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Internet incels celebrate Andreas Lubitz, the alleged killer co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525, as a "legitimate SLAYER" and an "incel hero"

The New Incel Hero: Neither an incel nor a hero
The New Incel Hero: Neither an incel nor a hero

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Sluthate’s “shitty advice” forum, devoted to discussing such high-minded topics as “Do fat women have dirtier vaginas?” and “why is rape bad,” is a haven for embittered “incels” — self-described “involuntary celibates” — who’ve convinced themselves that they are too objectively unattractive and un-alpha to attract attention from the cruel and superficial “sluts” of the world — a category that seems to include all the women they find attractive.

Back when the forum was known as PUAhate, it was a regular hangout of one especially embittered incel, a young man known as Elliot Rodger, who last year killed six in Isla Vista California, and then himself, in what he called his “Day of Retribution” against women. Many of Sluthate’s regulars, unsurprisingly, have embraced “ER” as a kind of incel martyr.

Now they’ve found a new and improved hero: Andreas Lubitz, the troubled co-pilot who, French officials say, deliberately flew Germanwings Flight 9525 into a mountain in the French Alps.

In a topic entitled BREAKING: Co-pilot was incel and crashed the plane!!!, Sluthate regulars have embraced Lubitz as “one of them” — and are enthusiastically celebrating his alleged mass murder as the possible beginning of a “Beta uprising.”

“New high score, and in a much shorter time too,” a commenter calling himself gobman3000 wrote happily. “Damn, legitimate SLAYER.”

Alienfranco was even more enthusiastic:

What a fucking SLAYER.

Did you ever know that you’re my hero? You are the wind beneath my WINGS. …

Why go out with a whimper when you can go out with a BANG? An incel killing 150+ people will make a lot more of an impact than killing 1 asshole or a few assholes.

A large percentage of the 150+ people on that plane were sluts and Chads anyway.

Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.

OmegaKV noted that many of the passengers on the plane “were teenagers who were vacationing,” concluding

This was DEFINITELY an incel motivated plane crash.

He couldn’t take it too see so many good looking and happy teenagers with gfs, experiencing the adolescence he always longed for but never got, so took advantage of the perfect opportunity to kill himself while taking the teenage normalfags with him.

PuaKiller agreed:

Yeah. He definitely knew what he was doing. I can only imagine what he was feeling in that moment. Wow. …

This one is going in the hall of fame!

Largely dismissing the news reports suggesting that Lubitz did, in fact, have a girlfriend, the regulars examined each new picture of the alleged mass murderer that appeared in the media for telltale signs of his incel status.

PJ1 was brutal in his assessment:

-looks like a manlet from his proportions. I’d honestly be surprised if he’s over 5 10

-small frame

-critical balding

-beta face

OldRooster1 agreed:

guy does look like an incel manlet that came to the realization that the status of being a pilot was not enough to overcome his 3.5/10 looks/body.

“Look at that frame, he’s about 60kg soaking wet,” Jigar added. “I’d be surprised if his wrists were a hair over 6 inches thick.”

Still another commenter labeled him a “betafaced framecel” — whatever that is — and “the kind of guy that’s INVISIBLE.”

These are harsh assessments, to be sure, and in some cases seem to have virtually no connection with the photographic evidence, but the Sluthate regulars tend to be equally harsh in their assessments of themselves. Thread-starter Zark_Muckerberg, for example, attaches a sig to each of his posts quantifying his romantic and sexual failures:

gfs: 0
kisses: 0
handjobs: 0
blowjobs: 0
intercourse: 0

Having convinced themselves that they will never be able to have a life equal to that of the world’s “good looking and happy … normalfags,” the Sluthaters feel Lubitz’ pain — or, at least, the pain they imagine he felt.

Flawed Mentat blamed the killings on an uncaring world that didn’t deliver Lubitz  the “good woman” he deserved.

HE did not fire the first shot. Women and Society, blase, branded HIM as non human, invisible, an object of scorn and laughter. So, when it sunk in that all his effort was in vain, there were no good women awaiting him, life was gonna be just as empty, lonely and horrifying as before he even started training as a pilot, well, he probably logically decided to declare war back on the human race, since it was open in its war on him.

ThereIsNoGame agreed:

Just lol @ reddit comments saying how creepy it is that he didn’t think about the lives of all the people he killed.

Yeah, well what about all the people who never gave a fuck about him. He was probably treated like shit over and over again.

Society never looks itself in the mirror when it is to blame.

Don’t treat people like shit and shit wont happen. Why is that so hard to understand? 

