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The lovely piece of human garbage that is Roosh Valizadeh recently posted a helpful little list of “6 Warning Signs A Girl Isn’t Worth A Relationship.”
It’s a bit of an ironic list, in that Roosh, a self-described expat “love tourist” who makes his living giving men terrible dating advice, inadvertently provides any “girls” reading his list 6 Clear Warning Signs That Roosh is an Angry Sexual Predator Who Should Be Avoided at All Costs.
Roosh starts by warning his readers about the terrible plague of the music changers.
The first thing I do when get a girl over to my shack is put on some music. Depending on the mood I’m trying to set, I’ll go with something like The Weeknd, Vanessa da Mata, or Michael Jackson. As I’m making drinks, if she goes to the laptop, cuts off my music, then pulls up her own music on YouTube, she’s only getting fucked that night and never again. Even though she wants to play “this one song,” I cut her crap off and put mine back on. I say, “If you wanted to listen to your music you should’ve invited me to your place.”
Anyone that touchy about someone changing his music is not exactly great boyfriend material.
Several more items reveal Roosh to be someone who bristles with rage whenever a woman, in his mind, disrespects him. If a woman texts someone while on a date and doesn’t apologize for it, for example, Roosh feels that “you might as well hand her your balls.”
And then his list gets very dark indeed. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia dark.
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The Fifth Horseman of the Warning Sign Apocalypse is this: “Asking you to postpone your orgasm so she can gain more pleasure.”
As Roosh sees it,
If you’re about to bust your nut and a girl does tells you “No” or “Wait,” she’s an inconsiderate slut who is now causing you direct harm.
Wat.
A man’s nut is sacred, and for her to impede that should be criminal. I’m serious.
Backing away now.
One time a girl postponed my nut and then I lost it completely. I couldn’t get it back and I was left with minor groin pain. I never contacted her again.
What a terrible assault on Roosh’s manhood. He once experienced MINOR GROIN PAIN. That evil harlot should be locked up for life for the crime of a dude not having an orgasm once.
If all this seems a bit rapey, well, it gets worse with item #6: “Not urging you to continue pumping even if it’s starting to cause her discomfort,” in which Roosh explains that girlfriend-quality “girls” shouldn’t be permitted to say “stop” after agreeing to let a dude’s penis in.
I’ll tell you what love is: when a girl begs you to keep going even though you know she already came, even though she’s drying up, and even though you know it’s causing her pain.
I suppose it could be “love.” It could also be a rather different emotion known as “fear.” Fear that the angry, woman-hating asshole fucking you, who seems to erupt in rage whenever a woman disagrees with him, will flip out if you ask him to stop. And will keep going regardless.
If she tells you to stop the millisecond after she gets her nut, without you getting yours, I want you to tell her that the point of having sex with women is so a man doesn’t have to use his hand, and that she has performed below the hand.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
That’s why we do all this shit to bang women—to get our nut. If she can’t do that for us, then she’s useless as a living being.
If anyone tries to tell you that the “red pill” is really just about self-improvement for men, ask them to explain this.
If someone shows you an article from A Voice for Men arguing that “rape culture isn’t real,” show them this, and ask why they ran a long-two part interview with Roosh in which the interviewer wrote that Roosh was “a deep thinker,” and “a layered, tempered and earnest guy, who truly wants to help other men in their most basic and primal of life goals,” adding “I got nothing but respect for the guy.”
Roosh, you may recall, has also proposed legalizing rape on private property, which he bizarrely claims will bring an end to rape. I think it’s fairly clear that Roosh has no interest in ending rape. What he wants is for people to stop calling it rape. As he sees it, women saying “no” or “stop” or “get off me” are all an affront to the “sacred nut.” And we can’t have that.
EDIT: Minor edits to clarify a point.
The question of whether behaviour is a result of personality or mental disorder is something we have to deal with a lot in the law. It affects both the procedure at trial and the possible disposal of the case (hospital order or prison).
