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Sad news, white ladies: Some dude on the internet won’t date you any more

Well, ok, he WOULD date Audrey Hepburn
Well, ok, he WOULD date Audrey Hepburn

UPDATE 9/19/18: Yes, this is the same Mark Judge who allegedly helped Brett Kavanaugh allegedly try to rape a 15-year-old girl. For more on his creepy writings and even creepier videos, see my post here

By David Futrelle

I hope you’re happy, white ladies. You have tempted fate with your evil white lady ways, and now you will be paying the price: Some dude named Mark Judge will no longer be dating you.

To be fair, he won’t be dating white men either — he’s straight — but he seems a bit more worked up about the women.

In a post earlier this week on Real Clear Religion, Judge, a right-wing Catholic who is himself white, explained Why I Won’t Date Secular White Women. It’s really quite simple: they’re soulless sluts who don’t know how to love: 

White women in the West — like white men in the West — have lost their souls. Triangulated between a feminism that preaches perpetual outrage, a porn culture that turns love into a biology lesson (and which has made it into our sit-coms, movies, and music) and a hard conservatism that ignores art, many Western women have lost the capacity to appreciate and create beauty, to wonder and delight, to genuinely love.

I guess before “porn culture” and raunchy sit-coms, love was chaste and pure and didn’t require anyone to put any part of themselves inside of anyone else.

Oh, and he’s apparently not a big fan of iPhones, or women with a sense of humor.

Bombarded into spiritual catatonia by rage politics, digital devices, easy sex and irony, American women don’t seem to have wisdom, but sarcasm. Instead of joy, they trade in snark. They take flirting to be sexual harassment. Claiming to be “spiritual but not religious,” they are neither.

As he sees it, the western women of today just can’t compare to the much higher quality of western women in days gone by.

[I]t wasn’t so long ago that there were women in the West who had both brilliance and the capacity to wonder … Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz, Bille [sic] Holiday, Joan Didion, Elizabeth Taylor, Edna St. Vincent Millay, and Audrey Hepburn — to name just a few — were women who have no contemporary equal, at least in the decadent Western world.

It’s an odd list for many reasons. For one thing, nearly half the women on it (Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz, and Joan Didion) are very much alive. The “contemporary equal” of Annie Leibovitz would probably be … Annie Leibovitz. The “contemporary equal” of Joan Didion would be Joan Didion.

But let’s let that slide, because, aside from these six white gals, and “Bille” Holiday, we still don’t know what sorts of ladies he would date.

The answer? Foreign ladies who are all “receptive” and shit.

Compared to white women, women from other parts of the world offer genuine substance. I was lucky enough to date someone from another culture for several years. She was from India, and had in abundance what most women in the West have lost: what the philosopher Dietrich von Hildebrand called “receptivity to values.”

And it helps if they’ve never seen an ocean before.

Dating someone from India brought me into contact with a culture that is still receptive to values as von Hildebrand understood them. My girlfriend clutched my hand in delight at dance concerts and wept when she saw the Atlantic Ocean for the first time.

Also, fans of 2 Broke Girls are definitely OUT. Total dealbreaker!

India — like Africa and Japan and other non-Western cultures — still sees with open eyes. They have dance that flatters rather than degrades the female body, colorful and embodied religious ritual (hands folded, my girlfriend would greet the sun morning at the beach), and food as soulful restitution and not just bodily nourishment. We have cupcakes and 2 Broke Girls.

I haven’t ever watched 2 Broke Girls, but what the hell is wrong with cupcakes?

Weirdly, Judge seems to have forgotten that there are a variety of not-white women in the US that don’t come from exotic foreign lands. Aside from a brief snarky comment about Jennifer Lopez, he seems unaware that there are quite a few other latina women in the US. He mentions Africa, but doesn’t seem much interested in American-born black gals.

Of course, he might still be sore because a couple of years ago a black person stole his bike.

Well, he thinks it might have been a black person. In a 2012 post on the Daily Caller, Judge wrote about the day his feelings of white guilt ended forever — the day someone stole his beloved bike, which he’d left locked to his car in a predominantly black area in Washington DC.