He ended his comment with this chilling warning-cum-threat.

looks like more people will need to die until the message is drilled in.

Zygominati directed his ire at a familiar target:

I blame feminism for this. In days gone by pilots would flirt with stewardesses and pinch their arses. They would leave their hotel room ajar for layover shenanigans. Now they are bus drivers in the sky that can’t even take a shit. This incel was probably sold a dream and after countless hours of flight time realised there is nothing there.

Meanwhile, the few Sluthaters who didn’t utterly dismiss the news reports of Lubitz having a girlfriend seized on the reports that the two had broken up — and blamed the girlfriend for “cucking” him. As Patriarch put it,

If its true that his girlfriend cucked or dumped him, just imagine how smug this entitled shitcunt must feel like right now. Looking at him, she was a 4 at best but now she gets her own little fairytale drama story and she gets to go on TV and talk about how awful she feels and how she never expected this to happen. In the aftermath, a bunch of whiteknights will whiteknight her into oblivion and probably donate a million € to her fundme so she can learn to deal with this tragedy…. Fucking feminist shitcunt society

It goes without saying that all of these embittered rants are based almost entirely on projection. We know very little about Lubitz, or what might have motivated him to (allegedly) crash the plane, killing 149 innocent human beings and himself.

While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.

While it seems clear that Lubitz was not literally an “incel” — he apparently did have a girlfriend —  it’s certainly possible that he crashed the plane because he was upset over a breakup with that girlfriend, or angry at women in general.

That’s not a conclusion we can draw based on looking at Lubitz’s “waist-hip-ratio” or the size of his wrists. It’s a possibility we can raise based on our understanding of how murder/suicides unfold in the real world.

As I pointed out yesterday, murder/suicide is overwhelmingly a male crime, and the victims are often wives, girlfriends or exes. Breakups often trigger rage in men, and a few take this rage out on the women they feel have wronged them. Or, in extreme cases, on women in general. The intended targets of Elliot Rodger’s rampage were what the “spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut[s]” in a local sorority. (Luckily, he was barred at the door and his plan collapsed.)

But even if Lubitz was driven by “incel rage” or something much like it, it’s worth pointing out that this rage is  based on bullshit. Elliot Rodger was not objectively unattractive; his problems with women came from within, from a mixture of embittered entitlement, self-hatred and an assortment of other psychological demons.

Similarly, the rage of Sluthate’s incels is driven not by the actual behavior of women in the real world but by their fucked-up ideas about women — and themselves. Sluthaters hate themselves as much as they hate “sluts,” and project their own hyper-critical assessments of their own looks onto the women they think are perpetually judging them and finding them wanting. Ironically, they themselves view women with the same hyper-critical eyes, dismissing all but a handful of young, conventionally attractive women as “fugly hambeasts” and the like.

Sluthate reinforces a poisonous and supremely self-defeating way of looking at the world. Whether or not Lubitz was driven by “incel rage,” I think we have every reason to worry that Sluthate and other internet forums devoted to “incels” may be breeding more “heroes” like Elliot Rodger and, possibly, Andreas Lubitz.

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sparky
sparky
5 years ago

WTF?

Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.

Just, WTF? “Give us money and pay for our prostitutes or we’ll kill you all?” Really?

Machine Gun Sally
Machine Gun Sally
5 years ago

“Autists”?!?!? No. No no no no no. You are not allowed to lump anyone with autism in with this kind of violence and hatred. No way.

There is way too much awful here to digest in one sitting.

Leum
Leum
5 years ago

I’d be surprised if his wrists were a hair over 6 inches thick.

I know that the sort of mindset that people like this have leads to weird ideas about body image, but if this isn’t a typo (6 cm rather than 6 in), this is an incredibly weird idea about ideal wrist size.

Jackie
Jackie
5 years ago

I…what does autism have to do with this at all? The fuck?

opium4themasses
5 years ago

Didn’t they change their site name to avoid being associated with a murderer? Why would they ….?

Fuck it. I know why but I don’t want to know.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@Leum, maybe they mean circumference? They must.

It’s so absurd how they think an act like Eliot Rodgers’ causes society to wring their hands and search their souls on how they can appease the “incel” community. That didn’t happen, anywhere.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.”

I have the same question about ‘incels’ as I do about MRAs.

Do they actually believe/want what they say? Or is it just getting kicks from being ‘outrageous’ and maybe upsetting some people?

Clearly they goaded Elliot but was that because they thought his actions would further some cause; or was it more akin to teasing/winding up/encouraging the ‘weird kid’ at school and sitting back and seeing what happens?

