So one young fellow went to the Ask The Red Pill subreddit earlier today with what almost looked like a good question, at least for someone whose thoughts about women have been distorted by Red Pill thinking: “How can I learn to appreciate women for what they are?”
Alas, it turned out that his question, and his situation, was a bit more complicated than it at first appeared. For young somthsomth is not some predatory pickup artist who wants to challenge his own misogyny and learn how to appreciate women as more than mere sex objects.
No, there’s a bit more involved than that.
An introvert who lost his virginity at age 23 (not that there’s anything wrong with this), somthsomth is convinced that all the women who’ve had sex with him since then were just “doing it as a favour, thinking about someone else while at it.”
These days, he says, despite learning the correct Red Pill ways to score the HBs, he
ignore[s] women unless there is something in for me, business wise. … I don’t see any of this as a worthwhile conquest any more. I can be happy alone and by myself. Masturbate if needed. When our eyes lock I see them riding CC and think about how it really is. How they had someone elses tongue in their mouth last week and someone elses cock in them. Probably same tomorrow. Why would I even want to put my tongue there any more or worse, cunnilingus around the hole where so many others have been. This feeling makes me sick. To touch something like that.
Uh, what? I don’t think you need advice from Red Pillers. I mean, no one ever does, but that goes double in your case. What you need is to talk to a therapist. And I mean that literally. Your issues aren’t going to be solved on Reddit, even if you ask your questions somewhere less toxic than Ask TRP. Seriously: it is unlikely you will ever be happy unless you get actual professional help.
But, what the heck, let’s see what sort of advice the Red Pillers had for you.
“Now that you are becoming more attractive and have a wider selection of women, you will see that a lot of them are CC riding sluts with meaningless jobs and meaningless hobbies,” dinkle_berrg noted. “These girls are for fun, but I see they make you sick.”
The solution? Look for nice girls in that sea of shallow “CC riding sluts.” Even though, you know, they’re mostly shallow “CC riding sluts.”
pilledgod agreed, explaining that even though All Women Are Like That (AWALT), “some are more clean, fun, and rewarding overall.”
Others pointed out that it is possible for even committed Red Pillers to appreciate women as the clearly inferior but sometimes entertaining creatures they are.
“I used to be annoyed that girls were never philosophical,” wrote cofair, “but Sometimes you just want to live in the moment and stop being so cynical. They have a childlike wonder that I will never have again.”
RealRational had some very, er, rational thoughts on the matter.
I can definitely relate to that “ew” feeling you get when you realize what women really are. As others have said in here, there are good ones and bad ones. Looking at it as a transaction with assigned values is really the best way to do it. Some are higher value, decide where your floor is.
NOTE: Try to do the math in your head. It’s a little offputting to women if you whip out a calculator while you’re assigning values.
Also, remember that defective women can, to some degree, be repaired:
But the thing is that this is what women are. They can be trained to be better, just as boys can be made into men, TRP is very helpful in that regard. But you can never let your guard down with them, your frame. … .
The real question is: Are women worth more to you than booze and pot?
[A]ll you have to decide is if the risks are great enough for you to deny yourself this luxury, women. Women are a luxury, like alcohol or weed, a vice that you allow yourself as reward for hard work.
RealRational thinks that they probably are:
Personally I think if you deny yourself the experience of the feminine you are doing yourself great discredit. The masculine exists to drive innovation, progress. It is the embodiment of discipline, the only effective tool at shaping the universe according to your own will, your own desires. The feminine is our reward for doing so. It provides a safe harbor, a place of refuge from the toils of life.
Oh, and RealRational has some ReallyRational thoughts on homosexuality, which for some reason he feels the need to share at this point. Apparently it’s the fault of society not liking macho dudes enough?
The need for [the feminine] lies at the very heart of every man, which means “gays” are nature’s response to an imbalance. Society demonizes everything masculine? Nature says “fine, then both genders can be feminine and your entire species can die”. Fortunately for us nature is never absolute in it’s adjustments.
In the meantime, get out there and spin some plates!
Women, higher quality women, do have a lot to offer that will lessen your burden and make your toil much more bearable by virtue of providing you a healthy, happy home to find respite in which allows you to more fully rest which allows you to more effectively work. That’s what “home” is. But even a plate, if she’s able to offer you this safe haven for even a single night, is still valuable. Just less valuable than the former.
