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Sluthate’s “shitty advice” forum, devoted to discussing such high-minded topics as “Do fat women have dirtier vaginas?” and “why is rape bad,” is a haven for embittered “incels” — self-described “involuntary celibates” — who’ve convinced themselves that they are too objectively unattractive and un-alpha to attract attention from the cruel and superficial “sluts” of the world — a category that seems to include all the women they find attractive.
Back when the forum was known as PUAhate, it was a regular hangout of one especially embittered incel, a young man known as Elliot Rodger, who last year killed six in Isla Vista California, and then himself, in what he called his “Day of Retribution” against women. Many of Sluthate’s regulars, unsurprisingly, have embraced “ER” as a kind of incel martyr.
Now they’ve found a new and improved hero: Andreas Lubitz, the troubled co-pilot who, French officials say, deliberately flew Germanwings Flight 9525 into a mountain in the French Alps.
In a topic entitled BREAKING: Co-pilot was incel and crashed the plane!!!, Sluthate regulars have embraced Lubitz as “one of them” — and are enthusiastically celebrating his alleged mass murder as the possible beginning of a “Beta uprising.”
“New high score, and in a much shorter time too,” a commenter calling himself gobman3000 wrote happily. “Damn, legitimate SLAYER.”
Alienfranco was even more enthusiastic:
What a fucking SLAYER.
Did you ever know that you’re my hero? You are the wind beneath my WINGS. …
Why go out with a whimper when you can go out with a BANG? An incel killing 150+ people will make a lot more of an impact than killing 1 asshole or a few assholes.
A large percentage of the 150+ people on that plane were sluts and Chads anyway.
Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.
OmegaKV noted that many of the passengers on the plane “were teenagers who were vacationing,” concluding
This was DEFINITELY an incel motivated plane crash.
He couldn’t take it too see so many good looking and happy teenagers with gfs, experiencing the adolescence he always longed for but never got, so took advantage of the perfect opportunity to kill himself while taking the teenage normalfags with him.
PuaKiller agreed:
Yeah. He definitely knew what he was doing. I can only imagine what he was feeling in that moment. Wow. …
This one is going in the hall of fame!
Largely dismissing the news reports suggesting that Lubitz did, in fact, have a girlfriend, the regulars examined each new picture of the alleged mass murderer that appeared in the media for telltale signs of his incel status.
PJ1 was brutal in his assessment:
-looks like a manlet from his proportions. I’d honestly be surprised if he’s over 5 10
-small frame
-critical balding
-beta face
OldRooster1 agreed:
guy does look like an incel manlet that came to the realization that the status of being a pilot was not enough to overcome his 3.5/10 looks/body.
“Look at that frame, he’s about 60kg soaking wet,” Jigar added. “I’d be surprised if his wrists were a hair over 6 inches thick.”
Still another commenter labeled him a “betafaced framecel” — whatever that is — and “the kind of guy that’s INVISIBLE.”
These are harsh assessments, to be sure, and in some cases seem to have virtually no connection with the photographic evidence, but the Sluthate regulars tend to be equally harsh in their assessments of themselves. Thread-starter Zark_Muckerberg, for example, attaches a sig to each of his posts quantifying his romantic and sexual failures:
gfs: 0
kisses: 0
handjobs: 0
blowjobs: 0
intercourse: 0
Having convinced themselves that they will never be able to have a life equal to that of the world’s “good looking and happy … normalfags,” the Sluthaters feel Lubitz’ pain — or, at least, the pain they imagine he felt.
Flawed Mentat blamed the killings on an uncaring world that didn’t deliver Lubitz the “good woman” he deserved.
HE did not fire the first shot. Women and Society, blase, branded HIM as non human, invisible, an object of scorn and laughter. So, when it sunk in that all his effort was in vain, there were no good women awaiting him, life was gonna be just as empty, lonely and horrifying as before he even started training as a pilot, well, he probably logically decided to declare war back on the human race, since it was open in its war on him.