Thalia
Thalia
5 years ago

Much of the garbage gets spotlighted here is too ridiculous/delusional to be anything but pathetic and funny,but this? This makes me sick. These guys are actively egging each other on to become murderers.

Thalia
Thalia
5 years ago

Alan, you put what I was wondering much more clearly.

ej
ej
5 years ago

Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.

No. You do not get a fucking bonus for not killing people. That is not how it works.

StarStorm
5 years ago

Basically, “Give us pussy or we’ll kill you all.”

Lovely.

StarStorm
5 years ago

Also, ninjaed by Sparky. Go fig.

Michael Lindsay
5 years ago

Wasn’t it that other idiot Vox Day who first came up with this load of bollocks theory that he was an Omega a Beta or some other greek letter because of his receding hairline or some shit?

Jay in Oregon
5 years ago

sparky:

That’s kind of a Platonic ideal of “entitlement”, isn’t it?

Luna
Luna
5 years ago

Speaking as an actually autistic person, I would like the people on Sluthate who are defending and idolizing the Germanwings pilot to sit on a cactus and rotate until they have a better understanding of the issue. This could take a while.

thesunisup
thesunisup
5 years ago

Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.

Or they’ll just lock you up preemptively. That’s usually how society reacts towards groups it perceives as dangerous. I mean, in the wake of Columbine, did we see people being extra nice to trenchcoat loner kids and sending them fruit baskets? No, they treated them like lepers. When Muslim terrorists started blowing shit up, did Westerners start being nicer to non-terrorist Muslims? No, they retaliated, sometimes with violence.

These guys are masters of self-delusion.

frances
frances
5 years ago

“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels”

That’s actually one of my greatest fears as someone on the autism spectrum. I hope it doesn’t come out that this guy was autistic.

Linax5
Linax5
5 years ago

a friend of my friend was in the fly….

I knew her, its so sad.

this ”people” or shall I say FUCKING WORTHLESS DISGUSTING INHUMAN ASSHOLES, should be put in jail and NEVER ever see the daylight anymore!!

IM SO ANGRY! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

these german ”sluts” are way better people than this little assholes will ever be

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago


Considering how relatively few they are. They better HOPE it never comes to a point where society starts truly fearing them. Because that will not end well… for them.

I just pity the poor sods who fall within the autist spectre, whom these idiots will drag down with them.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

A large percentage of the 150+ people on that plane were sluts and Chads

This, this right here, THIS is the reason that these people are incels. This is why no one will ever go near them.

They may be exquisitely hyperaware of physical features – they may think they can parse human beings right down to wrist size and hairline and height, and know all there is to know about them – but they are competely blind to the wretched black void that’s replaced their souls.

To say that…to even be capable of saying that…about the victims of this tragedy. I’m speechless.

And then to have the nerve to whine that society doesn’t understand their pain.

Hundreds of grieving families. And all they can think about are their penises.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago

Linax5. My condolences.

blanktie
blanktie
5 years ago

“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.”

It would be hilarious how delusional they are if tragedies like this didn’t indeed turn more fear and ire towards autistic (and mentally ill) people. The funny part is they think doing things like this will get them anywhere.

Also, “normalfag”? Someone needs to lay off the 4chan.

lkeke35
5 years ago

Buttercup: QFT!

There’s not a lot of room in my life for hate becasue it’s no good for my blood pressure, but what little room there is, is reserved for people like this, whom I hate with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.

Charles RB
Charles RB
5 years ago

Lubitz, by all accounts, had had at least one long-term girlfriend, a career he loved, and an active social life with lots of people who liked him. He is thus a terrible example for “incels” to wave up as One Of Them and someone driven from society.

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

You wonder what they could have done with their lives if they had ever seriously thought about anything constructive.

Hrooble
Hrooble
5 years ago

“Considering how relatively few they are. They better HOPE it never comes to a point where society starts truly fearing them. Because that will not end well… for them. ”

Exactly. Do these people not realise how things work in the real world?
Presuming that:
A) We recognsed involuntary celibacy as “a thing”,
and,
B) Decided that they posed a grave threat,
Society isn’t likely to just give them girls, is it? Societies tend to do nasty things to individuals that they see as threats.

frances
frances
5 years ago

@Linax5 That’s terrible. My condolences.

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

Wow, that’s some heavy-duty delusion going on there.

Scared people are dangerous.
Malleable as well, true, but irrationally violent and deadly to their target.

@Linax – I am truly sorry to hear of your friend.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

For a while now I’ve been considering options for a dissertation for a “Terrorism Studies” M.Litt.

