the actual text.)

A contrarian might say, “How is that ‘fully’ civilized? Haven’t there been other advances in human rights since the Magna Carta”? To which Vox would doubtlessly reply that there’s such a thing as being too civilized.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

@Jenora:

I’d forgotten about that one. Excuse me for a bit, I’m just going to be over here in the corner sniggering like a six year old for a few minutes.

That’s almost as good (or bad) as a Fred Clark discussion about why being motivated to do good from fear of a wrathful God wasn’t really all that wonderul, which spawned the term “enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus”… and the observation that that can be sung to the tune of The Beach Boys’ “Kokomo.”

Just TRY to unhear that now.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Usually when racists throw out the “Africans don’t know how to civilization” claim, they’re not talking about Egypt, but about sub-Saharan African cultures.

So I want to throw out there that there were at least three highly-organized kingdoms in sub-Saharan Africa prior to sustained European domination. The Songhai Empire, for example, flourished while Europe was slogging through the Middle Ages. Anyone who claims that sub-Saharan Africans can’t do civilization because reasons is either lying or ignorant, and I won’t lay any bets on which label best applies to Vox.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

freemage | April 13, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Oh, it’s worse than just ignoring Egypt. These shitheads will go through countless contortions to prove that the ruling class in Egypt were ‘whiter’ than the serfs and slaves of the Nile. Never mind that they were also inbred as all get-out, this is considered irrelevant in comparison to their relative pallor.

I do believe I read somewhere that ancient Egyptian statues and monuments were “restored” in different ways and marred by having their noses removed so that they bore no resemblance to African people.

ObjectiveReality
6 years ago

In case anyone’s curious (I kind of was) this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdIy8PeZoRs is what Psykosonik (including Beale – I checked that this track was from the right album) sounds like.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

All white people in the US have a native great grandmother. Just ask them. 😉

Lol – haven’t found this much in Canada (at least in my neck of the woods) but have seen it a ton online. Busband’s maternal grandmother is Cree, and he doesn’t ever bring it up, or describe himself as a POC, or even think about it really. It’s not a big deal to his mother either, bc it just is.

Anyone ever read one of Shitgolem’s books? I am tempted, but only if there are pirated copies out there somewhere.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

She could, if she wished, claim that privileged white males are responsible for the decline of Detroit, for the declining sales of science fiction, even for the economic and cultural decline of the United States, but that would not make it true.

Well, it wasn’t blacks who decentralized the auto industry, moved the manufacturing plants elsewhere, lost out to the Germans and Japanese in innovation, and fled Detroit for the suburbs.

Christ on a Segway, Vox Day is ignorant.

@tigtog:

Lady Mondegreen, re the RSHD’s mysterious Spacebunny: I’m sure that the RSHD’s share of the millions his Dad squirreled away from the IRS in Europe has sufficed in the trophy wife department, and that there has, at least at some point, been a Spacebunny residing with the RSHD. That she’s too sensible to allow him to put photos of her and their kids on his blog only confirms that she’s way out of his natural league and without Daddy’s money she’d have never come near him, so they’re probably both getting exactly what they deserve from the relationship.

I’ve been curious about Spacebunny too, ever since Scalzi’s “Schrodinger’s Spacebunny” post. Apparently she does exist; Heather Mulheron Beale is his second wife. (What was that about the stability of marriage, again?). But there are some odd things about her. Her Facebook profile is bland, sweet, and self-deprecating, completely unlike her bitchy, obnoxious persona on Twitter, which makes me wonder whether “Space Bunny” is a Vox sock. Also, as Scalzi pointed out, for someone supposedly so hot and camera-friendly, why is there only that one stock photo of her? (Her Facebook account also has exactly one photo of her, in black and white, patting a dog from a distance; and while she does look attractive, she notes that the b&w and camera angle do a great job of disguising her age).

Normally I wouldn’t care enough to investigate a stranger’s FB page, but every time someone disagrees with Vox Day, he trots out the tiresome “but my wife’s HOT!!!” card, as if that’s supposed to end the discussion right there. (His fans also subscribe rabidly to the “Banging A Hot Chick Makes You Right” fallacy). You’d think he’d be flourishing photos of her left and right to prove his point and rub it in the faces of his critics, but nope. Just the one stock photo.

