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Vox Day: Could Andreas Lubitz’s murder/suicide by plane been prevented "if the sluts of the world were a little more equitable in their distribution of blowjobs?"

Andres Lubitz: Mass murderer?
Andreas Lubitz: Mass murderer?

French prosecutors are saying that the co-pilot of the Germanwings Airbus A320 that crashed in the Alps brought the plane down deliberately, after locking the pilot out of the cockpit. If so, this was one of the most horrific cases of murder/suicide the world has ever seen.

At the moment, we don’t know enough about the co-pilot, 28-year-old Andreas Lubitz. to know what motivated him to allegedly crash the plane. French authorities are saying that they don’t think it was an act of terrorism. But that may be because they have a rather simplistic definition of terrorism.

Murder/suicide is an overwhelmingly male crime; studies suggest that men may make up 90% or more of the perpetrators. While most of these cases — excluding suicide bombings — involve a man killing himself and a partner or ex-partner, there have also been cases in which men have resorted to mass murder in order to make some twisted point about what they see as a world unfair to men in general and them in particular. These acts aren’t generally considered terrorism, but they should be.

You know the names: Elliot Rodger, who killed seven, including himself, as part of what he called his “War on Women.” George Sodini, a would-be pickup artist who opened fire on an LA Fitness aerobics class because he couldn’t get a date. Marc Lepine, who killed 14 women at the École Polytechnique in Montreal in an attempt “to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker.” The list goes on.

Whenever one of these horrific massacres occurs, there are always some who rush to excuse or defend or even lionize the perpetators. And there are those who argue that these tragedies could have somehow been averted if women had just treated these poor men better.

In the case of this particular tragedy, reactionary fantasy writer Vox Day — real name, Theodore Beale — is literally suggesting that it could have been prevented “if the sluts of the world were just a little less picky and a little more equitable in their distribution of blowjobs.”

Here’s his, er, argument, from a post on his Alpha Game blog today:

Why he did it, no one knows yet, but it won’t surprise me to learn that Lubritch [sic] was a deeply angry and embittered Omega male. There is a reason Omegas frighten women merely by existing; they are capable of terrible and merciless acts of self-destruction. You can see Lubritch is a small and prematurely balding young man, possibly somewhat overweight, his occupation indicates that he was more intelligent than the norm, and the uncertain smile he has on his face tends to indicate low socio-sexual rank.

Good to know that Vox — who himself has an “uncertain smile” in some photographs I’ve seen of him — can x-ray someone’s personality by glancing at a snapshot.

Now, obviously no one else was responsible for Lubritch’s actions if it indeed was Omega rage at work. He alone bears the blame. But it is somewhat haunting to think about how many lives might be saved each year if the sluts of the world were just a little less picky and a little more equitable in their distribution of blowjobs.

So he alone deserves the blame — but somehow his actions are also the fault of unfair blowjob distribution by the “sluts of the world?”

As a 28 year-old airline pilot, Lubritch would likely have been married in a more traditionally structured society. It’s not impossible that the Germanwings deaths represent more of the indirect costs of feminism.

Oh, and it’s ultimately the fault of feminism.

Now, Vox Day is a famously terrible person, and something of a troll.

But the fact is that similar — if generally less explicit — apologias for male violence are common in the “manosphere” and amongst Men’s Rights Activists.

More on this here.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ misseb47

In return for your interesting post I’ll swap some info from things I’ve picked up over the years (can’t guarantee it will be interesting). This is from an English perspective.

In 60% of murders it is the murderer who calls the police.

Women accused of murder who tried to run diminished responsibility as a defence (in the legal sense) were (are?) often portrayed by the prosecution as cold and calculating because they would take steps to clean up the murder scene and the rest of the location. The implication was that they were forensically aware and were trying to cover up evidence.

They would also do things like get the kids clothes ready for school and make sandwiches. Again the implication was that they were cold heartless killers for whom the murder was an in significant act.

It transpired though (from numerous interviews) that the main reasons for this were that women knew that a bunch of strangers would soon be entering the house (in the form of the police and possibly the press) and they didn’t want people thinking they were ‘slatternly’ (insert your own thoughts about gender roles here) and that they knew they would be likely to be remanded in custody so they wanted to make sure the kids had everything they needed (again insert your own thoughts here).

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Spindrift-Thanks! 😀

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@misseb47: Actually, thanks for that! It contained a lot of statistics I didn’t already know about (I live in America, so some of them weren’t too relevant to me, but I’m going to assume that some of them would likely be the same here).

@Alan Robertshaw: Thanks for adding to it as well! It is a very interesting topic, and even though I’m not a lawyer or a scientist like some of our wonderful community members, I still find I can always use the extra information. :3

@Ann Morgan: As a fat girl with mental illnesses myself, that was a gross couple of comments for you to make. No one deserves to have to put up with Vox Day’s bullshit, and implying that I am some sort of “punishment” was going too fucking far. I am not a “punishment” because of my weight or my mind. I am not something you can wield to make assholes like Vox Day feel bad. I am a person, and I would like to be treated as such. That means with respect.