ThereIsNoGame agreed:
Just lol @ reddit comments saying how creepy it is that he didn’t think about the lives of all the people he killed.
Yeah, well what about all the people who never gave a fuck about him. He was probably treated like shit over and over again.
Society never looks itself in the mirror when it is to blame.
Don’t treat people like shit and shit wont happen. Why is that so hard to understand?
He ended his comment with this chilling warning-cum-threat.
looks like more people will need to die until the message is drilled in.
Zygominati directed his ire at a familiar target:
I blame feminism for this. In days gone by pilots would flirt with stewardesses and pinch their arses. They would leave their hotel room ajar for layover shenanigans. Now they are bus drivers in the sky that can’t even take a shit. This incel was probably sold a dream and after countless hours of flight time realised there is nothing there.
Meanwhile, the few Sluthaters who didn’t utterly dismiss the news reports of Lubitz having a girlfriend seized on the reports that the two had broken up — and blamed the girlfriend for “cucking” him. As Patriarch put it,
If its true that his girlfriend cucked or dumped him, just imagine how smug this entitled shitcunt must feel like right now. Looking at him, she was a 4 at best but now she gets her own little fairytale drama story and she gets to go on TV and talk about how awful she feels and how she never expected this to happen. In the aftermath, a bunch of whiteknights will whiteknight her into oblivion and probably donate a million € to her fundme so she can learn to deal with this tragedy…. Fucking feminist shitcunt society
It goes without saying that all of these embittered rants are based almost entirely on projection. We know very little about Lubitz, or what might have motivated him to (allegedly) crash the plane, killing 149 innocent human beings and himself.
While news reports suggest that he had suffered from depression and from some other mental illnesses as yet unnamed, these revelations raise more questions than they answer. Depression can certainly contribute to suicide, but mass murder? Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than victimizers.
While it seems clear that Lubitz was not literally an “incel” — he apparently did have a girlfriend — it’s certainly possible that he crashed the plane because he was upset over a breakup with that girlfriend, or angry at women in general.
That’s not a conclusion we can draw based on looking at Lubitz’s “waist-hip-ratio” or the size of his wrists. It’s a possibility we can raise based on our understanding of how murder/suicides unfold in the real world.
As I pointed out yesterday, murder/suicide is overwhelmingly a male crime, and the victims are often wives, girlfriends or exes. Breakups often trigger rage in men, and a few take this rage out on the women they feel have wronged them. Or, in extreme cases, on women in general. The intended targets of Elliot Rodger’s rampage were what the “spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut[s]” in a local sorority. (Luckily, he was barred at the door and his plan collapsed.)
But even if Lubitz was driven by “incel rage” or something much like it, it’s worth pointing out that this rage is based on bullshit. Elliot Rodger was not objectively unattractive; his problems with women came from within, from a mixture of embittered entitlement, self-hatred and an assortment of other psychological demons.
Similarly, the rage of Sluthate’s incels is driven not by the actual behavior of women in the real world but by their fucked-up ideas about women — and themselves. Sluthaters hate themselves as much as they hate “sluts,” and project their own hyper-critical assessments of their own looks onto the women they think are perpetually judging them and finding them wanting. Ironically, they themselves view women with the same hyper-critical eyes, dismissing all but a handful of young, conventionally attractive women as “fugly hambeasts” and the like.
Sluthate reinforces a poisonous and supremely self-defeating way of looking at the world. Whether or not Lubitz was driven by “incel rage,” I think we have every reason to worry that Sluthate and other internet forums devoted to “incels” may be breeding more “heroes” like Elliot Rodger and, possibly, Andreas Lubitz.
WTF?
Just, WTF? “Give us money and pay for our prostitutes or we’ll kill you all?” Really?
“Autists”?!?!? No. No no no no no. You are not allowed to lump anyone with autism in with this kind of violence and hatred. No way.
There is way too much awful here to digest in one sitting.
I know that the sort of mindset that people like this have leads to weird ideas about body image, but if this isn’t a typo (6 cm rather than 6 in), this is an incredibly weird idea about ideal wrist size.