It can be tricky to judge where the line is to be drawn so the only admissible evidence on this issue at trial is the opinion of at least two psychiatrists at least one of whom must be registered under S 12 of the Mental Health Act (i.e has a specialism in forensic psychiatry).
They must find that the defendant has a recognised mental illness.
Of course, like any expert evidence it’s only opinion so the jury are free to reject it and come to their own conclusion. So in effect we do leave the assessment as to whether it’s personality or illness to the layperson.
But it’s an opinion that’s reached on the basis of a far higher standard of evidence than “he said something nasty on the internet”.
My son has autism. He’s sweet, loving, friendly and absolutely non-sexist. When you struggle to pick up social norms, bigotry can slide right off you.
He also talks way more sense than Roosh, and he’s only semi-verbal.
Incidentally, if you read psychology books that talk about sociopathy and autism, they tend to present them as near-opposites. For instance:
Sociopaths can tell what other people are feeling, but don’t care. People on the spectrum can find it hard to know what other people are feeling (though it’s a spectrum, and a lot of people work hard to get better at their social skills) – but if they understand, they care. Some care so much they come across as awkward because they get overwhelmed and freeze up.
Sociopaths have unusually low levels of fear. People on the spectrum tend to have unusually high levels: a lot of ‘autistic’ behaviour is basically anxiety-management.
Sociopaths are irresponsible. People on the spectrum take rules very seriously – which for many, includes a deep preoccupation with ethics and morality.
Sociopaths tend to be charming. People on the spectrum can be charming – my son’s adorable – but social skills don’t come easily to them.
People on the spectrum aren’t saints: they’re just no nicer or nastier than anyone else. Some folk on the spectrum aren’t particularly nice, but that’s not because they’re on the spectrum, that’s because they’re people. Others I’ve known have been some of the kindest, finest and best people you could hope to meet. The key thing is this: conflating autism and sociopathy is factually incorrect in a really major way.
@ I&I
I think a lot of the problem is we only get our perceptions of autistic people from movies; so it’s that whole rocking quietly in a corner cliche. I used to do legal work for an organisation that cared for severely autistic people. I had to attend a lot of meetings with the directors. I once reported back that the only nice person was a particular bloke. He was always very friendly and chatty.
“You do know he’s one of their service users don’t you?”
Just goes to show how misinformed you can be.
Yeah, it’s one of those subjects that most of us know very little about until we encounter it personally – and those ubiquitous ‘rude maths whizz’ portraits really don’t help. (And neither do all the self-diagnosed it’s-my-right-to-be-rude people online, my goodness I would like a word with them.) Tip for everyone who doesn’t know anyone on the spectrum in real life: Autism is a very various world. As the saying goes, if you’ve met on person with autism, you’ve met one person with autism.
But then, it’s ok not knowing things; nobody can know what they haven’t learned. It’s just pronouncing on things you don’t understand that’s a problem. Roosh isn’t like my son. Roosh probably thinks people like my son shouldn’t be allowed.
I have been diagnosed with Aspergers. I struggle to understand body language. However, that isn’t permission to treat others poorly. It means I have to be honest with people and sincerely apologize when I misinterpret things. My actions and words are always my responsibility.
Absolutely. I know a lot of autistic kids, and they have no more behavioural traits in common than do neurotypical ones. There are chatty ones, silent ones, warm and loving ones, detached ones, you name it.
When I edit other people’s writing, I refuse to allow terms like “autistic” and “schizophrenic” through without comment unless they’re in a diagnostically appropriate context. Not only is their constant misuse annoying in itself, it’s also damaging as it creates wholly erroneous impressions and expectations.
My interpretation of Doosh:
“Raping feeemales is my right as a man, and would be so much easier if they weren’t always trying to have feelings or physical reactions. I mean, who wants to bang a dried-up, crying slut who has her own tastes in music, amirite?”