You should also drop the condescending “sweetie” bit. You got called out for making a rude comment. Don’t double down on it and dig your heels in.

Thou shalt not covet -since according to Vox, he covetted ‘sluts’ that belonged to other men.

I don’t care what religion you follow, but no one belongs to anyone. Especially women to men. If you have a partner/spouse, they don’t “belong” to you.

he has a sociopathic sex fantasy

Stop armchair diagnosing people. it’s ableist as fuck, and it’s not welcome here.

Vox immediately turns around and contradicts the bible.

And you never contradict the Bible at all? You never eat shrimp, work on Saturday, wear polyester, ect? Do you still stone people to death for cheating on their spouses?

I’m all up for Vox not being a respectable Christian, but claiming that he’s contradicting the Bible is a bit of a weak claim, since most Christians contradict what the Bible says verbatim all the time. Mostly because they’ve realized that a lot of the things in there are outdated and we shouldn’t do that anymore, because we’ve grown as a society and learned to look beyond that.

Frankly, honest debauchery such as found in 50 Shades of Grey […]

There was nothing “honest” about the debauchery in 50 Shades of Grey. It’s all manipulation, abuse, rape and lies. If you’d like, I could give you a list of all the examples in the books, as well as link you to other people reading it and giving their thoughts on it.

The books characterize BDSM as being a mental disorder, and when it’s not laughably basic or bad (Christian Grey’s “Red Room of Pain” is hilariously vanilla), the BDSM that is portrayed is really fucking unsafe (You don’t use belts for bondage, for example).

I personally couldn’t make it past chapter sixteen of the first book (even though I was reading a sporking of it and not the actual book) because I had a panic attack when Christian Grey beats and rapes Ana in her bedroom after breaking into her apartment because she sent him an email where she said she didn’t want to continue the relationship as way of a joke.

And if you think I’m kidding, you’re more than welcome to Google that bit. Ana talks through the entire scene not like someone who’s turned on by what’s going on, but like someone who’s in pain and wants to get away from her attacker.

The whole scene made me had flashbacks to sexual abuse I had happen to me well over a decade ago. It took me two hours to calm down from that.

Yeah, nothing “honest” about that debauchery. Not in the book, and certainly not from the author, who believes that pointing out abuse in her book belittles abuse survivors, demonizes women who are into BDSM, and ignores women who found the books ‘sexually empowering’.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
5 years ago

Alan – that’s fascinating. Is there much investigation into this phenomenon? It seems like the sort of thing that would have a major impact in the way these crimes are prosecuted.

Lisa
Lisa
5 years ago

misseb47: No a great post and wonderful questions you raise..

Concentraing on just one area you raised:it is difficult to work out at times why males are like this (and I was one for many years and I struggled to work it out too).. Noting also that so very many are not, sadly quite a few can be encouraged to follow along.

But I grew up in the very violent early 70s in Glasgow so I got a first hand experience of that behaviour, right in my face.

So why do some males act this way, basically being on hair trigger violence alert. Note also that the this gets targetted at other males as well as females and also at gays, lesbian and TGs.

There is this funny twisted ‘honour’ thing that goes on in their minds. For some reason they are ‘alert’ at all times to any impingement of this ‘honour’. In their minds if they decline this, then they are ‘sissies’, not ‘real men’ and all that. The amount of times I have talked men out of violence is not fuuny.

Take the examples of those brothers/fathers who kill their sisters and daughters for ‘honour’.

But and here is the strange BUT, they never target a ‘tough’ target for their ‘honour’ rage. Not a big strong tough looking guy (unless nthey can stab him in the back) . No it is a female or a weak looking male, or a (weak looking) gay guy, or a TG.

Though they have an ‘honour’ system in their mind, however they are very deferential to really tough guys or also now increasingly tough girls or tough gays.

So, IMHO, this is just an extension of 5-10 year old bullying behaviour. They either are those bullies who have kept doing it, or are some that were bullied that are now reacting back by copying it. Instead of fighting against it and later protecting others from it.

The important thing is that in their minds they are ‘respected’ for their violence capabilities. if you ‘disrespect’ that capability then, if you are weak, they feel in their minds you deserve every punishment, inclduing death, that they can deliver. Though they will grovel to someone they think is ‘strong’.

In a sense they need a a hierarchy to function as ‘men’ in their minds..

This has been recognised for all of time and is used sometimes positively more often badly. Armies work on this principle in their training. Young males put together unitiing them in shared violence and nearly always a ‘blind eye to rape’. Spoils of war and all that.

This is such a clear example of this mindset the murderer of Jill Meagher here in Melbourne.
” I was helping her” , by raping her….
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/how-adrian-bayley-was-transformed-from-cocky-and-arrogant-to-a-whimpering-emasculated-shell-of-a-man-20150326-1m5gcv.html

And this is powerful emotional stuff for so many males. True story, UK 1992. Falklands. I was in the Operations Dept of South Eastern gas. We were the ‘brains trust’, seriously bright people. One young guy, happily marrtied and a nice guy, English middle class, never been in a fight in his entre life, and I will never forget when he said to me : I’d love to go there and fight’. You know the saddest thing about it..his wife, also a professional worker, agreed….

