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Sluthate’s “shitty advice” forum, devoted to discussing such high-minded topics as “Do fat women have dirtier vaginas?” and “why is rape bad,” is a haven for embittered “incels” — self-described “involuntary celibates” — who’ve convinced themselves that they are too objectively unattractive and un-alpha to attract attention from the cruel and superficial “sluts” of the world — a category that seems to include all the women they find attractive.
Back when the forum was known as PUAhate, it was a regular hangout of one especially embittered incel, a young man known as Elliot Rodger, who last year killed six in Isla Vista California, and then himself, in what he called his “Day of Retribution” against women. Many of Sluthate’s regulars, unsurprisingly, have embraced “ER” as a kind of incel martyr.
Now they’ve found a new and improved hero: Andreas Lubitz, the troubled co-pilot who, French officials say, deliberately flew Germanwings Flight 9525 into a mountain in the French Alps.
In a topic entitled BREAKING: Co-pilot was incel and crashed the plane!!!, Sluthate regulars have embraced Lubitz as “one of them” — and are enthusiastically celebrating his alleged mass murder as the possible beginning of a “Beta uprising.”
“New high score, and in a much shorter time too,” a commenter calling himself gobman3000 wrote happily. “Damn, legitimate SLAYER.”
Alienfranco was even more enthusiastic:
What a fucking SLAYER.
Did you ever know that you’re my hero? You are the wind beneath my WINGS. …
Why go out with a whimper when you can go out with a BANG? An incel killing 150+ people will make a lot more of an impact than killing 1 asshole or a few assholes.
A large percentage of the 150+ people on that plane were sluts and Chads anyway.
Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.
OmegaKV noted that many of the passengers on the plane “were teenagers who were vacationing,” concluding
This was DEFINITELY an incel motivated plane crash.
He couldn’t take it too see so many good looking and happy teenagers with gfs, experiencing the adolescence he always longed for but never got, so took advantage of the perfect opportunity to kill himself while taking the teenage normalfags with him.
PuaKiller agreed:
Yeah. He definitely knew what he was doing. I can only imagine what he was feeling in that moment. Wow. …
This one is going in the hall of fame!
Largely dismissing the news reports suggesting that Lubitz did, in fact, have a girlfriend, the regulars examined each new picture of the alleged mass murderer that appeared in the media for telltale signs of his incel status.
PJ1 was brutal in his assessment:
-looks like a manlet from his proportions. I’d honestly be surprised if he’s over 5 10
-small frame
-critical balding
-beta face
OldRooster1 agreed:
guy does look like an incel manlet that came to the realization that the status of being a pilot was not enough to overcome his 3.5/10 looks/body.
“Look at that frame, he’s about 60kg soaking wet,” Jigar added. “I’d be surprised if his wrists were a hair over 6 inches thick.”
Still another commenter labeled him a “betafaced framecel” — whatever that is — and “the kind of guy that’s INVISIBLE.”
These are harsh assessments, to be sure, and in some cases seem to have virtually no connection with the photographic evidence, but the Sluthate regulars tend to be equally harsh in their assessments of themselves. Thread-starter Zark_Muckerberg, for example, attaches a sig to each of his posts quantifying his romantic and sexual failures:
gfs: 0
kisses: 0
handjobs: 0
blowjobs: 0
intercourse: 0
Having convinced themselves that they will never be able to have a life equal to that of the world’s “good looking and happy … normalfags,” the Sluthaters feel Lubitz’ pain — or, at least, the pain they imagine he felt.
Flawed Mentat blamed the killings on an uncaring world that didn’t deliver Lubitz the “good woman” he deserved.
HE did not fire the first shot. Women and Society, blase, branded HIM as non human, invisible, an object of scorn and laughter. So, when it sunk in that all his effort was in vain, there were no good women awaiting him, life was gonna be just as empty, lonely and horrifying as before he even started training as a pilot, well, he probably logically decided to declare war back on the human race, since it was open in its war on him.