I’m seriously thinking the MRA/Incel scene may be a potential subject.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Oh and Linax5

If the words of a random stranger on the internet can ever mean anything, I really feel for you.

M.
M.
5 years ago

Also, “normalf*g”? Someone needs to lay off the 4chan.

“Autist” (*winces* I HATE THAT WORD) comes from 4Chan too. They made it up so that they don’t have to refer to autistic people as, y’know, people. It’s basically the autism equivalent of the r-word.

proxieme
proxieme
5 years ago

Also, what metric are they using to judge appearances?

Not that it really matters – people have all kinds of tastes and attractions, one person’s trash is another’s treasure, etc – but Lubitz looks disturbingly like a guy that I had a huge crush on as a teenager.

Is anyone who’s not AlphaDudeBroHandsome or an HB10 just irremdeemable trash to them?
‘Cause…well…that may go a ways towards explaining their general lack of success in the dating pool.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

It’s feminism’s fault this happened because pilots aren’t allowed to sexually harass flight attendants anymore? Whaaaa!?

Because there was no such thing as murder suicide before whatever year it was they decided feminism took over? Really?

Also, how is 5’10 a “manlet?” Isn’t that about average height for a man?

If any of these guys are actually on the autism spectrum and not just appropriating it, how could they possibly think it would be good for them to be feared? I wouldn’t want my brother forcibly institutionalized, discriminated against or brutalized or killed by police because he’s stereotyped wrongly as someone who would commit mass murder. Ugh. These assholes should ask the families of Eric Garner or Tamir Rice how much of an advantage it is to be in a group that’s stereotyped as dangerous and scary.*

* I only mean that rhetorically. I would not actually want them to be subjected to a conversation with Sluthate posters.

tedthefed
tedthefed
5 years ago

This community… I mean, beneath all the horror, I just can never wrap my head around the whole idea of this community.

They believe they’re unattractive. They also believe that being unattractive leads people to not want to date them or have sex with them.

So… Why on earth do these guys get mad at women for just doing what MAKES SENSE? If the problem is their own unattractiveness, why does it ever occur to them to blame anyone else?

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

The fact that they’re so eager for retributive violence that they’d project their pathology onto someone who pretty clear wasn’t “one of them” is extremely disturbing. Their ideology is the memetic equivalent of cancer.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I’d like to know why these chucklefucks are so eager to claim MASS MURDERERS as the heroes of their cause. If they’re going to lay claim to dead people who have no evidence whatsoever of being incel, why wouldn’t they pick out someone who, I don’t know, died running into a burning building to save people or something? “Society saw this guy as someone ugly, someone undesirable and subhuman, but he showed them all by selflessly saving other people and showing us that true masculinity is on the inside, not indicated by rippling muscles and chicks on either arm.”

That would be grossly appropriative and dragging a hero down by association with these assholes, but at least they wouldn’t be lionizing and encouraging people to murder other people in some kind of sick revenge/threat. Haven’t they ever heard that the best revenge is living well?

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

gfs: 0
kisses: 0
handjobs: 0
blowjobs: 0
intercourse: 0

rejections: 0

They can’t blow you if you’re too terrified to ask them out.

PussyPowerTantrum
PussyPowerTantrum
5 years ago

I’m feeling afraid for a young online friend who started using incel language, about how unpopular men are the lowest life forms and how dare feminists judge him as a sexist shut-in for seeking the fantasy of 2D-women where 3D-women are unattainable. (The latter was in response to feminist critiques of his favored medium, anime. And yeah, I did a double take when I saw the term 2D and 3D women, since I recognized that term from this blog.) I tried to tell him that he doesn’t have to buy into conventional ideas about masculinity which are unhelpful and bogus, and then he got all shouty about how dare I call him evil (??) so… I don’t know. It’s not like I’m obligated or even likely to “save” this guy, but I’ve known him for a long time and it hurts to have him attribute all this false evil to feminists knowing full well I’m a feminist, and then silencing me with anger or threats (he threatened to kill himself a couple of times when I criticized him) when I argue back. Maybe I should cut ties after all, or tell him this is not something I’m comfortable discussing with him.

Karalora
5 years ago

Is it just me, or are THEY the ones looking at pictures of Lubitz and deeming him too ugly/wimpy to have a girlfriend? They project their own narrow-mindedness onto women and then despise women for it.

