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Sluthate’s “shitty advice” forum, devoted to discussing such high-minded topics as “Do fat women have dirtier vaginas?” and “why is rape bad,” is a haven for embittered “incels” — self-described “involuntary celibates” — who’ve convinced themselves that they are too objectively unattractive and un-alpha to attract attention from the cruel and superficial “sluts” of the world — a category that seems to include all the women they find attractive.
Back when the forum was known as PUAhate, it was a regular hangout of one especially embittered incel, a young man known as Elliot Rodger, who last year killed six in Isla Vista California, and then himself, in what he called his “Day of Retribution” against women. Many of Sluthate’s regulars, unsurprisingly, have embraced “ER” as a kind of incel martyr.
Now they’ve found a new and improved hero: Andreas Lubitz, the troubled co-pilot who, French officials say, deliberately flew Germanwings Flight 9525 into a mountain in the French Alps.
In a topic entitled BREAKING: Co-pilot was incel and crashed the plane!!!, Sluthate regulars have embraced Lubitz as “one of them” — and are enthusiastically celebrating his alleged mass murder as the possible beginning of a “Beta uprising.”
“New high score, and in a much shorter time too,” a commenter calling himself gobman3000 wrote happily. “Damn, legitimate SLAYER.”
Alienfranco was even more enthusiastic:
What a fucking SLAYER.
Did you ever know that you’re my hero? You are the wind beneath my WINGS. …
Why go out with a whimper when you can go out with a BANG? An incel killing 150+ people will make a lot more of an impact than killing 1 asshole or a few assholes.
A large percentage of the 150+ people on that plane were sluts and Chads anyway.
Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.
OmegaKV noted that many of the passengers on the plane “were teenagers who were vacationing,” concluding
This was DEFINITELY an incel motivated plane crash.
He couldn’t take it too see so many good looking and happy teenagers with gfs, experiencing the adolescence he always longed for but never got, so took advantage of the perfect opportunity to kill himself while taking the teenage normalfags with him.
PuaKiller agreed:
Yeah. He definitely knew what he was doing. I can only imagine what he was feeling in that moment. Wow. …
This one is going in the hall of fame!
Largely dismissing the news reports suggesting that Lubitz did, in fact, have a girlfriend, the regulars examined each new picture of the alleged mass murderer that appeared in the media for telltale signs of his incel status.
PJ1 was brutal in his assessment:
-looks like a manlet from his proportions. I’d honestly be surprised if he’s over 5 10
-small frame
-critical balding
-beta face
OldRooster1 agreed:
guy does look like an incel manlet that came to the realization that the status of being a pilot was not enough to overcome his 3.5/10 looks/body.
“Look at that frame, he’s about 60kg soaking wet,” Jigar added. “I’d be surprised if his wrists were a hair over 6 inches thick.”
Still another commenter labeled him a “betafaced framecel” — whatever that is — and “the kind of guy that’s INVISIBLE.”
These are harsh assessments, to be sure, and in some cases seem to have virtually no connection with the photographic evidence, but the Sluthate regulars tend to be equally harsh in their assessments of themselves. Thread-starter Zark_Muckerberg, for example, attaches a sig to each of his posts quantifying his romantic and sexual failures:
gfs: 0
kisses: 0
handjobs: 0
blowjobs: 0
intercourse: 0
Having convinced themselves that they will never be able to have a life equal to that of the world’s “good looking and happy … normalfags,” the Sluthaters feel Lubitz’ pain — or, at least, the pain they imagine he felt.
Flawed Mentat blamed the killings on an uncaring world that didn’t deliver Lubitz the “good woman” he deserved.
HE did not fire the first shot. Women and Society, blase, branded HIM as non human, invisible, an object of scorn and laughter. So, when it sunk in that all his effort was in vain, there were no good women awaiting him, life was gonna be just as empty, lonely and horrifying as before he even started training as a pilot, well, he probably logically decided to declare war back on the human race, since it was open in its war on him.
ThereIsNoGame agreed:
Just lol @ reddit comments saying how creepy it is that he didn’t think about the lives of all the people he killed.
Yeah, well what about all the people who never gave a fuck about him. He was probably treated like shit over and over again.
Society never looks itself in the mirror when it is to blame.
Don’t treat people like shit and shit wont happen. Why is that so hard to understand?
He ended his comment with this chilling warning-cum-threat.
looks like more people will need to die until the message is drilled in.