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Allen-That is interesting! I haven’t heard about that before. I never knew that this happens! I guess it makes sense, though. It also seems to me that these woman faced so much pressure from their abusive partners to abide by stereotypical female gender roles and the abusers had such control over them, that they could not break from those roles even with their partner dead. I have just done some research on this and found that abusers have many ways of messing with the heads of their victims. Abusers use controlling behaviors, rigid sex roles, degradation dual personalities, domination, gaslighting and isolation as well as verbal and physical abuse. O.O I guess it makes their victims easier to control if their entire sense of self is worn down to nothing.

So therefore they didn’t want people thinking they were ‘slatternly’ (inserted thought 1) “because we all know that only women do house work and the house must be spotless, even though there is now a dead body in the house and the whole place is a crime scene..”) and that they knew they would be likely to be remanded in custody so they wanted to make sure the kids had everything they needed (inserted thought 2) “because women have to always be nurturing and put everyone before themselves, even though the he did what ever he wanted, when he wanted, to he wanted…”).

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Lisa-Thank you! <3 And thanks for sharing your story, too. Yeah, it is very strange. It is amazing to me how these men pump themselves up with so much aggression to prove how macho they are, but only go for targets they perceive as weaker than themselves, while at the same time acting like this has proved their toughness somehow. But, as you mentioned , as soon someone tougher (or tougher looking, since those guys are all about appearance rather than substance) they crumble. It also amazes me that they feel the need to pump themselves with aggression in the first place?! Grrr! I guess they have never developed past 5-10, mentally. They are like small children throwing tantrums at every little thing that doesn't go their way. At least real children tend not to kill.

"This is such a clear example of this mindset the murderer of Jill Meagher here in Melbourne.
” I was helping her” , by raping her…"

The mentality of such people disgust me. When I read this, I couldn't believe how someone could think like this. Unfortunately, some people do and innocent people get killed.

"True story, UK 1992. Falklands. I was in the Operations Dept of South Eastern gas. We were the ‘brains trust’, seriously bright people. One young guy, happily marrtied and a nice guy, English middle class, never been in a fight in his entre life, and I will never forget when he said to me : I’d love to go there and fight’. You know the saddest thing about it..his wife, also a professional worker, agreed…."

Ugghhh. I bet he wouldn't love getting shot at and seeing people he knows die. I too want to join the military (I can't, because I am on medication for hypothyroidism) not because "I would love to fight" but to serve my country and to give something back. I love my country, because Australia has given me so much-it has given me a good public healthcare system, a great education, welfare assistance stability and safety (Australia has a relatively low crime rate). Also, I have been struggling with long term unemployment (the job market seems to suck at the moment), so I feel like a bit of a free loader. ^^; I just feel that I owe the world something.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Paradoxical Intention-You are very welcome! 😀

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

“to serve my country and to give something back”

As Dr Johnson said “Every man thinks less of himself for not having been a solider or sailor” [See, even in the eighteenth century no one liked the Air Force]

On a related note, it’s very interesting about the psychology of combat. It is for instance very hard to get soldiers to kill. They fear killing more than being killed. I once wrote a paper for the MOD dealing with the subject (it was in relation to some legal aspects). I can’t share the paper with you but I can tell you a possibly amusing anecdote about it.

I wrote the paper and handed it in (for various reasons it had to be hard copy). I then realised I’d handed in a slightly earlier draft of the final product, so I went to ask for it back and giver them the proper one.

“Sorry, you can’t have it”

“Eh, why not?”

“You don’t have the clearance to see it”

Gotta love security.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Ann,
Seconding Catalpa. Neither fat or mentally ill women deserve to be spoken of like objects that are to be used to punish someone for being an asshole. That was very dehumanizing and gross.

Then you had to double down and throw in some #notallchristians? No. We all know that lots of Christians don’t hold toxic views and are good people. That doesn’t mean you get to say that someone who is toxic and a Christian isn’t one because you don’t like the association. There are assholes in every demographic group. Calling him not a real Christian would be the same as saying he’s not a real man.

Dord
Dord
5 years ago

I feel bad for the atoms in Vox Day’s body. The poor things never asked to be a part of something like that

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Misseb47 – joining in praise of your comments. It reminded me of the Homer Simpson line: “Facts, schmacts! You can prove anything even remotely true with facts.”

Also, nobody actually deserves to be with Beale, not even JB. Although Erin Pizzey comes close.

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Allan-I don’t think I could go around shooting people, either. Its a good thing I am not in the Army, then. XD But yes, for most people, killing is very hard.

“See, even in the eighteenth century no one liked the Air Force” LOL!! Ummm. No Airforce in the the 18th century! XD

“I wrote the paper and handed it in (for various reasons it had to be hard copy). I then realised I’d handed in a slightly earlier draft of the final product, so I went to ask for it back and giver them the proper one.

“Sorry, you can’t have it”

“Eh, why not?”

“You don’t have the clearance to see it”

Gotta love security.”