I could be pretty certain that on Good Friday a member of the Little Sisters of the Poor, which is across the street from where I was parked, had not nicked my bike. Neither had the monks at the Dominican House of Studies on the corner. The students at Catholic University were on Easter break. That left the neighborhoods around the university. Since the time I was an undergrad at Catholic University in the 1980s, most of the crime that has occurred on campus has come from those neighborhoods, which are predominately black. …  I knew that the odds were very high that a black person had taken my bike — maybe one of the [neighborhood] kids … .

You know, Mark, it might be a good idea if you didn’t date anybody, regardless of race, creed, color, or national origin.

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Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

Would it be snide to note that he didn’t marry the value-receptive, from-an-exotic-culture girlfriend whom he “dated for several years”?

Would it be crass to ask if he respected the sanctity of marriage and traditional relationships by refraining from sexual activity with her?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

“Receptivity,” in the von Hildebrand sense, is a willingness to be shaped by something external. He wants an exotic woman he can manipulate, who is willing to be shaped by his “values.” Great.

Reading his description of non-American culture makes me vividly imagine commercial-land; where all the non-white folks are decked out in foreign clothing, the food is filmed crisply against the setting sun, and the colors are super-saturated eye sugar.

And, as in commercial-land, the comparison is between smiling people nodding along to triumphant music and people frustrated with simple tasks shot in black-and-white with a wa-wa trumpet.

Adam Pack
6 years ago

I completel agree with him. Cupcakes are the worst kind of cake.
Everything else he said was toss, but he’s right about the cakes. And that’s the main thing.

odaran
odaran
6 years ago

“Bombarded into spiritual catatonia by rage politics, digital devices, easy sex and irony, American women don’t seem to have wisdom, but sarcasm. Instead of joy, they trade in snark. They take flirting to be sexual harassment. Claiming to be “spiritual but not religious,” they are neither.”
Perhaps it is just some women responding to his PUA attempts. I imagine that the more men use their game on women, the more women will be suspicious of men generally. When PUAs advise men to use game, in the long run they just make it more difficult for all men.

Nick Gotts
Nick Gotts
6 years ago

Von Hildebrand is an interesting choice for a source of “values. While admittedly an opponent of the Nazis, von Hildebrand was an admirer of the Austrian clerical-fascist leader Engelbert Dolfuss, and the author of a work entitled Der Christliche Ständestaat (“The Christian Corporative State”).

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
6 years ago

but what the hell is wrong with cupcakes?

He explains it in the very paragraph you’re quoting: He wants “food as soulful restitution and not just bodily nourishment.”

That said, I don’t see how it’s the cupcakes’ fault. It’s his own fault for eating them. He could just donate them to the local soup kitchen as restitution for his various sins, and if it’s a church-based soup kitchen then I think that counts as “soulful restitution”. Anyway, if he doesn’t eat them, they won’t provide bodily nourishment.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Who eats cupcakes for bodily nourishment?

Seriously though, “soulful restitution” comes from a state of mind, not from your food. A cupcake could be the most spiritual, profound, divine bite of spongey sugar-frosted goodness you’ve ever had if you ate it with the right attitude.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

He clearly hasn’t had a really good cupcake.

Also, I would be interested in hearing his (presumably) ex-girlfriend’s account of their time together. Call me cynical, but I suspect it would be divergent from his.

Thalia
Thalia
6 years ago

I think you aren’t supposed to eat for pleasure, because bodily pleasure is sinful and also because fat chicks = totes gross and not spiritual.

Thalia
Thalia
6 years ago

Also, I love the hell out of Elizabeth Taylor, but she was an adulterous multi-married diamond-laden materialist, one of whose finest roles was as a foul-mouthed promiscuous drunken harridan. How does THIS guy see her as anything but decadent and porny and angry? I think he might be confusing “capacity for wonder and brilliance” with looking stunningly beautiful (as Taylor unquestionably did).

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@Robert

Alleged ex-girlfriend from India. Kinda like everybodies’ alleged squeeze from Canada.

El Guy
El Guy
6 years ago

Well, I don’t think it’s odd that the author of this profound think piece has included still very much alive Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz and Joan Didion on his list of ghosts of brilliant and wonder inspiring past.

After all, these women have made the mistake of becoming old. True, with the wisdom of their years, they might offer the genuine substance so sought after by Judge. But, I ask of you, can they still dance in a way that flatters the female body?