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

I daresay these incels are nothing so attractive as the late Mr. Lubitz, an athletic specimen with a rather typical mid-German face, right down to the dint in his chin. Why someone under 5′ 10″ would be deemed a “manlet” is beyond me. Furthermore, he had been with the same girl friend for seven years. Whatever the cause of his actions, he was not striking a blow for *them*.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@PussyPowerTantrum

I’ve expressed my doubts previously as to the sincerity of MRA/incels. However I do believe that that there is a pool of naive and vulnerable young men that they will seek to radicalise, who do, or will, end up believing it.

I don’t think they do it to further their ’cause’. i believe their cause is causing upset for its own sake. But, in the same way they goaded Elliot, I think they may have a tendency to wind people up and set them loose and sit back and enjoy the mayhem.

Not saying you owe anything to this chap, but maybe ask him to at least consider that he’s being exploited by them?

skybison
skybison
5 years ago

{quote]Do they actually believe/want what they say? Or is it just getting kicks from being ‘outrageous’ and maybe upsetting some people?[/quote]

Well I think there are some MRA types that are mostly just looking for attention, but these guys I think are completely serious. They’re mostly just yelling at each other in their little echo chamber, not going places where theyll be noticed and most of what they say about women isn’t any different from what other hate groups say about Jews, Black people, gays etc/

[quote]While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.[/quote]

Okay I have a question about that one. I’m not sure if I’m being ableist, if I am I apologize in advance, but isn’t that bundling up all mental illnesses together? Aren’t there some specific mental disorders that make someone do violent things even if the vast majority do not? (There have after all been people like John Hinckley and Vincent Li)

gandy saved my life
gandy saved my life
5 years ago

WHY ISNT THIS ABSOLUTE HELL HOLE BANNED?

tedthefed
tedthefed
5 years ago

Skybison: There are mental disorders which are pretty much defined by being dangerous to other people: things like antisocial personality disorder and psycopathy. But unless I’m wrong, your examples are people who most closely have schizophrenia, and that statistic David referenced absolutely holds true for that.

Monopole
Monopole
5 years ago

This is sort of a perverse inversion of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy or even the #NotAllMen variant. Rather than inventing ever more exclusionary criteria to eliminate a bad actor, they relax their standards to include evil men. Soon enough they will have classified every man except Brad Pitt as an incel.

I was dreading this escalating when I read in the Guardian profile:

One website on Lubitz’s Facebook profile was Wenn Männer alleine sind or (When Men are Alone) – not a place for lonely singles but a humorous website that includes videos of men fooling about with chainsaws on frozen lakes, or haplessly looking after babies. It features an image of a man lighting a fart. Someone has posted in the comments section in German: “I love being a man.”

Thankfully it apparently isn’t a MGTOW site.

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

Alan: I like your choice of a subject. My guess is that the demographic overlaps with sovereign citizens, oathkeepers, open-carriers, and white supremacists, as well.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Catalpa

I’d like to know why these chucklefucks are so eager to claim MASS MURDERERS as the heroes of their cause.

Probably because they see a guy doing exactly what they all fantasize about doing, so they assume he was motivated by the exact same reasons. It does make them look kind of…bad, though. And un-self-aware.

“All those bitches deserve to die in a hail of gunfire! (small, unreflective pause) Why won’t anyone date me?”

@Fnoicby

It’s so absurd how they think an act like Eliot Rodgers’ causes society to wring their hands and search their souls on how they can appease the “incel” community. That didn’t happen, anywhere.

It’s not like women (as a gender) have a suggestion box where we constantly solicit “How can we serve you better?” comments from men (as a gender). We don’t have monthly customer service meetings to assess the performance of Women Inc. and brainstorm ways to make men happier. No one is presenting alarming rage figures and going “Dammit! We’re simply not distributing enough blowjobs! We’ve got to step up our presence in the male vertical!”

Individuals decide who they’re attracted to, and from there, what aspects of themselves they want to emphasize in order to attract/please the kind of person they want. That’s it. There’s no mass conspiracy among women to deny sexual gratification to men. We’re just not that organized.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I need a shower after reading some of those comments.

These people exist.

These are real people who believe these things sincerely.

It’s almost enough to make me just stick to dating women forever. Thank heavens for the few decent people out there that make me aware that these men are a loud, disgusting minority.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

@Buttercup

Probably because they see a guy doing exactly what they all fantasize about doing, so they assume he was motivated by the exact same reasons.

The idea that their greatest fantasy, the concept that resonates most strongly with them, is one of killing people and causing mass terror and suffering is a fucking bone chilling one. Made worse that that seems like a highly plausible explanation for these dude’s actions.

M.
M.
5 years ago

I kind of wonder how many of these morons spew Islamophobic crap about extremist terrorists out one side of their mouths then spew this crap out the other despite extremism and this being the exact same mindset.

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