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Is Men's Rights hate site A Voice for Men melting down before our eyes?

Look what you've done! I'm melting! Melting!
Look what you’ve done! I’m melting! Melting!

Is AVFM, the hate site we all love to hate, melting down before our eyes? Consider.

1) Men Going Their Own Way are Going Their Own Way, Far Away, From Paul Elam

AVFM’s head cheese Paul Elam has long fantasized about becoming King of the MGTOWs, which would help him build up his Flying Monkey army and turn Men Going Their Own Way into Money Going Into Paul Elam’s Pockets. In doing so, he seems to have alienated virtually all of those who consider themselves MGTOWs.

That hasn’t stopped him from trying to annex MGTOWland, or reveling in the setbacks of MGTOWers who haven’t pledged their love to Paul. The AVFM/MGTOW war has even had its own “Mission Accomplished” moment: a 2013 post by Elam’s partner-in-MGTOW Peter Wright declaring that “AVfM is indisputably MGTOW-central.”

The current round in the ongoing AVFM/MGTOW slapfight started with the publication of an e-book on MGTOW by Elam and Wright that was not exactlly well-received by MGTOWers. It didn’t help that the misogynistic and astoundingly un-self-aware Elam made a video labeling his MGTOW enemies misogynistic “PigTOWs.” I mean, they are misogynistic PigTOWs, but insulting those you hope to turn into supporters isn’t exactly a great PR move.

MGTOWers are also angry that Elam has promoted a stay-at-home mother, the woman who calls herself “Janet Bloomfield” and “Judgy Bitch,” into AVFM’s main PR person. Former AVFMers John “The Other” Hembling and Diana Davison are now enthusiastically supporting the anti-Elam MGTOW army, and the online sniping between AVFM and its enemies has reached a new low, with AVFMers apparently passing around nude pictures of Davison and Elam describing Hembling, his former number two at AVFM, as

the one guy at AVFM who was one blowjob away from turning mangina when the Queen of Auschwitz showed up to swallow.

Yeah, I’m not sure why Elam is calling Davison “the Queen of Auschwitz” either — because she’s skinny? — but I don’t think it’s meant as a compliment.

Apparently, the things MGTOWers and AVFMers are saying about each other in private are even worse, though I can scarcely imagine how. As AVFM ally Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan said in a YouTube comment of her own,

There are things going on in private chats and other places outside the public eye that would make you puke.

Yikes.

2) AVFM is alienating former supporters — and may even be driving off one of the biggest celebrities of the Men’s Rights movement, the aforementioned Karen “GirlWritesWhat.”

The latest Men’s Rightser to desert AVFM? YouTuber Natasha Douglas (a.k.a. Nurdy Dee, a.k.a. Nurdy Dancing), who says she’s gotten tired of the giant “clusterfuck” that AVFM has become. While she’s not exactly a major figure in the Men’s Rights Movement, AVFM has quietly moved a rather appalling video of hers, in which she argues that calling a man a misogynist is the equivalent of calling someone the n-word, off of its featured spot on AVFM’s front page, where it had been perched for what seemed like forever.

More significantly, Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan, AVFM’s star “Honey Badger,” has been offering some rather blunt critiques of Elam et al, and suggesting that she could easily walk away from the site. GWW, a popular YouTube blabber with more than 91,000 subscribers, noted in one Youtube comment (to the video here) that she’s become “sick to death of the poo-flinging going on between AVFM and MGTOW.”

While still publicly a supporter of AVFM, she’s talking a lot like someone with one foot out the door:

I’m still on the masthead, as far as I know, but I don’t do a whole lot for AVFM, and never have. I’m not even a member of their forums. I have no editorial control. I get no money from it. I haven’t contributed an article in ages, and anything of mine on the site is essentially grabbed from my YT channel or my blog. My opinions are my own. I’m willing to bet that I could cut them loose without suffering any real loss.

Why don’t I? Because my name can help them. …

[P]lease don’t think I answer to AVFM, that I care about what AVFM thinks of me, or that AVFM tells me what to do. They don’t. They could all drop dead tomorrow and I’d keep doing what I’m doing.

3) Money troubles: AVFM’s donors seem ever more reluctant to keep sending money to a site that seems incapable of accomplish much of anything beyond providing a platform for a bunch of misogynistic malcontents to shout into the wind.

This may be the real killer. AVFM appears to be having more and more trouble raising the exorbitant amounts of money that Elam claims the site needs to operate, and his fundraising appeals are growing ever more desperate.

At the moment they’re halfway through a two-week long (!!) fund drive, and their little fundraising thermometer is indicating some pretty chilly air:

thermometer

The fact that they are even running a fund drive with such an, er, ambitious goal is a sign that AVFM’s “new approach” to financing its existence is failing miserably.

In January, after what seems to have been the site’s most difficult fundraiser yet, Elam told his readers that “we need a way to finance our move ahead without coming to you every three months and putting it all on your shoulders,” promising his long-suffering donors “a drastic decrease quarterly in fundraising goals.”