Commence barfing. I seriously wish he could be mandated to have “rapist” tattooed on his forehead so women would never have to be traumatized by him again…because we all know he’s raped before and will do it again. And brag about it…gross. And teach other men how to do it…disfuckinggusting.
As for the previous commenters who think equating sociopathic traits with Asperger’s is ok. Hell to the nope.
*waves to Kestrel*
Nice autistic/Aspergers people for the win!
My son’s therapist strongly suspects that some of my difficulties in relating to him are due to my being on the spectrum. I tend to come up with rules about how to handle given interpersonal situations, and that approach doesn’t fit him very well. I’ve gotten better at it since then.
Both of my sons have diagnosed mental illnesses, and do not show typical asshole behaviors. So there’s my anecdata. I think some people are uncomfortable with the idea of ‘this person is consciously and deliberately doing things that hurt other people’ without pathologizing the behavior. It’s bad, wicked and evil, yes; but not necessarily sick.
Wait. What? Dating advice from… Kate Minter? On WHTM? Is it April 1st already?
This in particular (wow):
“Two, there’s always the worry that I’ll run into assholes like this” Actually, I think it’s easy to avoid these types when you are confident in yourself and have boundaries.
–Says the woman, known for her own misogynist and racist views, who married one the worst a**holes known on the Web, a first-grade misogynist who openly advocates violence against and rape of women (or is it just the feminists? ugh). How precious.
“If you let those guidelines slide, yes, they start coming out of the woodwork. For instance, you don’t accept last minute dates, you don’t let a man make sexual allusions, you don’t initiate contact with him, etc. For your effort, you get him initiating contact with you, treating you with respect, looking forward to spending time with you.”
–Right, that after Dear Hubby boasted openly, as a way of explanation to his Roissy buddies as to how he, an avowed hater of women in general and marriage in particular, would marry again (is it his 3rd or 4th time?), could not resist Kate’s offer after she sent him “certain pictures.” This is still well documented on the Web, for all to see.
Who are you kidding, Kate? Oh, what delusion.
“Just remember: love does not hurt. Love does not degrade.”
–Says the woman who married one the worst… etc. (see point 1).
I’m sorry, but this is just too much.
After seeing how Roosh refers to orgasms as “nutting” and “getting my nut,” from now one we should refer to orgasms as “egging” or “getting my egg.”
Next weekend I am for sure going to bust an egg on my boyfriend!
P.S. To Kate Minter:
“If you let those guidelines slide, yes, they start coming out of the woodwork. For instance, you don’t accept last minute dates, you don’t let a man make sexual allusions, you don’t initiate contact with him, etc. For your effort, you get him initiating contact with you, treating you with respect, looking forward to spending time with you.”
–Says the woman who uses a photo of her headless backside as her avatar. Respect (,) my a**. Oy.
OK, now I’m done. 🙂
So do the ivory-billed woodpecker and the dodo bird alternate on the “Oogah-Chakas?” Because that could make for a nice effect!
@Buttercup said: “Anyway, I call bullshit on this scenario being all that common – more often, if someone’s finishing first, it’s the guy. Roosh doesn’t strike me as the type who’s experienced or considerate enough to delay climax.”
Buttercup, that probably mostly happens when Roosh is at a bordello that doesn’t have ceiling mirrors. It’d really distracting for him to have to use his imagination to see his own face, and gazing into his own dead soulless eyes is the only way he can “get his nut.”
Thanks for all the internet hugs – much appreciated.
And Lisa, whilst I understand that you didn’t intend to hurt or offend anybody, diagnosing someone online just isn’t cool. Unless you are a doctor and unless you have had an assessment session or two with the people you are diagnosing, please just stop it. It’s perfectly easy to comment on how shit they are without calling them mentally ill.
Okay, seriously, how many people go over and just change someone’s music without asking or discussing it first? I don’t touch anyone’s computer without asking first! It’s rude!