Zygominati directed his ire at a familiar target:
I blame feminism for this. In days gone by pilots would flirt with stewardesses and pinch their arses. They would leave their hotel room ajar for layover shenanigans. Now they are bus drivers in the sky that can’t even take a shit. This incel was probably sold a dream and after countless hours of flight time realised there is nothing there.
Meanwhile, the few Sluthaters who didn’t utterly dismiss the news reports of Lubitz having a girlfriend seized on the reports that the two had broken up — and blamed the girlfriend for “cucking” him. As Patriarch put it,
If its true that his girlfriend cucked or dumped him, just imagine how smug this entitled shitcunt must feel like right now. Looking at him, she was a 4 at best but now she gets her own little fairytale drama story and she gets to go on TV and talk about how awful she feels and how she never expected this to happen. In the aftermath, a bunch of whiteknights will whiteknight her into oblivion and probably donate a million € to her fundme so she can learn to deal with this tragedy…. Fucking feminist shitcunt society
It goes without saying that all of these embittered rants are based almost entirely on projection. We know very little about Lubitz, or what might have motivated him to (allegedly) crash the plane, killing 149 innocent human beings and himself.
While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.
While it seems clear that Lubitz was not literally an “incel” — he apparently did have a girlfriend — it’s certainly possible that he crashed the plane because he was upset over a breakup with that girlfriend, or angry at women in general.
That’s not a conclusion we can draw based on looking at Lubitz’s “waist-hip-ratio” or the size of his wrists. It’s a possibility we can raise based on our understanding of how murder/suicides unfold in the real world.
As I pointed out yesterday, murder/suicide is overwhelmingly a male crime, and the victims are often wives, girlfriends or exes. Breakups often trigger rage in men, and a few take this rage out on the women they feel have wronged them. Or, in extreme cases, on women in general. The intended targets of Elliot Rodger’s rampage were what the “spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut[s]” in a local sorority. (Luckily, he was barred at the door and his plan collapsed.)
But even if Lubitz was driven by “incel rage” or something much like it, it’s worth pointing out that this rage is based on bullshit. Elliot Rodger was not objectively unattractive; his problems with women came from within, from a mixture of embittered entitlement, self-hatred and an assortment of other psychological demons.
Similarly, the rage of Sluthate’s incels is driven not by the actual behavior of women in the real world but by their fucked-up ideas about women — and themselves. Sluthaters hate themselves as much as they hate “sluts,” and project their own hyper-critical assessments of their own looks onto the women they think are perpetually judging them and finding them wanting. Ironically, they themselves view women with the same hyper-critical eyes, dismissing all but a handful of young, conventionally attractive women as “fugly hambeasts” and the like.
Sluthate reinforces a poisonous and supremely self-defeating way of looking at the world. Whether or not Lubitz was driven by “incel rage,” I think we have every reason to worry that Sluthate and other internet forums devoted to “incels” may be breeding more “heroes” like Elliot Rodger and, possibly, Andreas Lubitz.
P.S. What GrumpyOldMangina said.
Unrelatedly, it turns out that Tucker Carlson’s brother is as much of a misogynistic dumbass as Tucker is.
[TF2 Heavy] Not big surprise. [/TF2 Heavy]
Though I have to give him school playground creativity points for “Labia face” (what?).
I was on FSTDT just now and to the surprise of no-one here who doesn’t already know, Poxy’s got in on this as well.
@Jarnsaxa
I would give my right foot for real life to be like that. There’s been several times where I worked up the courage to ask for reassurance (not specifically mentioning depression though, just “a difficult time”) only to be told “Can’t you do it yourself…?” or along those lines. Or they’ve looked at me like I’m weird.
He’s most likely not even incel and they’re still cheering him as their own? What the fuck? And his rampage isn’t even solely against women (unlike Elliot Rodger’s would have been if it had gone to plan). Fuck, there isn’t even any evidence that it was about women. These clowns really do just glorify any kind of male violence because it makes appeals to their own pathetic masturbatory revenge fantasies.
Also, what the hell is it with the recent wave of commenters “politely asking” what’s wrong with Sluthate?
@suffra
I think they’re just low intensity sealions JAQing off.
Not that it makes any difference at all, but just for the sake of completeness…
Lubitz may have been “60kg soaking wet” because he was a fairly successful amateur distance runner (à la the photo above). According to the just about every French newspaper I’ve read (I live in France and the French press are all over this) he either won or placed in many smaller-local events over the years and was a member of his local athletics club. He’d run a bunch of half-marathons. His girlfriend (ex or otherwise) was also a runner. He apparently finished the Frankfurt half-marathon in 2010 in 1h48 which, while never going to win him a spot in the German Olympic team, ain’t slow either.