His latest quarterly fundraising goal? Exactly the same as his last one.

Apparently Elam’s other projected “revenue streams” — advertising, his “publishing house,” “e-stores,” and even web hosting services — have not even amounted to a little trickle.

I am shocked — shocked! — that AVFM’s little “publishing house” has not managed to make millions off of two collections of century-old public domain writings by anti-suffrage socialist E. Belfort Bax and a book about MGTOW that virtually everyone in that little community hates.

In his current fundraising appeal, Elam explains that he’s trying to turn AVFM into a for-profit LLC, claiming that

the expense of pulling this together was considerable, given the rates of attorneys and CPAs. And that is not even close to all of the expenses.

For our upcoming publishing house, Zeta Press, we have had to engage attorneys to develop editor’s and author’s contracts and invest in the web development and ecommerce necessary to make that a reality.

How much does it cost to prepare an author contract for a terrible e-book that will sell 8 copies?

In his January post, Elam also suggested that the site’s upcoming conference could make some sweet, sweet cash. Today, he’s singing a rather different tune, declaring that planning for the conference has been

so financially consuming that the LLC’s needs preclude me from AVFM personal income for the foreseeable future. That means I have to work at something else for personal income.

To accomplish this I will be offering online coaching services to men only for a limited amount of hours a week in order to keep food on the table.

Yes, really. I suggest that we start calling him “Coach.”

I will be including one hour per week of pro bono work for those who cannot pay.

What a generous soul! And I will match his offer: Give me $20,000 a quarter and I’ll talk to someone for an hour for free.

In any case, the future of AVFM isn’t looking too bright at the moment. Change “countdown” to “meltdown,” and “Venus” to “Uranus” in the following song and you have the perfect theme song for AVFM today.

I’m not sure why this video is labeled “the worst cover ever” of “The Final Countdown,” as it is clearly the BEST.

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palmedfire
palmedfire
9 years ago

@Spindrift – I <3 that version. And besides, Takarazuka is the ultimate misandry, being all-women and all

Anne
Anne
9 years ago

Hope you are right about AVfM and Lame Elam, David…But you really made my day 🙂

Rosemary
Rosemary
9 years ago

As always, the nastiest vitriol is reserved for a woman, in this case, Diana. Also, does this mean there’s not going to be a 2nd International Men’s Human Rights Conference this summer?

steampunked (@steampunked)

What on earth is the cash for? I’m honestly curious. The tech backbone they’re using is essentially free, there’s a lot of human capital available for free, even a lot of security measures and virus checking can be done for free.

If the average science journalist can’t get paid that much for a year’s worth of well researched articles for formal institutions, what on earth do the AVfMers get out of it?

Tina S
Tina S
9 years ago

Keep us posted. I’llkeep popcorn on the ready.

Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
Subtract Hominem, the Renegade Misandroid
9 years ago

If only the eventual end of the site meant that its contributors would no longer have a platform or an audience. Sadly, this seems unlikely.

Anyway, time for another silly “The Final Countdown” cover. Drums and vocals only!

http://youtu.be/vYIkJStzzzE

Annie Squidface
9 years ago

I’m still waiting for Elam to rip his face off and reveal that he was Andy Kaufman the whole time.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

One can only hope that this means that AVfM is giving its death rattle.

Oh, but where would we get our lulz then? Where I ask…*whispers*…Orly?

Apparently there are still MGTOWs and other anti-feminists doing silly things. Carry on then.

C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
9 years ago

I wonder if this has anything to do with GamerGate. Hear me out… Paul Elam previously tried to hitch his wagon to that shit-show, but it didn’t work. Maybe GamerGate started sucking up money that would normally have gone to Paul Elam and that’s what is causing AVfM to collapse.

If so, it could be the best thing to come out of GamerGate.

Elliot Rodger Was A Terrorist
Elliot Rodger Was A Terrorist
9 years ago

According to Alexa, female visitors to AVFM outnumber males by about four to one.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/avoiceformen.com

You know your site is doing poorly when women who go there to hate-read your articles vastly outnumber the men who the site is actually aimed at.

AllisonW
AllisonW
9 years ago

Another thing I notice in those stats: the visitors, beyond being massively female, are also, on a massive basis: either sans college education or with some college, and browsing from school.

I think young women in college are looking this site up up after hearing scary shit about AVFM’s views on campus rape. Though the top search term that takes people to AVFM, by far, is “paul elam,” whereas “sage gerard” isn’t even in the top five. So I’m not 100% sure.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Aunt Edna-“Oh, noes… Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people. Heartbreaking, I’m sure”

It sure is, I am so devastated on their behalf. NOT! XD

roguepixie
roguepixie
9 years ago

Is she Jewish? The only thing MRAs love as much as hurling around sexist slurs is hurling around antisemitic slurs. (Then again, with MRAs, whether or not she’s Jewish probably doesn’t matter.)