Does it matter? They are old and thus not on Judge’s radar anymore. As he clearly measures women’s worth by his narrow standards for dateability, how can he refer to them in any other way than the past tense?

friday jones
friday jones
6 years ago

“Thank you for giving me the Atlantic Ocean to gaze at, Great White Father! Now please teach me more about your traditional Western values while I strike a prayerful pose on the beach.” -No Real Woman Who Ever Actually Existed

friday jones
friday jones
6 years ago

I know, right, Jackie? I suspect he’s never spent more than five minutes in a row talking to a woman from India unless she was dealing with him at her workplace. Most of the Indian women I know personally are cosmopolitan, thoroughly modern women. The only ones that seem old-fashioned are their grandmothers.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
6 years ago

The idea that women, or people in general, were “classier” back in the day is bullshit. It’s just that the media only focused on middle-class and upper-class white people and social standards meant they couldn’t be as open about their vices.

Audrey Hepburn was divorced twice. Of course, that doesn’t mean she wasn’t an amazing, stunningly gorgeous, fabulous woman who raised money against the Nazis with ballet and worked tirelessly for UNICEF in her old age at all, but it does mean that the rose-tinted image of yesteryear’s women as virginal and conservative is shallow and unrealistic when applied to real people.

And as for the rest of the list…it’s like, dude, are you even trying? Elizabeth Taylor is almost as known for her seven marriages as for her great beauty. Billie Holiday was a prostitute at 14 and had drug problems. And Edna St. Vincent Millay…wait, what??? The second fucking line on her Wikipedia page mentions her “feminist activism and her many love affairs.”

yutolia
yutolia
6 years ago

I’m so sad you won’t date me, Mark. So sad.

Oh, oops, sorry. I think I actually meant “glad”.

rtk
rtk
6 years ago

“It’s an odd list for many reasons. For one thing, nearly half the women on it (Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz, and Joan Didion) are very much alive.”

I’m going to go out on climb here and say that when mark Judge talks about women who exemplify his view of female virtue and quality, one of the things he’s assuming is that they aren’t over 30.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@friday jones

I’m pretty sure he just pulled an “example woman” out of his ass, too. Or he briefly knew and hung around such a woman and greatly exaggerated their relationship and her actions. Like, maybe he once met an Indian woman who got sand in her eyes at the beach.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

It’s an odd list for many reasons. For one thing, nearly half the women on it (Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz, and Joan Didion) are very much alive. The “contemporary equal” of Annie Leibovitz would probably be … Annie Leibovitz. The “contemporary equal” of Joan Didion would be Joan Didion.

This makes sense in the mind of someone who thinks women cease to be women the moment he ceases to be attracted to them. Over 25? Pretty much the same as being dead.

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

Well, he sounds like a load of fun. I know most of the single white ladies I know have “spontaneously emits tedious rightwing Catholic blather” in their top five list of desired characteristics in a life partner, so I’m sure they’ll all be devastated by the news

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Smooth ninja skills rtk.

Charles RB
Charles RB
6 years ago

“India — like Africa and Japan and other non-Western cultures — still sees with open eyes.”

Yes, the magical Other is open eyed and naive and like children. There are no cultural dogmas and industrialised areas and culture clashes in these exotic places.

Thalia
Thalia
6 years ago

Do you think he’s really under the impression that “Africa” is a country? Probably one where the open-eyed, wonder-capable women all have bones through their noses?

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

In his defense, there’s absolutely no cultural differences across the whole African continent. Everyone there looks the same, speaks the same language and worship the same gods in the same way. I mean, the only reason there’s any borders there at all is so that the Western world doesn’t have to change its maps; they’re quite polite that way, those Africans.

(I’m an editor, and that tendency to lump everyone in Africa together – with its slightly less-common tendency to pretend that Asia is more-or-less homogenous – is a pet peeve that I doubt I’ll ever see the back of.)

Shalimar
Shalimar
6 years ago

It’s an odd list for many reasons.

Reason 1) His awesome white women of the past are all extremely famous artists. “I won’t date american women because the actresses and musicians and poets who create our television shows aren’t as creative as they used to be” is a pretty silly reason for turning up your nose at Stella from accounting.