I…what does autism have to do with this at all? The fuck?
Didn’t they change their site name to avoid being associated with a murderer? Why would they ….?
Fuck it. I know why but I don’t want to know.
@Leum, maybe they mean circumference? They must.
It’s so absurd how they think an act like Eliot Rodgers’ causes society to wring their hands and search their souls on how they can appease the “incel” community. That didn’t happen, anywhere.
“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.”
I have the same question about ‘incels’ as I do about MRAs.
Do they actually believe/want what they say? Or is it just getting kicks from being ‘outrageous’ and maybe upsetting some people?
Clearly they goaded Elliot but was that because they thought his actions would further some cause; or was it more akin to teasing/winding up/encouraging the ‘weird kid’ at school and sitting back and seeing what happens?
Much of the garbage gets spotlighted here is too ridiculous/delusional to be anything but pathetic and funny,but this? This makes me sick. These guys are actively egging each other on to become murderers.
Alan, you put what I was wondering much more clearly.
No. You do not get a fucking bonus for not killing people. That is not how it works.
Basically, “Give us pussy or we’ll kill you all.”
Lovely.
Also, ninjaed by Sparky. Go fig.
Wasn’t it that other idiot Vox Day who first came up with this load of bollocks theory that he was an Omega a Beta or some other greek letter because of his receding hairline or some shit?
sparky:
That’s kind of a Platonic ideal of “entitlement”, isn’t it?
Speaking as an actually autistic person, I would like the people on Sluthate who are defending and idolizing the Germanwings pilot to sit on a cactus and rotate until they have a better understanding of the issue. This could take a while.
Or they’ll just lock you up preemptively. That’s usually how society reacts towards groups it perceives as dangerous. I mean, in the wake of Columbine, did we see people being extra nice to trenchcoat loner kids and sending them fruit baskets? No, they treated them like lepers. When Muslim terrorists started blowing shit up, did Westerners start being nicer to non-terrorist Muslims? No, they retaliated, sometimes with violence.
These guys are masters of self-delusion.
“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels”
That’s actually one of my greatest fears as someone on the autism spectrum. I hope it doesn’t come out that this guy was autistic.
a friend of my friend was in the fly….
I knew her, its so sad.
this ”people” or shall I say FUCKING WORTHLESS DISGUSTING INHUMAN ASSHOLES, should be put in jail and NEVER ever see the daylight anymore!!
IM SO ANGRY! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these german ”sluts” are way better people than this little assholes will ever be
…
Considering how relatively few they are. They better HOPE it never comes to a point where society starts truly fearing them. Because that will not end well… for them.
I just pity the poor sods who fall within the autist spectre, whom these idiots will drag down with them.
This, this right here, THIS is the reason that these people are incels. This is why no one will ever go near them.
They may be exquisitely hyperaware of physical features – they may think they can parse human beings right down to wrist size and hairline and height, and know all there is to know about them – but they are competely blind to the wretched black void that’s replaced their souls.
To say that…to even be capable of saying that…about the victims of this tragedy. I’m speechless.
And then to have the nerve to whine that society doesn’t understand their pain.
Hundreds of grieving families. And all they can think about are their penises.
Linax5. My condolences.
“Hopefully all these incel killings get to a point where society will fear autists/incels and give us $2000/month and subsidized prostitution to placate us from killing normalfags.”
It would be hilarious how delusional they are if tragedies like this didn’t indeed turn more fear and ire towards autistic (and mentally ill) people. The funny part is they think doing things like this will get them anywhere.
Also, “normalfag”? Someone needs to lay off the 4chan.
Buttercup: QFT!
There’s not a lot of room in my life for hate becasue it’s no good for my blood pressure, but what little room there is, is reserved for people like this, whom I hate with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.
Lubitz, by all accounts, had had at least one long-term girlfriend, a career he loved, and an active social life with lots of people who liked him. He is thus a terrible example for “incels” to wave up as One Of Them and someone driven from society.
You wonder what they could have done with their lives if they had ever seriously thought about anything constructive.