That, and fetishizing women of “other” cultures as “sweet” and “passive”. (Yeesh, no wonder we experience sexual assault at such stunning rates.)

Translation of manospherese: they look for women who haven’t yet obtained citizenship, then threaten to deport them if they don’t toe the line—however that’s defined by the particular spherian. Then, in classic divide and conquer form, they berate “Western” women for not being “feminine” enough.

It’s an extreme and desperate way of promoting strict binaries around gender, maintaining privilege, but… it’s there.

Backlashes to progress are always pretty extreme. Fortunately, this branch of it seems to be dying, at least in its organized form.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

I took a moment to check out AVfM’s MGTOW thread and see that Driversuz’s approach to moderating their forum mirrors JudgyB’s charming approach to Twitter interactions. Paulie’s put together one hell of an unpaid staff over there.

Josh Clark
9 years ago

We can only hope.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

Driversuz:

You are assuming that there is no such thing as a marriage that isn’t gynocentric in spite of being subject to gynocentric laws – the same sort of gynocentric laws which govern every other aspect of society.

So how can he work in an environment where he is subject to sexist employment laws that are biased against him? Are you suggesting that men in the workplace face no risks of losing their jobs, their reputations, their assets, their freedom, on the whim of a woman? What about in post secondary education, even male-dominated programs? Don’t learn a skill because feminist governance in cooperation with vindictive women, can screw you over? The standard you apply to marriage, if applied to everything else, would put quite a damper on a man’s ability to GHOW, wouldn’t it?

“Feminist governance”. Alrighty. I’d quote more gems but I’m pretty busy, what with my vindictive whims and all.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

OH NO! Paul might have to *work*! Heavens!

As opposed to wanking for dollars.

I can hear the pissy moaning already.

JocTheWriter
9 years ago

I find it rather illustrative that the women who support them later end up being eaten by their own, both male and female. No woman is the exception to misogynist tendencies. it is only a matter of time before she is no longer “not like the other girls.”

TheLurker
TheLurker
9 years ago

Did anybody else read Janet Blommfield’s (aka Judgy Bitch) Buzzfeed article? Because it’s terrible. http://www.buzzfeed.com/janetb45f4c43c5/five-stupid-clichas-about-women-that-are-mostly-1fnnk

Sandy Lee
9 years ago

Coach Elam. Now there’s a title to inspire the heart and loosen the purse strings. I’m a “man only”, so clearly I’m in his target market, but I have so many questions! How much per hour will I be charged? Will he register on an accredited freelancer platform such as oDesk? Will he accept Bitcoin?

In addition, my professional, personal, and romantic life seem to be going pretty well right now and I hold no hatred towards individuals or entire groups. How can I be convinced that his services will live up to their advertised promise, that he can show me that in fact my life is a miserable blue-pill fantasy run by evil wimminz?

I want to see some brochures. Hate-based life coaching is a competitive industry, and a buyer’s market. Coach Elam needs to bring something unique to the table to show me that his is the hate-based program for me.

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Oh! There is something that I missed while reading the article-JANET BLOOMFIELD IS A MOTHER?!?!?!?!?!?.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130124205715/glee/images/1/1d/Screaming.gif

I feel so sorry for her children.

dhag85
dhag85
9 years ago

@TheLurker

Yup, read it. The usual crap. Comment section full of bubbling hate and misery. Do these guys ever enjoy life at all?

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
9 years ago

@TheLurker:

Wow, that’s… something. It would be nice if this woman did not generalize her personal issues and project them on all women, but I know that’s too much to ask.

As I was reading her redpillian fantasies, I was surprised that she did not recommend men putting women in their proper place by the old-fashioned methods, still popular and openly advocated among her Christian RP counterparts: http://www.donotlink.com/ecf2

But scrolling down the comments, I see that this recommendation was made for her by an eager male poster who advocates slapping little girls:

“John Smith · Top Commenter
These are all true and it is because parents refuse to spank their daughters while they have no problem spanking their sons. Parents actually need to be MORE strict with girls b/c they spoi so easily. But women usually choose weak men that let them get away with whatever they want,and the cycle of gynocentricism continues. Little girls test wen they are children. Dads need to be aware of this and not hesitate to slap them when they do.Dads need to be strong and extinguish all temper tantrums. If not , you get what we have today, a society of spoiled little brats !”

And the (currently) newest comment under her post is even more precious, summing up JB’s message better than one would think possible:

“Brandon Ward · Brownwood High School
They forgot to mention that women are stupid. Pathological liars, con artists, manipulators, weak minded, are only interested in things that are “pretty” and not concerned with making a difference in the world. This article makes it abundantly clear that all women care about is douche bags with muscles and big dicks. What a fucking life. Glad I’m not a woman. Shouldn’t have let you all start voting. God I hate this country.”

JB should be proud, I suppose. I would tell Brandon, however, that this article made abundantly clear only what its author is like and cares about. Not that he’d listen.