Oh dear! That is hilarious! They did know that you wrote, right? And that it wasn’t the only copy….Yep, you got to love security. ^^;

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ misseb47

To quote from the fantastic film “Four Lions”:

“You cant win an argument just by being right!”

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

“You cant win an argument just by being right!” True that. Sad, but true. Some people just ignore evidence no matter how much you provide.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

Paradoxal wrote:
**And you never contradict the Bible at all? You never eat shrimp, work on Saturday, wear polyester, ect? Do you still stone people to death for cheating on their spouses?**

Irrelevent. Vox claims loudly and repeatedly to be a ‘Christian’. Yet he immediately contradicts the bible as soon as the bible contradicts his sociopathic sex fantasies. That makes him a HYPOCRITE. I have never made any claims as to what religion I am (which is none of your business, btw). That being the case, any failure on my part in following biblical law does NOT make me a hypocrite.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

Paradoxal wrote: **There was nothing “honest” about the debauchery in 50 Shades of Grey. It’s all manipulation, abuse, rape and lies. If you’d like, I could give you a list of all the examples in the books, as well as link you to other people reading it and giving their thoughts on it.**

Paradoxal, I don’t think you understood my comment. I did not mean the behavior of the character ‘Christian Grey’ was honest. You are quite correct in that it was abusive and manipulative. What I meant was that the book itself was ‘honest’ in that it was upfront about being pornography. It did not put a veneer of holiness on what it was, and try to claim that it was depicting abuse and manipulation only out of holy motives, in order to follow this or that bible verse.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Ann Morgan | March 27, 2015 at 11:06 pm
Irrelevent. Vox claims loudly and repeatedly to be a ‘Christian’. Yet he immediately contradicts the bible as soon as the bible contradicts his sociopathic sex fantasies. That makes him a HYPOCRITE. I have never made any claims as to what religion I am (which is none of your business, btw). That being the case, any failure on my part in following biblical law does NOT make me a hypocrite.

It’s not irrelevant if you’re calling him out for being a hypocrite if you’re doing the same thing. If you don’t follow the Bible to the letter either, Christian or no, you calling Day hypocritical is in itself hypocritical. You’re pointing fingers and harping on about him contradicting the Bible, which no one in this day and age follows to the letter in the first place, thus it makes your argument very weak.

I’m not even Christian myself and I can tell you that much.

Plenty of people use the Bible as their shields when promoting agendas. This doesn’t make them right, but specifically calling out Day for it is weak, though with the added armchair diagnoses, it becomes more like bullshit.

Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post though.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Ann Morgan | March 27, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Paradoxal, I don’t think you understood my comment. I did not mean the behavior of the character ‘Christian Grey’ was honest. You are quite correct in that it was abusive and manipulative. What I meant was that the book itself was ‘honest’ in that it was upfront about being pornography. It did not put a veneer of holiness on what it was, and try to claim that it was depicting abuse and manipulation only out of holy motives, in order to follow this or that bible verse.

Didn’t see this before I posted my last one, apologies.

The book’s upfront about having “sexy” material in it, but it’s still not upfront about it being abuse. I fail to see how the books are “honest” in any sense of the word if they only cover the fact they have porn in them and not that the sex, or the character’s means of getting it, is abusive.

You can say “oh, this has porn in it!”, and still lie about what kind of porn it is. That’s where the author refuses to be honest.

The author doesn’t claim abuse and manipulation out of “holy motives”, but she does claim that these things are “sexy” and “what women want”. She’s using the desires of women to promote abuse, which is just as bad, if not worse than someone using “holy motives” to promote their world view.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

misseb47: you wrote:** 1) “because we all know that only women do house work and the house must be spotless, even though there is now a dead body in the house and the whole place is a crime scene..”)**

I’d have to know what place and time frame this came from, before making a judgement on it. People nowadays, at least in wealthier countries, generally are aware of police procedures and that evidence and crime scenes shouldn’t be tampered with. This was not always the case. In fact, it wasn’t all that long ago that the police themselves didn’t understand how to preserve or even interpret physical evidence. Case in point, one of the victims of Jack the Ripper was found in a shed. For ‘decency’s sake’, the first thing the police did was move her body to a bed in the house. Nowadays, that would be unthinkable, the shed would be photographed and measured and sniffed with dogs and who knows what, before anyone would ever dream of moving the body.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

Paradoxal wrote: **Didn’t see this before I posted my last one, apologies.**

I wasn’t very specific. Regarding the abuse in 50 Shades of Grey, my intention wasn’t to justify abuse. I apologize if this point confused you, I simply picked a pornographic book that was fairly well known as BEING pornography, and not pretending (as Vox does) to depict assorted sorts of abusive sex ‘just to follow the bible’. There’s plenty of other examples of pornography, such as Playboy, which are also honest about being pornography, and they don’t try to pretend that they are depicting whatever sort of sex it is they are depicting ‘just to follow the bible’.