My theory is she’s middle-aged, pleasant-looking but not stunning, and has been forbidden/discouraged from posting her image online lest she undermine the fantasy that Beale has worked so hard to create in his readers.

Kimakhya
Kimakhya
6 years ago

@David Futrelle: “On the neanderthal thing, I ran across a small group of far-rightniks online a couple of years ago who claimed they could tell how much neanderthal that people today have in them by looking at photos of them. They all were sure they were part-neanderthal themselves and therefore superior.”

Honestly, if anthropologists ever determined that Neandertals or other early hominids who mated with humans outside Africa were in the habit of eating their own shit, these chucklefucks would be happily scarfing down the contents of their toilets like it was filet mignon. HEY IT’S PART OF OUR SUPERIOR NON-AFRICAN GENETIC HERITAGE DUDES, IF IT’S NON-AFRICAN THEN IT **HAS** TO BE SUPERIOR.

Shaenon
6 years ago

I was wondering what the Puppies were going on about when they insisted their ballot was ethnically diverse because it includes Vox Day. I figured it was the old “one drop of blood from an Indian Princess” thing, which in reality almost always means “black ancestors the family didn’t want to cop to.”

I’m trying very hard to get added to the Puppy ballots next year. I promise to hate anyone they want me to hate; who cares what I actually write?

Roj
Roj
6 years ago

“I’m sure that the RSHD’s share of the millions his Dad squirreled away from the IRS in Europe”

Ohhh, so VD cannot possibly be a racist because he’s actually a Trustafarian?

yamamanama
yamamanama
6 years ago

It’s ethnically diverse because Portuguese are totally Hispanic, right?

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

Unfortunately, I have no problem understanding how Beale came to think there was no civilization in Africa as it was a view I once had myself before learning the truth; it’s not talked about in the mainstream. We don’t see many historical dramas set in the old African empires, no documentaries on them, no fantasies outside of a mostly self-published group based on those civilizations. The mainstream is content to pretend there were no African civilizations, and so many people grow up thinking all ancient Africans were the crude simpletons from old jungle exploration films.

Anyone ever read one of Shitgolem’s books? I am tempted, but only if there are pirated copies out there somewhere.

I tried to get pirated files but could only find a single book of his, The War in Heaven, which is out of print and written under Beale’s real name rather than his Vox Day pen name. I did read free samples of his book A Throne of Bones in which Beale sure liked showing off his knowledge of Latin. It had me thinking of Normand Spinrad’s The Iron Dream the way the heroes are all humans or near-humans while the villains were all inhuman beasts that are evil because we are told they are evil. It could be the real villains are human too; this was only a preview, so I really couldn’t say. What is evident though is that Beale wanted his own A Song of Ice and Fire, having said he wanted to make a “Christian” alternative to J. R. R. Martin’s series. I have considered getting Beale’s books to mock them, but I really wonder if it would be worth the time and effort.

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6 years ago

@Rabukurafuto

I’m sure if they’re as bad as people say they are, you can find them in the five cent bin in thrift stores. Or used bookstores that have Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray in the window.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

I’m sure if they’re as bad as people say they are, you can find them in the five cent bin in thrift stores. Or used bookstores that have Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray in the window.

I was under the impression that Beale’s works aren’t mainstream enough for wide distribution like that. I doubt I would see his books in a major book chain. I checked the Barnes & Noble website and found the only physical copies of A Throne of Bones are used hardcovers for $50 and over. It looks like the only books of his carried at book stores are the “nonfiction” The Irrational Atheist and The Return of the Great Depression.

yamamanama
yamamanama
6 years ago

Anyone ever read one of Shitgolem’s books? I am tempted, but only if there are pirated copies out there somewhere.

I’ve read the War in Heaven. It’s not even “so bad it’s good,” it’s just boring and preachy.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@Rabukurafuto

When did Barnes & Noble turn into a thrift store or used book store? 😛

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
6 years ago

When did Barnes & Noble turn into a thrift store or used book store? 😛

The Barnes & Noble site has always offered where to order used books. So does Amazon (which has a more extensive set of used bookstore offers), and again the only offers begin at $50. It looks like this book was never a paperback.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Hatereading is rarely worth it. Done right, though, it can be wonderful.

I remember reading Mark Reads Twilight after chroniclurker (who lurks quite well) introduced me to his blog, and some of those entries got hilarious.

Most hatereading just gives people annoyed faces, though.