Reason 2) In explaining why white women of today suck compared to women of the past, he would totally date Billie Holiday because she was awesome. She was indeed awesome, but not in any way Mark Judge would consider noble and pure enough for him. He clearly knows nothing about her life other than that he likes her voice. It’s not even clear that he knows she wasn’t a white woman.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Wait, so I don’t have to worry about this asshole hitting on me or trying to weasel his way into my love life? Just because I’m one of those “vile White western women”?

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CUPCAKES FOR EVERYONE!

It’s an odd list for many reasons. For one thing, nearly half the women on it (Sophia Loren, Annie Leibovitz, and Joan Didion) are very much alive. The “contemporary equal” of Annie Leibovitz would probably be … Annie Leibovitz. The “contemporary equal” of Joan Didion would be Joan Didion.

Yeah, but they’re all old and uggo now because they’re no longer under the age of 25, so they might as well be dead to Marky here.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Damn, ninja’d by rtk.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Apparently, Judge doesn’t know that Japan and China are two of the most atheist countries in the world while the US is one of the most religious. Oops.

One might suspect it’s the submissive stereotype of Asian women he finds attractive and his preferences have nothing to do with spirituality.

Also, as others have stated, his idea of what Indian women are like bears no resemblance to any Indian women I’ve ever met. One woman hardly represents all women from a country that has a population of about a billion.

I’m also pretty sure that he does indeed, think Africa is a country with a monolithic culture.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

“My image of foreign women is that they’re like children, and that’s what I’m looking for.”

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention

rtk didn’t have a Barney Stinson .gif though, so you still get points! 😀

NotCool
NotCool
6 years ago
misseb47
misseb47
6 years ago

“Some dude named Mark Judge will no longer be dating you.”

OMG!!!!! O.O ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not! XD

“You know, Mark, it might be a good idea if you didn’t date anybody, regardless of race, creed, color, or national origin.”

I second that one!!

Paradoxical Intention-Thanx for the cupcake! 😀

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

Uh, I know that India is a big country and everything, but it kind of has a lot of coastline. And if the lady he’s talking about was an immigrant from india, then she at least saw the ocean from the air, seeing as how they would have to fly over it to get to the US. Granted, seeing things from a plane are significantly different than on the ground, but I’m smelling a strong whiff of bullshit at his story about an Indian lady who weeped at the beauty of the ocean upon seeing it for the first time.

kravkernow
kravkernow
6 years ago

The Indian Ocean is the third biggest body of water on Earth; it’s kind of hard to miss. I know India is pretty big too, but they have trains, buses, in fact all sorts of ways of traveling.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Yes, the magical Other is open eyed and naive and like children. There are no cultural dogmas and industrialised areas and culture clashes in these exotic places.

There’s also absolutely nothing fucked up with assuming that the exotic Other exists to be guided gently into true morality by white men. The Other has no intrinsic morals, and what passes for morality in those areas isn’t believed very strongly and Other people can be persuaded out of those wrongheaded ideas as soon as an upstanding white Christian appears on the scene.

Shadow
Shadow
6 years ago

I mean, the Atlantic ocean is nice and all, but it’s not THAT different to the Indian ocean. That, and it’s a shit ton colder

zombie rotten mcdonald

I’ll bet he wouldn’t actually date Audrey because her eyebrows are not acceptable and make his weenie sad.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

food as soulful restitution and not just bodily nourishment

Dude has obviously never sampled a really fine plate of biscuits and gravy.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
6 years ago

You know, maybe this guy just randomly named some 1950s sex symbols because OF COURSE they would be the epitome of virtue! It’s the 1950s! Men and women weren’t even allow to give curt handshakes to each other unless they were married and “the gays” didn’t exist, so OF COURSE anyone famous then would be the ABSOLUTELY CHASTE FOREVER.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

many Western women have lost the capacity to appreciate and create beauty, to wonder and delight, to genuinely love.

…says a western man who doesn’t appreciate the beauty around him in the here and now, can’t create any for shit, is too busy moaning about the lost capacity of modern women to “wonder and delight” to do so himself, and apparently can’t genuinely love either, because he’s too busy nurturing his ridiculous prejudices under a big wet blanket of sweeping idiotic statements.

Yeah, my heart bleeds that he won’t date me. Just leaves more of me for the awesome dudes who would.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Flying Mouse | April 9, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Dude has obviously never sampled a really fine plate of biscuits and gravy.

I actually have the best story about biscuits and gravy, holy shit!

