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Congratulations, A Voice for Men! You’ve caused me to feel an actual twinge of sympathy for a woman who once declared, on AVFM no less, that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious [plural form of vagina-related slur redacted.]”
The c-word-slinging woman in question is former AVFM contributor and YouTube micro-celebrity Diana Davison, a friend to and frequent collaborator with another former AVFMer, the infamous “JohnTheOther” Hembling. The two have been sniping at AVFM in videos for months, and getting sniped back at in return, and have both become entangled in the wider war between AVFM and what seems to be virtually the entirety of the Men Going Their Own Way movement.
As Davison’s video above makes clear, this war is getting pretty ugly, with some AVFMers apparently circulating nude photos of Davison in an attempt to shut her up with some good old-fashioned slut-shaming.
The drama escalated dramatically about a week ago, when blabby antifeminist Youtuber Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan — a longtime AVFM ally and “contributing editor” — launched into Davison and Hembling in a series of nasty YouTube comments, accusing Hembling of using the nude pics of Davison in an attempt to seduce Straughan into making a video attacking Paul Elam.
No, really. Here’s the relevant bit of one of her comments. (You’ll have to dig through the comments here to find the whole thing, as well as an assortment of other, well, interesting thoughts on AVFM.) I’ve highlighted the important bits.
John the Other … asked me to if I’d be willing to film a clip of myself Chris Crocker style, sobbing, “Leave Paul Elam ALONE!!!” after I’d repeatedly told him I was staying out of his bullshit with Paul. I’ve seen his girlfriends tits exactly three times, which was three times more than I’d asked to see them, and each time I was shown them I was told, “you’re smart, like me and John, not stupid like Paul and Dean and Sage Gerard and all those other guys at AVFM…”
Oh, and BTW, I’ve seen Diana completely buck, ass, [vagina-related slur redacted] and all. Not because I asked, either, but because apparently they thought it would bring me to their side. I have yet to see Paul in the altogether, and have no real desire to. YMMV.
On that very last point, my mileage definitely does not vary.
In another comment, she wrote that
John the Other and his girlfriend attempted to convince me to attack Paul Elam by showing me her tits and then telling me how smart I am. … [H]e’s willing to put his girlfriend on the buffet table to lure me in, and she’s willing to offer herself up as lunch.
The idea that Hembling is using nude pics of Davison to lure Straughan away from AVFM is a bizarre accusation, and Hembling has what appears to be pretty conclusive evidence — in the form of Skype chat logs of conversations with Straughan — that it’s complete bullshit. (You can watch his rambling video on the subject here; the relevant stuff starts 3:24 in. Hembling, who was ejected from AVFM last year, sounds a lot like someone who has recently escaped a cult.)
Natually, the AVFM regulars have responded to Davison’s video with their customary tact and aplomb. Here’s AVFM “Assistant Managing Editor” and “Director, Disqus Moderation Team” Suzanne McCarley, in the comments to Davison’s video:
Elam, responding to McCarley’s comment, offered a slightly different assessment:
The comments continue on in this vein for some time, with AVFMers accusing Hembling of supporting yet another woman (who, like Davison, was embraced by and then tossed out of AVFM) because, in Elam’s words, “he was toying with the idea of fucking her at the time.”
This isn’t the first time that AVFMers have brought up Davison’s “chest.” Several months back, you may recall, AVFM’s “Chief Operations Officer” Dean Esmay accused Davison of using pics of her “titties” to lure MGTOWers to the anti-Paul-Elam Dark Side.
Now, it’s true that Davison is an anti-feminist ideologue with appalling ideas and a nasty rhetoricial style. She ends most of her YouTube videos with rape jokes. She regularly attacks other women as “cunts” and “narcissistic twats.” She thinks that men commit crimes mostly in order to get more stuff for the demanding women in their lives. She thinks that any woman who goes to sleep next to a man in bed is thereby giving him permission to penetrate her in her sleep. By joining up with the MGTOW movement as a weird sort of Female MGTOWer she’s siding with some of the internet’s skeeziest and most obsessive misogynists.
In other words, she’s at least as bad, ideologically speaking, as the AVFMers she now regularly attacks.
Nonetheless, she doesn’t deserve this sort of shit from AVFM assholes attempting to use attacks on her sexuality as a way to shut her up. No one does.
But apparently those at AVFM think this is how “human rights activism” is done.