SariaLystra was also big on the whole “training” thing, although all he seemed to want to train women to do was to clean his house:
Make them into your personal maid. I’m not kidding: you’re instilling value into them and then getting something out of it. If she isn’t serving you, she’s not worth anything to you other than being a wet hole.
Balalasaurus summed up the whole Woman Question with a simple analogy. Because women are, essentially, just like dogs, only hopefully a bit less furry.
Dogs lick themselves whenever they feel like. They shit in public and don’t give a damn where. When they throw up, they usually eat their own puke.
Does that mean that they’re any less enjoyable as pets? Does it take anything away from the fact that they are man’s best friend? Similarly, women will behave the way they do because its their nature. You can’t hold it against them. Doing so will cause you endless frustration.
Exactly. So if a woman shits on your living room rug, or humps your leg, or starts drinking out of the toilet, remember: That’s just the way they are!
Also, Balalasaurus thinks that maybe our boy somthsomth should try a cooking class. Dogs love cooking!
What you could do is change the context where you meet women. For example instead of trying to meet women at a bar, instead meet them at places where you get to do the things you enjoy like a cooking class for example. I’m not saying that will eliminate the CC riders, but the quality of women that you will find will be that much closer to what you really want.
Just don’t start feeding them table scraps. That will encourage begging.
H/T — r/thebluepill
I was going to say “First comment. Yay!” Then I realised that there is nothing whatsoever to be said about this.
I would really like to know if they are meeting and talking to actual women in the real world. How do they know that women’s hobbies are meaningless? How is it they judge women’s work as meaningless? How can someone judge a person he doesn’t know in that way?
I also don’t get the obsession with who a woman has kissed or been to bed with. I mean, women shower doods, and they brush their teeth.
Finally, do they not think that they themselves are not dirty? Are they not soiled by having had sex with lots of women?
I can’t even.
Oh yeah, because that’s what women want: To take care of the furrowed brow and aching feet of the Galts and the Edisons.
@Scarlettathena:
No, these guys are deep into the self-help guru Tom Cruise played in Magnolia. “Worship the cock! Tame the c*nt!”
Wow. “Look for women who share your hobbies and interests.” What a novel idea.
This literally makes me want to tattoo the number of men I’ve had sex with (42) on my forehead so assholes like this are as repulsed by me as I am by them and leave me alone forever. Ew ew ewww.
Also, I would make a terrible maid. I love clutter and chaos.
If my job is meaningless, what does that say about my male colleagues doing EXACTLY THE SAME WORK??
Obviously a man should be cleaner after having sex with a woman. Women absorb all the filth from men. They’re like sponges, which is why it’s not helpful to have sex with a woman who has had sex with a lot of men, a dirty sponge is not useful.
This is why what’s-his-face feels that he shouldn’t have to wipe his butt. If he were getting enough sex, he’d be clean.
They consider women’s interests, hobbies, and jobs meaningless and wonder why they can’t hold a decent conversation with one. Like, hint it’s not because women are stupid and lack commentary and “philosophy” it’s that you’ve already decided everything they like, do or say that is for them and not you is meaningless.
Because of how they react to women in “their” area of interests I can only just imagine them going to a cooking class and accusing any women there of being “fake girl chefs, only pretending to like cooking so men will like you. CAN YOU EVEN LIST 10 CLASSIC ITALIAN DISHES???? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT PEPPER IS??”
Men Going Their Own Way … toward the event horizon of their own insignificance … and hopefully out of the galaxy at light speed.
(* Silently sucked into The Black Hole of Inconsequence. *)
“I bet you only do girly cooking like muffins! Most girls couldn’t make a souffle! That’s what a REAL chef makes.”
Next time I run into the Rhoads Scholar philosophy professor lady that I took a class with last spring, I’ll make sure to compliment her on her childlike wonder.
Maybe this is why misogynists men so oppose women enjoying “their” professions and hobbies? Because they will then either be forced to see their “own” interest and jobs as meaningless, or admit that at least some women have interests and jobs that are not meaningless.
Or they may even, *ghasp*. be forced to reconsider their misogyny!