As for 50 shades of grey claiming that it is depicting abuse ‘just to show love’ or whatever, that’s a seperate subject entirely.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

So Ann Morgan is just going to go on about the bible without apologizing for her ableism and fat shaming, then? Okay…

misseb47
misseb47
5 years ago

Ann Morgan: That is interesting, but lack of forensic awareness is the cause of this. This most likely occurred during modern times. Allen clearly stated that “Women accused of murder who tried to run diminished responsibility as a defence (in the legal sense) were (are?) often portrayed by the prosecution as cold and calculating because they would take steps to clean up the murder scene and the rest of the location. The implication was that they were forensically aware and were trying to cover up evidence.” They were aware of the implications of destroying forensic evidence, but heir abuses have so thoroughly messed with their heads, that they could not face other people seeing the house in that state. The damage the abuser inflicted does not just disappear the moment the abuser dies.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

Catalpa – I don’t know what ‘ableism’ is. I apologize for my fat shaming. You are right, even an unattractive woman does not deserve a sociopath like Vox. What Vox really deserves is the woman one of my ex boyfriends left me, who was a gold digger of a sort I don’t care to discuss. When I told him that she was a gold digger who would betray him as soon as she got all the good out of him, he told me that he already knew that, and that he specifically preferred a gold digger to the fact that I loved him, because ‘he knew where he stood with them. Whatever the hell that means.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

paradox, I have been thinking for a few hours, and will try to summarize my thoughts about Vox. It is difficult, because he has a very weaselly way of thinking and behaving.

Most people who consider themselves to be Christians but eat shellfish or don’t stone women are genuine Christians, but either disagree that certain parts of the bible are actually the word of God, or are too weak to follow all the rules.

The matter with Vox is different. Here is what I think about Vox. Vox *CLAIMS* that the only reason he treats women in an abusive fashion, ONLY is because it is (according to him), required by Christianity. But the evidence suggests that the opposite is what is actually true. Vox is interested in Christianity ONLY insofar as it provides a convenient ‘justification’ or veneer of holiness, for his sociopathic treatment of women. The moment Christianity would disagree with his abuse of women, he disagrees with Christianity. Nor does he follow very much else of what Christianity has to say.

M.
M.
5 years ago

Is Ann Morgan just trolling us?

fakecisgirl
5 years ago

So, like, Ann Morgan, you probably aren’t hip to this but I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt because I’m nicer when I’m drunk (let’s not talk about what this says about me), so here goes…

1. MRAssholes tend to believe that disabled women are easier ‘targets’ and single us out for various control games.

2. They tend to believe that because of being devalued over our disability (ps, here’s a decent definition of ‘ableism’ with useful examples…http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/11/19/what-is-ableism-five-things-about-ableism-you-should-know/) we’re less likely to put up resistance both to their execrable misogyny but also to thinks MRAssholes believe to be their ‘right’ from women, like sex. There’s a saying in the local poly community, one of the worst bunches of fedoras in history, that “r**ards, cr**les, and cows don’t say no”. It’s popularized by one of the cishet white dudes who pretty much runs everything. As a r-word and a somewhat tubby missus, I’m considered low-resistance by MRAsshole theology. I had…other plans.

3.Most MRAssholes either follow a dedicated fedora theology, like that of Paul Elam, W.F. Price, or other similar racist, transexterminationist, and misogynist sorts, or alternately a twisted brand of Christianity which plays up what white fundamentalist Christianity tends to: women as property, heterosexuality as mandatory, and violence is part of punishment. Some mix the two, though Elam and Price, as examples, claim atheism. Yet the end result is the same: it’s white fundamentalist Christianity, with or without God. The atheist set just substitutes “science” and “nature”, the same sort of argument that feeds their hate.

4.If you really want to ponder the actual nature of le MRA, consider that the MRAsshole has become what the Ku Klux Klan was in the olden days: an almost-exclusively-white, almost-exclusively-male group that hides behind anonymity, intimidation, and harassment as its mechanism of terror. I work for an org which, amongst other things, helps disabled women out of abusive residential situations. About 25% of the pulls we deal with are abusive families, which 9 out of 10 times are white fundamentalist Christian families. About one or two a year are bad roommate situations, one or two same-gender partners, together amounting to, charitably, 2%. Annnnnd the other 73%? Abusive men. Almost always spouting some form of white fundamentalist Christian or fundamentalist MRAsshole theology that they have some sort of claim to dominion over the bodies of disabled women. They’re almost exclusively white men. They’re generally highly harassing of the agency and individuals. One of the local MRAsshole types, you know, who lives in Bellingham or sends his shit there, occasionally sends me an envelope full of some kind of feces. This is because my very existence in serving the needs of disabled women is apparently “misandry.”