ThereIsNoGame agreed:
Just lol @ reddit comments saying how creepy it is that he didn’t think about the lives of all the people he killed.
Yeah, well what about all the people who never gave a fuck about him. He was probably treated like shit over and over again.
Society never looks itself in the mirror when it is to blame.
Don’t treat people like shit and shit wont happen. Why is that so hard to understand?
He ended his comment with this chilling warning-cum-threat.
looks like more people will need to die until the message is drilled in.
Zygominati directed his ire at a familiar target:
I blame feminism for this. In days gone by pilots would flirt with stewardesses and pinch their arses. They would leave their hotel room ajar for layover shenanigans. Now they are bus drivers in the sky that can’t even take a shit. This incel was probably sold a dream and after countless hours of flight time realised there is nothing there.
Meanwhile, the few Sluthaters who didn’t utterly dismiss the news reports of Lubitz having a girlfriend seized on the reports that the two had broken up — and blamed the girlfriend for “cucking” him. As Patriarch put it,
If its true that his girlfriend cucked or dumped him, just imagine how smug this entitled shitcunt must feel like right now. Looking at him, she was a 4 at best but now she gets her own little fairytale drama story and she gets to go on TV and talk about how awful she feels and how she never expected this to happen. In the aftermath, a bunch of whiteknights will whiteknight her into oblivion and probably donate a million € to her fundme so she can learn to deal with this tragedy…. Fucking feminist shitcunt society
It goes without saying that all of these embittered rants are based almost entirely on projection. We know very little about Lubitz, or what might have motivated him to (allegedly) crash the plane, killing 149 innocent human beings and himself.
While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.
While it seems clear that Lubitz was not literally an “incel” — he apparently did have a girlfriend — it’s certainly possible that he crashed the plane because he was upset over a breakup with that girlfriend, or angry at women in general.
That’s not a conclusion we can draw based on looking at Lubitz’s “waist-hip-ratio” or the size of his wrists. It’s a possibility we can raise based on our understanding of how murder/suicides unfold in the real world.
As I pointed out yesterday, murder/suicide is overwhelmingly a male crime, and the victims are often wives, girlfriends or exes. Breakups often trigger rage in men, and a few take this rage out on the women they feel have wronged them. Or, in extreme cases, on women in general. The intended targets of Elliot Rodger’s rampage were what the “spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut[s]” in a local sorority. (Luckily, he was barred at the door and his plan collapsed.)
But even if Lubitz was driven by “incel rage” or something much like it, it’s worth pointing out that this rage is based on bullshit. Elliot Rodger was not objectively unattractive; his problems with women came from within, from a mixture of embittered entitlement, self-hatred and an assortment of other psychological demons.
Similarly, the rage of Sluthate’s incels is driven not by the actual behavior of women in the real world but by their fucked-up ideas about women — and themselves. Sluthaters hate themselves as much as they hate “sluts,” and project their own hyper-critical assessments of their own looks onto the women they think are perpetually judging them and finding them wanting. Ironically, they themselves view women with the same hyper-critical eyes, dismissing all but a handful of young, conventionally attractive women as “fugly hambeasts” and the like.
Sluthate reinforces a poisonous and supremely self-defeating way of looking at the world. Whether or not Lubitz was driven by “incel rage,” I think we have every reason to worry that Sluthate and other internet forums devoted to “incels” may be breeding more “heroes” like Elliot Rodger and, possibly, Andreas Lubitz.
“Considering how relatively few they are. They better HOPE it never comes to a point where society starts truly fearing them. Because that will not end well… for them. ”
Exactly. Do these people not realise how things work in the real world?
Presuming that:
A) We recognsed involuntary celibacy as “a thing”,
and,
B) Decided that they posed a grave threat,
Society isn’t likely to just give them girls, is it? Societies tend to do nasty things to individuals that they see as threats.
@Linax5 That’s terrible. My condolences.
Wow, that’s some heavy-duty delusion going on there.
Scared people are dangerous.
Malleable as well, true, but irrationally violent and deadly to their target.