That thread this is happening on reveals a lot more than Elam and Straughn’s malice. Good example of the political starting off by looking personal. MGTOWs are getting a good dose of AVFM tactics and their anti-MRA position is hardening like concrete on a doomed mobster’s feet.
Always interesting to get news from the cesspool that is the “manosphere”. I suppose people who base their world-view on hate and dogma (women are bad – so sayeth the biotroofs) will often end up in conflict. It really IS like watching diverging extremist cults go at it.
And also:
– Suzanne McCarley
*Sigh!* There really IS no making these people happy, is there?
Driver Suz and GWW are jumping on that disgusting slut-shaming bandwagon like they won’t get the exact same treatment when they fall out of favor. Yeah, no one, not even Diana Davidson, deserves that kin of treatment.
I’m curious to know whether Hembling actually nude pictures of his girlfriend to try to seduce a gay woman. On the one hand, it seems like such an ignorant and oblivious move that it’s literally unbelievable someone would do this; on the other hand, MRAs have consistently surprised me over the years with actions so shitty I couldn’t believe them to be real. So yeah, that about evens out.
Because it’s not slut shaming if I don’t have concrete, video evidence that you are, in fact, a slutty slut McSlutterson!
Good Lord! I didn’t know who Chanty Binx was so I did a google search and was bombarded with graphic images and websites full of dudebro haterage. I didn’t even click on anything. The list and thumbnail images were enough.
Whoops, wrong thread.
Wow. Such activisim. Much human rights. Very classy. Wow.
…that was sarcasm. AVFM, you lose yet more points for trying to be decent humans. No “meets minimum acceptable standards” cookies today. Not that you’ve ever earned any, but definitely not today.
I see Nurdy Dancing has quit AVFM. She calls AVFM a “cluster f**k”. I guess AVFM will quit putting up the article she wrote for themevery week, calling it a “classic”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6O8afBQpmU
Ewww at all the slut-shaming. Stop it already!
As for the AVFM vs MGTOW war, it’s kinda like watching groups of monkeys flinging poo at each other…
Only monkeys are cute (sometimes).
Why is anyone surprised? Hate groups always fall apart to in-fighting.
Which states are these people in? Revenge porn is very illegal in many states.
Re revenge porn:
Actually this is true, for some reason it’s like the one thing that it seems like the legislatures lept at doing something about.
Maybe the congresspeople were all terrified that someone would publicize all the dick pics they’d sent to people. Holy crap, I bet that *is* why.
They all so deserve each other…and yet they can’t stand each other. Irony is delicious, and so is this popcorn.
Good lord, these fucking people.
David, the link in your first paragraph (link text ‘once declared’) goes to a page which doesn’t contain the quote you refer to. I think you meant to use another link?
Mike, thanks, I fixed the link.
There is just so much awful here.
What struck me is how their politcs always boil down to men just viewing women as sex toys.
Why did he take her side? For sex, of course. Why would anyone agree with her? Sex! Therefore her nude photos must be nothing more than an “argument” in the world’s strangest debate.
And then their views of her are all her fault and they will mock and shame her for it. Pure class.
Wait, GWW is gay? Holy shit. How can someone who hates women as much as she does live with being sexually attracted to them? (Most likely the same way that MRAs deal with it, I guess, except with more “I’m a Special Snowflake and none of this applies to me”?)
Jeez. So quick to rip out each other’s throats, aren’t they?
How are her boobs going to lure people away from AVfM? It’s not like boob pictures are a well-constructed argument or anything. How would that even go…? My head hurts.
It’s like a bucket full of crabs, except none of them are actually trying to crawl out; they just keep pulling each other down anyway.
They don’t seem like happy people
When I saw the headline I thought Straughan was accusing someone of blackmailing her with nude photos of *her*, and I was like, that would be really fucked up, no matter how reprehensible her opinions are.
But trying to lure her away with nude photos of someone else…wait, what?
I’m pretty sure somewhere in that long rambling comment section yesterday, I read Straughan refer to herself as bi, not gay.
Can the serpent survive by eating its own tale? Long enough for its shit to start to choke it, it seems.
I do agree that Davison shouldn’t have to deal with this crap, but I don’t know whether to feel sorry, pity or just roll my eyes because of course this was going to happen. I can do all three I guess.
I don’t…I don’t even fully understand what’s happening in that mess.
It’s like watching especially vulgar middle schoolers in a yelling match.