This is why this is linked, and why maybe it’s not the best idea to joke about women with disabilities being perfect for these folks, since they see us as basically sex slaves because we’re even lower on the ladder than an abled woman in their eyes. I know you meant it in the spirit of humor, and I get it, I step in this kind of thing more than I’d like. But that said, this is a vector by which MRAssholes assert their theology, that disability makes people lesser (look at the claptrap they claim about people with mental disability alone, they demonize us for almost every attack a white man engages in) and makes women even more disposable.

tigtog
5 years ago

@fakecisgirl, thank you for your patience and fortitude in laying out such a comprehensive array of some of the reasons why ableism such as Ann Morgan’s is so very marginalising and part of the wider socialisation which disappears the selective predation of persons with disabilities because too many people overlook them as people who matter.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ misseb47

As a criminologist you’ll probably be aware of the “CSI Effect”. That’s were, because of the pervasiveness of television programmes dealing with forensic matters juries assume

(a) that scientific evidence is infallible.
(b) that if a person was at a crime scene there’ll be tonnes of evidence to show this.

Point (a) is pretty useful if we’re prosecuting and (b) if we’re defending.

Of course the effect is a fallacy. It’s quite possible to be intimately involved in a crime and leave no forensic trace whatsoever.

We’ve always had a version of (b) anyway. Where there is no scientific evidence standard questions to the SOCO (English version of CSI) are:

“As a forensic science expert you’ll be familiar with Locard’s Exchange Principle”

“Yes”

“And what is that please?”

“Every contact leaves a trace”

“Thank you” [Sit down and leave the jury to think of the implication. Do NOT give the expert a chance to explain why that’s wrong!]

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

So here’s why I don’t feel sorry for Vox or his whines about Andreas Lubitz. I don’t think there is an actual shortage of ‘blowjobs’ for most men. In that, they probably could get a blowjob if they really wanted to, but they don’t want to.

Here’s the thing – sex is a commodity on the marketplace. If you doubt this, there was a very good putdown written by the CEO of a major company to a gold digger who wanted to marry a man who earned at least 1 million$ a year. He explained to her that what was wrong with her proposal from a business perspective was that she wanted to trade a depreciating asset – her beauty – for an appreciating asset – his money. Ten years from now, she was not going to be as beautiful as she was right now, but barring some sort of cosmic disaster, he would have more money. And only a fool would trade an appreciating asset for a depreciating one. In fact, from a business perspective, you don’t buy or hold onto a depreciating asset, you lease it and trade it as soon as you can.

Anyway, sex is a commodity, and women are prostitutes. I mean this in a super-technical sense, not an insulting one. All women want SOMETHING in return for sex. In those women we actually think of prostitutes, it happens to be money. In other women, they may want love, fame, intellectual stimulation, good genes for their children, or various combinations of the above. It’s really fairly important that a man know exactly what sort of ‘coin’ a woman is looking for, and not try to offer her a different sort of ‘coin’.

Now like any sort of commodity, some types of commodities may be more in demand than others. This doesn’t necessarily mean they are any ‘better’ or ‘worse’. To use an analogy, the nintendo DS comes with different colored plastic casings. A red nintendo DS is not any better or worse than a black nintendo DS. They both play the same video games. But here’s the thing – if for whatever reason red nintendo DS’s are in greater demand than black ones, they will command a higher price. Likewise, if women with a particular body type are in greater demand than women with other body types, they will (usually) be able to demand a higher ‘price’ (of whatever type of coin they want) in return for sex. At least from those men who are interested in body types rather than something else. This is neither ‘fair’ nor ‘unfair’ to women of various body types, it’s simply market reality.

But here’s where I stop feeling sorry for Vox. He is claiming a ‘market shortage’ regarding ‘blow jobs’ and demanding that ‘sluts’ give more blow jobs to alleviate the supposed market shortage. The problem is, I don’t think there IS a ‘market shortage’. His so-called ‘market shortage’ is self induced by men (more on that in a bit). His claim of a ‘market shortage’ of ‘blow jobs’ is rather as if I wanted a nintendo DS, went into a store, and there were 50 black nintendo DS’s sitting on the shelf, but no red ones. Or the red ones cost $1000 vs only $100 for the black ones. Out of fussiness, I happen to want ONLY a red nintendo DS, but rather than admit that I am fussy and/or can’t afford a red nintendo DS, I claim there are NO nintendo DS’s to be had, even though there are plenty of black ones on the shelf at a price I can afford, so everyone will feel sorry for me.

I don’t feel sorry for men who lack blow jobs in such a situation any more than I feel sorry for those people who starved to death in the Irish potato famine while in possession of silos full of corn and oats, because such ‘animal food’ wasn’t ‘good enough’ for them. There is nothing inherently wrong with corn and oats, and there is nothing inherently wrong with women who have a body type that is in less demand, and there is nothing inherently wrong with black nintendo DS’s. Whining about a ‘shortage’ when the market is full of what you need, but not the exact fussy thing you want, is the act of a spoilt brat.

Most men can probably get a girlfriend, at least if they are not sociopaths like Vox. Unfortunately, Vox teaches men to be snobs, and that they are somehow ‘entitled’ to a particular body type of woman. But as I said, women of a particular body type are in high demand, and most women will demand the highest price of whatever coin they are looking for. If they want money, they will go with the man who earns $1 million a year, rather than $50,000 a year. If they want intellectual stimulation, they will go with the man with 150 IQ rather than the 110 IQ. If they want love, they will go with the man who loves them more, rather than less.