The dude was not only clearly not “incel”, but he was also the sporty type, an additional data point that really, really, reaaaaaaaaaalllllllly doesn’t fit into the narrative that these self-declared incels are spinning. After all, don’t jocks get all the girls?
As I said, this makes no difference to the over arching story. We don’t know what caused Lubitz to kill himself and 150 innocent people. There’s a high probability we may never know. But, should we ever know exactly what was going through his mind, I’m confident that forcing women to give up their sexual agency is not a solution to stopping tragedies like this in the future.
@M.: I don’t know about that. I totally agree that gender roles and shallowness suck in general and feminists would be the best allies for people who actually cared about men and wanted to do away with toxic masculinity. But “incels” only hate shallowness and rigid gender roles that affect men, specifically, only those gender roles and cultural expectations that hurt their chances of getting laid. They’re a-ok with upholding harsh cultural expectations of female beauty and behavior as well as double standards that benefit them, like the idea that it’s okay for men to be dominant or violent, or that men are entitled to sex, or that men can cheat on their girlfriends because it’s alpha and women who have sex with anyone other than the alpha are sluts…the list goes on and on.
If Andreas Lubitz was found tomorrow to have had an active sex life, they’d use him as an example of how women love handsome, violent, abusive alphas and are too stupid and shallow to like “gentlemen” like them, even though they were cheering on his violence just now.
About the height thing: okay, most straight women I know have stated they prefer tall men, but it’s ludicrous to compare the “stigma” against short men with the incredibly unrealistic standards for women’s body size. I’ve used this example before, but Tom Cruise is 5′ 7” and no one asks him how it feels to be a sex symbol despite being a short man. Christina Hendricks, meanwhile, gets asked *all the time* about her curvy body and how it’s *so* different from skinny Hollywood norms! Hell, there’s a popular false urban legend about Marilyn Monroe having been a size 14, even though she had a 22-inch waist (in fairness, her dress size was inflated a little because her hips and bust were wide, but 22 inches was model proportions even in the ’50s). How often do people talk about James Dean having been 5′ 8”?
* I meant “anyone other than the incel.”
I think people are slightly missing the point by saying, “Oh, they don’t recognize that their personalities are repellent and that they need to actually approach women to have any success with them,” because a lot of incels DO come to that conclusion, and that’s how we end up with pick-up artists.
Unattractiveness exists, and it DOES suck, and it’s clearly worse than the alternative in a lot of ways. But I’m continually gobsmacked that any man can recognize this and not become a feminist, because of how blatantly and overwhemlingly it’s worse for women. The fact that people go in the exact opposite direction is just utterly mystifying to me.
So…what is a Chad?
I want to nth all of these comments.
Regarding rejection, years ago during my club dancing days (Reagan’s first term, IIRC), a friend commented to me about how I would prowl the club, asking many many cute boys to dance. “What?” I replied. “How else does one do it? I should stand against the wall, hoping one of THEM asks ME? Foolishness.” He joking described it as ‘predatory behavior’. Sure, I got rejected nine times out of ten, but that tenth time made up for it. And I’m three inches shorter than 5’10”. Faint heart never yet won fair booty.
Is it really that much harder to be a straight guy? I had no idea.
Judging from the context, I think it’s a dude who is not incel, who is happy with himself or his life, and obviously they resent him for it.
That made me giggle. Good on you.
Puahater/sluthater here to shake up this echo chamber. Look David, as an obese unattractive guy, why do you devote your life’s work to being a white knight for women who only want to fuck Chads and cuckold beta male boyfriends and hubbies? Join the dark side. I invite every beta male on this blog to join the dark side and fight for men’s rights together.
You want to know why I joined the dark side? Society has treated me like shit all my life because I’m an autistic manlet. Society made me who I am. And one day I woke up and decided that I was going to stop being subservient to a society that enslaves us and treats us like yesterday’s garbage. I decided to go my own way. I don’t owe society shit. We’re going to red pill as many men and female allies (like MRA Karen Straughan) as we possibly can. Every single one of you white knight beta cucks will be red pilled and see the truth. You’ll stop being white knights. You’ll stop being cucks. You’ll be disciplines and acolytes of the Red Pill church.
And together we will put our bodies upon the gears, the levers, upon all the apparatus until we make it all stop. Until western civilization collapses. If we all go our own way and drop out of society, society will crash. Society can’t function without beta males. If it wasn’t for beta male engineers, there would be no Tinder for sluts to hook up with Chads. You beta males. You are the difference in the world. Stop being cucks. And join us.