So, as I mentioned on the other thread, I used to work in a restaurant in a casino, and my favorite shift was graveyard because it was quiet and we got a bunch of really nice people in there. Some drunk, some not. The couple in this instance was drunk, the man much more so.

So, apparently they’re from Canada, and they came down to Nevada for a visit. The man looks over our menu, and gets the biggest grin. He looks up at me and asks excitedly: “You guys have biscuits and gravy?!”

I can’t help but smile back at his excitement, and confirm it. He puts his menu down and says “I want the biscuits and gravy please!”

So, I turn to his wife and she giggles a bit and explains they don’t have biscuits and gravy in Canada (which I was able to confirm later with a friend of mine’s mom who came from Canada. She said she heard the gravy referred to as “floor paste”.)

So I get their orders, and the guy digs in, happy as a clam. And they left a nice tip too.

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

I know that guys like Judge try really hard to sound intelligent, evolved, and/or educated, but they fall flat. Every time.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Paradoxical Intention – that story put a big smile on my face.

As far as I know, all the Canadian gravy is dedicated to poutine.

zyvlyn
zyvlyn
6 years ago

To be fair to this idiot, I wouldn’t want to date a woman (of any race) who found 2 Broke Girls funny either.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Eh, 2 Broke Girls is bad for quite a few reasons, but it does make the occasional good point.

There was one episode where a guy and a woman come in, and the woman orders burgers and fries. The guy corrects her and says “No, she’ll have the salad.” She argues that she wants the burger and fries. He counters with “You don’t need the burger and fries.”

She finally acquiesces to the dickbag, and goes to use the restroom.

The waitress comes over and tells him to get out.

The waitress does say some uncomfortable things in her rant to him, but for the most part, it does boil down to “Don’t tell your significant other what they can and can’t eat because that’s a dick move.”

So, points for them on that one.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

These “I don’t want to date western women anymore! I’m going to date women from another country that will appriciate me!” rants always translates to “I want a woman who will put up with my insecure, abusive garbage and do whatever I want them to do” not only misognist but kinda racist too.

Shalimar
Shalimar
6 years ago

They’re basically looking for a really pretty puppy who can do housework and have children, so yeah, a whole lotta racist.

Xanith
Xanith
6 years ago

Huh, he includes Japan in a list of cultures with “dance that flatters rather than degrades the female body”? Clearly he’s never seen an AKB48 video.

…Or realized that much of Japanese traditional dance grew up in the sex industry. It’s almost like he knows nothing about the cultures of these women he’s fetishizing!

PussyPowerTantrum
PussyPowerTantrum
6 years ago

@Shalimar

She was indeed awesome, but not in any way Mark Judge would consider noble and pure enough for him.

Maybe the attraction is that she stuck it out with her abusive husband/pimp? I wouldn’t put it past Judge to be ignorant of her race, but it’s beyond me how anyone can hear her voice and believe her to be white.

For a real rage-read about a perfect shitstorm of the the War on Drugs, racism, and misogyny, I recommend The Hunting of Billie Holiday. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/drug-war-the-hunting-of-billie-holiday-114298.html#.VSdHaV3lI0M

As for the OP, holy Orientalism Batman! In addition to India and Africa (as others have pointed out, this is supposed to be one culture now?) he lists Japan as one of those places where women are unsullied, which is a) laughable, b) creepy, and c) alarmingly close to where I live. I need your help, white sisters! How do I pass myself off as a secular white woman and make myself totally undesirable to asshats like this guy? Do I dye my hair blonde? Or will just swearing a lot send them away?

Linked for relevance: 10 highlights from the sadly deceased creepywhiteguys Tumblr. http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/10-ridiculously-offensive-things-people-tell-asian-women-on There’s now a Volume 2, because evidently this shit never ever ends. http://creepywhiteguyspart2.tumblr.com/

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

He must seriously believe that traditionally-raised foreign women are all hopelessly naïve numbskulls who are easily impressed by everything, including him. Who, I gather by the underwhelming drivel he writes, is NOT an impressive man by any measure. Little wonder, then, that “Western” women are too jaded for the likes of him. He can’t wow them, so he yatters on about how corrupted and degraded they are. Truth be told, they’re just too smart for him…and he’s just too dim and racist to realize that women from other lands are also smart, and likely either too polite, or too stymied by language barriers, to tell him so.

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