As I said, most men can probably get girlfriends, if they are not sociopaths like Vox, and are willing to pay SOMETHING (not necessarily money, as I stated above), to some woman. But Vox has taught them that they can pay NOTHING, or less than nothing (being abusive) and are still entitled to a girlfriend, because ‘Christianity’. And not just any sort of girlfriend, but a girlfriend of the sort who is in the highest demand on the market place.

Paying a negative price of abuse does not get you high demand goods of ANY sort on the market place. Or any sort of goods at all. That is not how a market works, the goods will be sold to someone who is willing to pay SOMETHING for it. The man who pays a penny will get the goods before the man who pays nothing and insults the seller on top of it.

Rather than resort to a free market solution for his self-induced problem, such as proposing that prostitution be legalized (which would lower the price in money of blow jobs), Vox resorts to the act of a criminal and rapist. He demands that ‘sluts’ – by which he means women of the particular body type that he demands – provide men with blow jobs, regardless of whether the men are able to meet the price that the sluts demand or not. In fact, he insists that the men not only pay NO price, but that they retain the right to be insulting and abusive.

In other words, according to Vox, men have the right to be as selective as they wish on the sexual market place, but women have no right to be selective (even though in biology the exact opposite is true and necessary), and must provide a valuable commodity (sex) in exchange for a NEGATIVE price (abuse).

And if they won’t?

Then – according to Vox – men will crash airplanes into the ground.

In other words, they will point a gun at someone’s head and demand what they want.

Starting to get the picture yet? Vox’s entire post was basically a threat of armed robbery and rape.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Gosh, where to start. Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch; as someone once said.

I’m sure other folks will be along shortly to make the points better than I; but I’ll start the ball rolling.

“All women want SOMETHING in return for sex”

No they don’t; I think you’ll find that most of the time they just want the sex.

“black nintendo DS’s”

So women who don’t conform to conventional mainstream ideals of attractiveness are on a par with cheap consumer goods?

“‘animal food’”

Ah, and haylage.

“those people who starved to death in the Irish potato famine while in possession of silos full of corn and oats,”

Of which Irish history is littered with examples. Some people are just so stubborn eh? Watching their children die in agony and then they themselves just out of snobbery. The irony of course that corn and oats are staple human foodstuffs anyway. Ha, joke’s on them right?

Myoo
Myoo
5 years ago

Anyway, sex is a commodity, and women are prostitutes. I mean this in a super-technical sense, not an insulting one. All women want SOMETHING in return for sex. In those women we actually think of prostitutes, it happens to be money. In other women, they may want love, fame, intellectual stimulation, good genes for their children, or various combinations of the above. It’s really fairly important that a man know exactly what sort of ‘coin’ a woman is looking for, and not try to offer her a different sort of ‘coin’.

Ugh, just no. Human interaction is not a transaction. People are not commodities and you’re gross for treating them as such.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

I was so happy the day that my husband decided I was the Nintendo DS for him (olive drab case, if you’re wondering. Limited edition). He used to be more of a PC gamer, if you catch my drift. But that all changed the day he saw me! If I keep my processors running smoothly and don’t let my screen get scratched, I hope he’ll decide to play Pokemon for a long, long time. Maybe even until the new models start rolling out before Christmas.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

Wow. Fatphobic, ableist, AND misogynist. You’ve hit the trifecta there, Ann Morgan.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

@misseb47:

Thanks for the fascinating essay. Much useful data in it.

Since we are on the subject of crime, gender, and legal responsibility, I’d recommend an interesting article by neuroscientist Dan Eagleman, “The Brain on Trial.” (You may have seen it already and/or know of Eagleman’s work?) It presents the attenuated “nature” side of the argument, in an eye-opening way, along with its implications for criminal justice.

Here’s one fragment that pertains to the topic at hand (though the whole essay is excellent and well worth reading), and one that chimes in with the data you listed:

“MANY OF US like to believe that all adults possess the same capacity to make sound choices. It’s a charitable idea, but demonstrably wrong. People’s brains are vastly different.

Who you even have the possibility to be starts at conception. If you think genes don’t affect how people behave, consider this fact: if you are a carrier of a particular set of genes, the probability that you will commit a violent crime is four times as high as it would be if you lacked those genes. You’re three times as likely to commit robbery, five times as likely to commit aggravated assault, eight times as likely to be arrested for murder, and 13 times as likely to be arrested for a sexual offense. The overwhelming majority of prisoners carry these genes; 98.1 percent of death-row inmates do. These statistics alone indicate that we cannot presume that everyone is coming to the table equally equipped in terms of drives and behaviors.

And this feeds into a larger lesson of biology: we are not the ones steering the boat of our behavior, at least not nearly as much as we believe. Who we are runs well below the surface of our conscious access, and the details reach back in time to before our birth, when the meeting of a sperm and an egg granted us certain attributes and not others. Who we can be starts with our molecular blueprints—a series of alien codes written in invisibly small strings of acids—well before we have anything to do with it. Each of us is, in part, a product of our inaccessible, microscopic history. By the way, as regards that dangerous set of genes, you’ve probably heard of them. They are summarized as the Y chromosome. If you’re a carrier, we call you a male.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-brain-on-trial/308520/?single_page=true

This essay is particularly relevant in light of the Germanwings tragedy and the developing background story of its perpetrator, whose true motives will likely never be known.