@Linax – I am truly sorry to hear of your friend.
For a while now I’ve been considering options for a dissertation for a “Terrorism Studies” M.Litt.
I’m seriously thinking the MRA/Incel scene may be a potential subject.
Oh and Linax5
If the words of a random stranger on the internet can ever mean anything, I really feel for you.
“Autist” (*winces* I HATE THAT WORD) comes from 4Chan too. They made it up so that they don’t have to refer to autistic people as, y’know, people. It’s basically the autism equivalent of the r-word.
Also, what metric are they using to judge appearances?
Not that it really matters – people have all kinds of tastes and attractions, one person’s trash is another’s treasure, etc – but Lubitz looks disturbingly like a guy that I had a huge crush on as a teenager.
Is anyone who’s not AlphaDudeBroHandsome or an HB10 just irremdeemable trash to them?
‘Cause…well…that may go a ways towards explaining their general lack of success in the dating pool.
It’s feminism’s fault this happened because pilots aren’t allowed to sexually harass flight attendants anymore? Whaaaa!?
Because there was no such thing as murder suicide before whatever year it was they decided feminism took over? Really?
Also, how is 5’10 a “manlet?” Isn’t that about average height for a man?
If any of these guys are actually on the autism spectrum and not just appropriating it, how could they possibly think it would be good for them to be feared? I wouldn’t want my brother forcibly institutionalized, discriminated against or brutalized or killed by police because he’s stereotyped wrongly as someone who would commit mass murder. Ugh. These assholes should ask the families of Eric Garner or Tamir Rice how much of an advantage it is to be in a group that’s stereotyped as dangerous and scary.*
* I only mean that rhetorically. I would not actually want them to be subjected to a conversation with Sluthate posters.
This community… I mean, beneath all the horror, I just can never wrap my head around the whole idea of this community.
They believe they’re unattractive. They also believe that being unattractive leads people to not want to date them or have sex with them.
So… Why on earth do these guys get mad at women for just doing what MAKES SENSE? If the problem is their own unattractiveness, why does it ever occur to them to blame anyone else?
The fact that they’re so eager for retributive violence that they’d project their pathology onto someone who pretty clear wasn’t “one of them” is extremely disturbing. Their ideology is the memetic equivalent of cancer.
I’d like to know why these chucklefucks are so eager to claim MASS MURDERERS as the heroes of their cause. If they’re going to lay claim to dead people who have no evidence whatsoever of being incel, why wouldn’t they pick out someone who, I don’t know, died running into a burning building to save people or something? “Society saw this guy as someone ugly, someone undesirable and subhuman, but he showed them all by selflessly saving other people and showing us that true masculinity is on the inside, not indicated by rippling muscles and chicks on either arm.”
That would be grossly appropriative and dragging a hero down by association with these assholes, but at least they wouldn’t be lionizing and encouraging people to murder other people in some kind of sick revenge/threat. Haven’t they ever heard that the best revenge is living well?
rejections: 0
They can’t blow you if you’re too terrified to ask them out.
I’m feeling afraid for a young online friend who started using incel language, about how unpopular men are the lowest life forms and how dare feminists judge him as a sexist shut-in for seeking the fantasy of 2D-women where 3D-women are unattainable. (The latter was in response to feminist critiques of his favored medium, anime. And yeah, I did a double take when I saw the term 2D and 3D women, since I recognized that term from this blog.) I tried to tell him that he doesn’t have to buy into conventional ideas about masculinity which are unhelpful and bogus, and then he got all shouty about how dare I call him evil (??) so… I don’t know. It’s not like I’m obligated or even likely to “save” this guy, but I’ve known him for a long time and it hurts to have him attribute all this false evil to feminists knowing full well I’m a feminist, and then silencing me with anger or threats (he threatened to kill himself a couple of times when I criticized him) when I argue back. Maybe I should cut ties after all, or tell him this is not something I’m comfortable discussing with him.
Is it just me, or are THEY the ones looking at pictures of Lubitz and deeming him too ugly/wimpy to have a girlfriend? They project their own narrow-mindedness onto women and then despise women for it.