Society has done nothing for you David. You’re obese and ugly. No girl wants to fuck you unless she wants to use you for beta bux. You owe nothing to society. Join the dark side.
Why should we be nice to girls and pretend to take an interest in their lives when these bitches fuck Chad without a condom on the first date without any effort? Why should we buy bitches dinner and drinks. Wine and dine them and jump hoops in order to get laid when Chad gets it instantly and for free? Beta males need to boycott dating and boycott society.
BETA MALES OF THE WORLD UNITE
@ Robert
Is it really that much harder to be a straight guy? I had no idea.
Well, unless you want school disco syndrome (girls down one wall, boys down the other) you do have to make a bit of an effort. Perhaps not quite like this though…
Here’s a bad argument, which I found linked from an old WHTM post on the MRM’s response to feminist’s response to Elliot Rodger:
Yeah, those are not the only two options. Misogyny, by being everywhere, can give disturbed individuals license to act on their disturbed impulses. Sure, it’s possible that Elliot Rodger may have found a different hate group to be into had he not had PUAHate (now Sluthate) to latch onto, but this is the one he found and this is the one that encouraged him.
In that old WHTM post, the larger parts of the MRM were distancing themselves from Rodger, claiming that he would have latched on to any hate group. In other words, their defense of themselves is that they are a hate group. And as with any hate group, we can now see that it works both ways: Not only do violent individuals latch on to them and start believing what they do, but the hate group itself reaches out to violent individuals and claims responsibility for their actions, whether there’s evidence of a connection or not.
It’s still not clear what Lubitz’s motivations were. For that matter, it’s not entirely clear what Rodger’s motivations were–at its deepest level, the mind of a mass murderer is too inscrutable for a healthy person to understand. But what is 100% clear is that the intend of these forum posts encouraging mass murder is to encourage mass murder.
As awful as any of this is to interact with, the only way to help is if these dank cesspits get a little sunlight in posts like these.
Also: I think my brain can’t process the word “sluthate”. I keep reading it as “sleuth-ate”, like they’re a group of amateur detectives. Does that happen to anyone else?
Look. Make whatever excuses you like and want, but Sluthaters are TOTALLY superficial. They are the hyper-extreme worst examples of the very thing they claim to decry about society. They hate their own looks; they hate each other’s; they hate those of the successful and the unsuccessful-in-love alike. They waste a helluva lot of time picking apart every detail of every person’s looks that they can think of. What is the common denominator here? No, not a lying society, hypocritically pretending that looks aren’t everything. It’s THEM.
And if the rest of what you said is true, then it would hold true that no plain or ugly dude would ever get lucky, or successful, in any walk of life. But there are plenty of them. Bill Gates never won any beauty prizes, but he’s a billionaire. And happily married. Hollywood, too, is full of short, squat, bald, unpretty guys who somehow still managed to succeed at acting and at finding their real-life leading ladies.
No, Sluthaters don’t “hate dishonesty”. They hate HUMANITY. They are the wretchedest living examples of self-fulfilling prophecy. And the only reason I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them is because their own attitudes make it plain why they deserve to remain forever alone. You can’t love a guy who’s made hatred his full-time obsession. Hate doesn’t attract love. Only love can do that.
@puahater – Judging by the thoughts put forth in your teal deer, you haven’t had success with women because you exude negativity.
Outside of your echo chamber, people of wildly varying levels of standard attractiveness find love…
…though it may be more of an uphill slog for those who drip hate for everything about their preferred sexual partners except for their genetalia.
To put it bluntly (and in your awful terms), a balding autist manlet with cystic acne can score if he has charm and a personality.
If you’re repelling everyone you’re trying attract, it’s time for some self examination rather than projection :-/
QFT
Hello puahater, nice to see you and know that you can describe the red pill position without sounding hysterically creepy and cultish whatsoever.
Also, who’s Chad?
Aaaaand Aunt Edna wins the thread. Let me know where you want the box of kittens, ma’am.
@puahater – off you go and bring down Western Civilisation then because there really are that many of you and you aren’t just a tiny little group of embittered misogynists with nothing better to do than sit on the internet and whine about how that bitch Becky Sue didn’t go to prom with you like you wanted.
http://makeameme.org/media/created/HansAre-we-the.jpg
Also, it’s probably not a good idea to insult the people you’re trying to recruit.