And second, why are so many terms for male orgasm so UNPLEASANT. Busting a nut? Really?
RE: Dvarghundspossen
People with a normal range of emotions find that pattern rather quickly via gut feeling. People with emotional damages need to find this pattern via conscious thinking, which takes more time
Thanks for bringing this up! I sorta see that kind of gut feeling as a rule of thumb way to respond; fast but not necessarily completely accurate. However, it works for a lot of things, which is why we have it! Consciously pondering through everything takes time and effort. It’s algorithms vs. heuristics.
RE: Allen Robertshaw
It affects both the procedure at trial and the possible disposal of the case (hospital order or prison).
Dunno your country, but in the US at least, the insanity defense is notoriously a last-ditch effort. It has a 99% failure rate, and people tend to hate it, or at least they did ten years ago when I read the book on it. I haven’t heard anything that says that’s changed here.
RE: autism
In my social cricle, there’s actually quite an overlap between multi folks and autistic folks (don’t ask me why!) and I’m kind of glad that I got to learn a little about what autism actually IS, rather than what the books told me it was.
It also helped me really, REALLY dislike anti-vaxxers.
RE: friday jones
Next weekend I am for sure going to bust an egg on my boyfriend!
This just made Sneak send me a mental image of you cracking a confetti egg on him.
@ LBT
It’s pretty rare for it to succeed here (England) too. The test is that the defendant “did not at the time of committing the offence know right from wrong”. That’s a pretty high hurdle as you can imagine.
We also have “diminished responsibility”. That’s not a complete defence (as insanity is) but can reduce murder to manslaughter. The test for that is: “he was suffering from such abnormality of mind (whether arising from a condition of arrested or retarded development of mind or any inherent causes or induced by disease or injury) as substantially impaired his mental responsibility for his acts and omissions in doing or being a party to the killing”.
That’s a bit more common, especially as quite often the CPS will accept a plea on this basis rather than risk a trial.
I appreciate your first message to Mrs. Minter (as it said a lot of things I wanted to say, but bit my tongue on), but I’d like to just stop you right here.
There’s no correlation between how much skin anyone’s showing off to how much respect they deserve. Let’s not throw ourselves into this style of woman on woman slut-shaming.
I hear this argument a lot from women who want to tear down other women, and it’s not cool.
I was hoping for a Cadbury Creme actually…..
@friday jones
I know we are constantly making nutty omelets over at my house. LOL
RE: friday jones
From Sneak: D: HOW WOULD YOU GET IT OUT OF YOUR HAIR?
RE: Paradoxical Intention
I thought the point of the mocking comment wasn’t Minter’s icon, it’s that she had it WHILE simultaneously claiming that you must have men make all the first move and do these things so as to get a good relationship. I thought it was the hypocrisy being mocked, not the icon itself.
@ LBT
It’s pretty rare for it to succeed here (England) too. The test is that the defendant “did not at the time of committing the offence know right from wrong”. That’s a pretty high hurdle as you can imagine.
We also have “diminished responsibility”. That’s not a complete defence (as insanity is) but can reduce murder to manslaughter. The test for that is: “he was suffering from such abnormality of mind (whether arising from a condition of arrested or ret***ed development of mind or any inherent causes or induced by disease or injury) as substantially impaired his mental responsibility for his acts and omissions in doing or being a party to the killing”.
That’s a bit more common, especially as quite often the CPS will accept a plea on this basis rather than risk a trial.
[Offending word redacted to avoid moderation hiccup]
Person: Man, I’d super-like to find a decent human being as a romantic partner, but I don’t want to wade through a bunch of obnoxious shitlords to find him.
Kate: ooh! ooh! I’m MARRIED to an obnoxious shitlord! Let me tell you how to find one!
Person: No, I said I do NOT want an obnoxious shitlord
Kate: I can’t heeear you