I daresay these incels are nothing so attractive as the late Mr. Lubitz, an athletic specimen with a rather typical mid-German face, right down to the dint in his chin. Why someone under 5′ 10″ would be deemed a “manlet” is beyond me. Furthermore, he had been with the same girl friend for seven years. Whatever the cause of his actions, he was not striking a blow for *them*.
@PussyPowerTantrum
I’ve expressed my doubts previously as to the sincerity of MRA/incels. However I do believe that that there is a pool of naive and vulnerable young men that they will seek to radicalise, who do, or will, end up believing it.
I don’t think they do it to further their ’cause’. i believe their cause is causing upset for its own sake. But, in the same way they goaded Elliot, I think they may have a tendency to wind people up and set them loose and sit back and enjoy the mayhem.
Not saying you owe anything to this chap, but maybe ask him to at least consider that he’s being exploited by them?
{quote]Do they actually believe/want what they say? Or is it just getting kicks from being ‘outrageous’ and maybe upsetting some people?[/quote]
Well I think there are some MRA types that are mostly just looking for attention, but these guys I think are completely serious. They’re mostly just yelling at each other in their little echo chamber, not going places where theyll be noticed and most of what they say about women isn’t any different from what other hate groups say about Jews, Black people, gays etc/
[quote]While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.[/quote]
Okay I have a question about that one. I’m not sure if I’m being ableist, if I am I apologize in advance, but isn’t that bundling up all mental illnesses together? Aren’t there some specific mental disorders that make someone do violent things even if the vast majority do not? (There have after all been people like John Hinckley and Vincent Li)
WHY ISNT THIS ABSOLUTE HELL HOLE BANNED?
Skybison: There are mental disorders which are pretty much defined by being dangerous to other people: things like antisocial personality disorder and psycopathy. But unless I’m wrong, your examples are people who most closely have schizophrenia, and that statistic David referenced absolutely holds true for that.
This is sort of a perverse inversion of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy or even the #NotAllMen variant. Rather than inventing ever more exclusionary criteria to eliminate a bad actor, they relax their standards to include evil men. Soon enough they will have classified every man except Brad Pitt as an incel.
I was dreading this escalating when I read in the Guardian profile:
Thankfully it apparently isn’t a MGTOW site.
Alan: I like your choice of a subject. My guess is that the demographic overlaps with sovereign citizens, oathkeepers, open-carriers, and white supremacists, as well.
@Catalpa
Probably because they see a guy doing exactly what they all fantasize about doing, so they assume he was motivated by the exact same reasons. It does make them look kind of…bad, though. And un-self-aware.
“All those bitches deserve to die in a hail of gunfire! (small, unreflective pause) Why won’t anyone date me?”
@Fnoicby
It’s not like women (as a gender) have a suggestion box where we constantly solicit “How can we serve you better?” comments from men (as a gender). We don’t have monthly customer service meetings to assess the performance of Women Inc. and brainstorm ways to make men happier. No one is presenting alarming rage figures and going “Dammit! We’re simply not distributing enough blowjobs! We’ve got to step up our presence in the male vertical!”
Individuals decide who they’re attracted to, and from there, what aspects of themselves they want to emphasize in order to attract/please the kind of person they want. That’s it. There’s no mass conspiracy among women to deny sexual gratification to men. We’re just not that organized.
I need a shower after reading some of those comments.
These people exist.
These are real people who believe these things sincerely.
It’s almost enough to make me just stick to dating women forever. Thank heavens for the few decent people out there that make me aware that these men are a loud, disgusting minority.
@Buttercup
The idea that their greatest fantasy, the concept that resonates most strongly with them, is one of killing people and causing mass terror and suffering is a fucking bone chilling one. Made worse that that seems like a highly plausible explanation for these dude’s actions.
I kind of wonder how many of these morons spew Islamophobic crap about extremist terrorists out one side of their mouths then spew this crap out the other despite extremism and this being the exact same mindset.