Ann Morgan
Ann Morgan
5 years ago

**Ugh, just no. Human interaction is not a transaction. People are not commodities and you’re gross for treating them as such.**

Sorry, but yes, they are. If you think they’re not, are you willing to prove the point by working for free? No? Then let’s start dealing with reality, rather than your sad feelies. Some sorts of looks and skills are in greater demand than other sorts of looks and skills. And this can, btw, change depending on the place and time. At one time in England, red hair or having a widow’s peak probably would have put a rather low demand on a woman who had them. Now, they have a rather high demand.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Flying Mouse

was so happy the day that my husband decided I was the Nintendo DS for him (olive drab case, if you’re wondering. Limited edition).

Men see me as a mint gold Nintendo DS Lite Zelda edition so my SMV blows you out of the water. It’s not bragging if it’s true.

@Ann Morgan

Here’s the thing – sex is a commodity on the marketplace. If you doubt this, there was a very good putdown written by the CEO of a major company to a gold digger who wanted to marry a man who earned at least 1 million$ a year.

Oh, it’s more than very good, it’s true classic putdown that I know and care about deeply, as does everyone I know. My nephew studied it in school, he even wrote a paper about it and got an A+! Nothing beats the valuable wisdom of a probably imaginary rich guy taking down a stuck up bitch who doesn’t realize she’s gonna get all old and not pretty and stuff.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

Thanks to Ann Morgan I now know what it would be like if Dalrock’s blog assumed human form and posted here.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I guess we got our answer as to whether or not Ann Morgan is a troll.

What say you Mammotheers? Red pill woman or sock posing as a woman?

For fuck’s sake, people are not commodities. It’s always so baffling to me that people think like that.

Oh, and citation needed on Irish people starving to death because they were too snobby for corn and oats. That sounds more like something out of an anti-Irish editorial written by an Englishman during the potato famine than anything resembling reality. The human body wants to eat and survive. Any animal will eat things they don’t usually like during famine times. Even people with severe eating disorders will break down and binge eat. Because your brain will make you eat.

So fucking stupid.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

Okay first I thought Ann Morgan was gross, now I just feel sorry for zie. You literally have never done anything for anyone without wanting something in return? What a terrible way to live.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I see troll dropped another poo.

Expecting a fair wage does not make a human a commodity. Workers sell their labor, not their entire selves.

I pity you Ann. Apparently, you are unable to connect emotionally to other people. Don’t assume the rest of us are that way.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Ninja’d by Isidore!

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

I don’t feel sorry for men who lack blow jobs in such a situation any more than I feel sorry for those people who starved to death in the Irish potato famine while in possession of silos full of corn and oats, because such ‘animal food’ wasn’t ‘good enough’ for them.

She seems nice. On a more serious note, the far out ignorance and inhumanity at work here is genuinely jaw dropping. It’s tough to pack victim blaming famine victims, an analogy between a lack of blow jobs and mass starvation, and an enormous amount of misinformation about the Irish Potato Famine into one sentence.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

Oh, Ann Morgan is a troll after all. What a surprise. I am shocked, shocked I say.

Hm, I think I’m going to place my bets on male redpiller troll thinking that we’ll all agree with someone who has a female name.

If you think they’re not, are you willing to prove the point by working for free?

Sure I will. That strange human behavior is referred to as ‘volunteering’ and people do it because they want to help other people. For free. Fancy that.

Now sod off, would you?

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

What say you Mammotheers? Red pill woman or sock posing as a woman?

This could go either way, TBH. I haven’t seen any returning champion tells yet, but the night is still young.

Dawn Incognito
Dawn Incognito
5 years ago

All women want SOMETHING in return for sex. In those women we actually think of prostitutes, it happens to be money. In other women, they may want love, fame, intellectual stimulation, good genes for their children, or various combinations of the above. It’s really fairly important that a man know exactly what sort of ‘coin’ a woman is looking for, and not try to offer her a different sort of ‘coin’.

See, I prefer to think of it as a trade. He gets sex, and I get…sex with someone I like and am attracted to. Then we go for waffles!

I vote sock. Maybe because I prefer that to a woman believing that she has to use sex as currency.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

I’ve just read “Ann’s” musings, and, FWIW, my vote is on non-Ann.

You know what they say: if it walks like a non-Ann and it talks like a non-Ann, it is Andy The Sock.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

@Flying Mouse:

“I was so happy the day that my husband decided I was the Nintendo DS for him (olive drab case, if you’re wondering. Limited edition).”

You’re so lucky. 😉 I hope you thanked The Invisible But Ever Holy Hand of the Free Market.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
5 years ago

@brooked:

“Thanks to Ann Morgan I now know what it would be like if Dalrock’s blog assumed human form and posted here.”

LMAO!

I don’t think Dalrock’s could assume human form even if it really, really, reeeaaaalllyy tried.