It sounds to me like somthsomth does have some sort of issue with being disgusted by sex; it’s hard to tell if it’s rooted in misogyny or if he’s just framing it in a misogynistic way. I mean, is he really grossed out by the fact that another guy has kissed a woman he’s kissing or is he just grossed out by kissing? Red Pill dudes are pretty much the last people on earth he should be asking for advice on this.
“Women are like dogs. Women are rewards. Women are maids. Women are a luxury and a vice. Women can be trained. Women are a wet hole. Women cannot talk about philosophy. Women have childlike wonder.”
This is saddening. Once again women are reduced to being something less than human while these MRA’s are the one who exist to drive innovation? Do they ever read and think about the drivel they write?
When I read bs like this I am just really, really happy that I don’t live in an awful fantasy world, like these dudes do.
I mean obviously they get something out of pretending that women are just those lesser alien creatures and that they themselves in their über-manly manliness inherited all of humanity’s accomplishments due to their Mighty Penis(TM), but I don’t know… is this really worth it?
It’s ironic that they compare women to dogs, because I’ve always compared mras to dogs. As in, if I wanted another smelly beast who leaves hair all over my house and expects me to pick up his shit in my life, I’d get a second German Shepherd.
What a bunch of hypocritical winging shit popsicles. : /
“Women’s hobbies/jobs are all meaningless! I can’t even make eye contact with a woman who may have had another man’s peen inside of them! Women should be your maids!”
No wonder they have so many problems with women. There’s no “manual” for how to handle another human being. They seem to only understand the world and everything in it as their playthings or objects to do work.
For fuck’s sake.
QFT.
Because everything feminine = bad. And if someone feminine likes something they like, it’s forever tainted with THE COOTIES.
And people wonder why I’m a feminist. Seriously.
Maybe it’s time that these idjits understand that this shouldn’t be about expanding the “masculine” box and shoving out everything feminine, but rather de-demonizing the feminine stuff and teaching men and boys that everything “girly” isn’t radioactive and is safe to touch, or even to like.
I’ll never understand why so many people consider the “masculine” to be the stronger of the spectrum, but at the slightest brush with the “feminine”, it crumbles to dust. Or runs away shrieking like its hair is on fire.
@NicolaLuna
Not for nothing but you sound like an ideal woman to me. 🙂
You know, I never quite understood the fixation on the number of sex partners a woman (or man, for that matter) had. IMHO, more experience means a better lover. FWLIW, have no idea how many woman I’ve had sex with but I’d be floored if it was much more than 15. Asperger’s is not the best aphrodisiac for any gender WRT getting laid. :-
I don’t think there’s even that much introspection into it. Women’s professions and hobbies are meaningless because, obviously, a woman will abandon all those things the moment she’s married.
Now it’s hobbies too? Again, why is woodworking or restoring old cars (stuff that women do too) better than quilting or weaving (which men have been known to do as well)? I work in a nationwide craft chain and believe me, one person’s “I love doing this!” is another person’s “why would anyone want to do that?”
Ah, well. I guess anything a woman ever does (other than pleasing teh bonerz) is meaningless, so I should stop being confused.
Oooh, what a giveaway! (As they say on Monty Python)
Once again, I am convinced these people do not know any actual women.
The only Real Jobs are: firefighter, policeman, soldier, oil rig worker, professional wrestler, coal miner, computer programmer, nuclear physicist, venture capitalist, and caveman. These represent the only work that actually needs to be done in order to maintain society. Every other job only exists because of feminist government regulations and consists entirely of moving papers from one stack to another and gossiping about Sex and the City around the estrogen-laced water cooler. Any woman who does a Real Job is an affirmative action hire, can’t do the job right, and her sexiness distracts her male colleagues from doing their job effectively. Any man who doesn’t work a Real Job is either a mangina, or totally could do one and probably would if not for all the feminist discrimination against men. Hope that clarifies things. /s
Being preoccupied with who has been ‘in there’ before you is a good way to put you off sex. This guy clearly has quite an issue with the ‘ickiness’ of sex. Just perhaps he should go his own way and leave women alone, as being thought of as disgusting for ever having had sex with another man is not likely to endear women to him.
The other problem of course is the dehumanising o women these guys do. Who the hell do they think they are – shitty little wankers!
zoon – you forgot logger and deep sea fishing!