Yes, MRAs, you’re right: Teaching men not to rape IS like teaching drivers not to run people over.
Where you go wrong is in assuming that teaching people either of these things is ridiculous. Learning about consent is a good thing for men, and for women. So is learning to drive before you get behind the wheel.
That’s why driver’s ed classes — which generally promote a “no hitting people with your car” doctrine — are a standard part of the high school curriculum, and why would-be drivers have to take a driver’s test before they get their licence. Running people over during the test itself is generally frowned upon, and may preclude you from passing it.
Should we assume that MRAs would also prefer it if men didn’t have to pass driver’s test in order to drive? Are they so insulted by the notion of anyone telling them what to do that we should abandon any and all moral and practical teachings aimed at boys and men?
Are they still pissed off at their mothers (and/or fathers) for insisting, when they were young boys, that they not run around punching people? Are they still angry that their parents forced them to start using the toilet instead of shitting their pants?
I suppose these questions are better left up to the professionals.
In the meantime, here are a couple more iterations of this ridiculous meme. The first one I found on AVFM’s Facebook page a while ago. I don’t remember where I found the other one.
The photo of the crosswalk with a crossing guard holding a stop sign is just perfect for this. I’m not sure there’s a better illustration of telling drivers not to run people over.
When people intentionally run over people with cars, or unintentionally in situations where their carelessness was at fault (regardless of whether the pedestrian was in a crosswalk), we send them to jail. And if the driver was drunk, they’re definitely in trouble. So by the MRA logic here, we need to be sending more rapists to jail (whether it was intentional or a result of careless indifference or intoxication).
@KSRay
They’ve never been very good at logic with their memes, have they. Real logic, I mean.
Hey, MRAs: Women are taught how to hopefully avoid being raped just like people are taught how to hopefully avoid being hit by a car. Not going out at night without a friend, never losing sight of your drink at a bar, carrying pepper spray and learning self-defense, shouting “Fire” instead of “Rape,” etc. And then you either get all shitty at us for “SHRÖDINGER’S RAPIST! #NOTALLMEN! MISANDRY!” when it works or get all shitty at the victim for “SLUT! WHORE! LIAR!” when it doesn’t.
MRAs are those assholes who intentionally aim their car so they won’t miss running over your dog. They’re right that no amount of teaching is going to change that behavior, at least for them specifically.
Are these people aware that in many (most?) places, pedestrians actually *always* have the right of way for exactly this reason?
So first women are cars being left unlocked and getting stolen(raped), now I hear the car thieves (rapists) are the cars? Is everything a car?
And that meme with the kids, are they saying children should expect to get raped if they stray from child friendly zones and it’s their own or their parents/teachers’ fault? I’d like to think it was obvious that raping children does not just happen by accident, OMG! Telling them it’s their own fault they got raped is totally victim blaming. I can’t even with this.
LOL
“Tell Cars Not To Hit Kids”
Right above a guy in an orange vest holding a STOP sign… doing exactly that.
LOL
It’s cars all the way down.
You can accidentally hit a pedestrian. You cannot accidentally rape a woman.
These men have no trouble seeing existing as women as being as dangerous (and as irresponsible) as wandering in traffic. They even see themselves in a nice safe car that they can use to hit women who annoyingly get in their way. They also see the world as existing for them as highways exist for cars to travel on. Women simply do not belong in the world except as a target for men. Yet they also think women are in charge of everything and have it easier than men.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with them, isn’t it?
So MRAs are equating rape victims with pedestrians who cross the road in a manner that gives an oncoming car too little time to avoid hitting them. Which also means they’re equating rapists with poor menz who couldn’t help but rape their victims. You know what the biggest difference is MRAs? Apart from the fact that women are wary of rape ALL THE TIME?
While it’s sometimes physically impossible to stop a moving car in time and avoid a pedestrian, it is NEVER physically impossible to stop having sex and avoid raping someone.
DAMMIT LEA WHY YOU ALWAYS NINJA ME.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/244/4/8/death_stare_by_charliesmyangel-d46ue90.jpg
Telling kids to look both ways is not victim blaming – it’s practical education. Telling them they shouldn’t have been walking if they didn’t want to get run over is victim blaming. I don’t recall hearing about an epidemic of people telling folks who have been run over that they shouldn’t have had the audacity to walk.
So seven -ish months ago, when a driver clipped my knee while I was crossing a pedestrian (zebra) crossing when all the other drivers had stopped was whose fault? The police and the insurance company considered it was the drivers negligence. So in AVFM land is it my fault just because I was there? And the driver should get off Scot-free just because the driver didn’t want me to call the police, they had to answer a text and wanted to get back to work and I shouldn’t have been on that pedestrian crossing surrounded by stopped cars that made it difficult to see (the excuses). Thankfully the coppers weren’t AVFM-ers
I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but in Germany, even if the pedestrian was VERY careless, the driver is likely to at least bear part of the fault. German drivers are required to ALWAYS be watchful. As you should if you drive a 1,5 ton screaming metal death machine.
What the hell do these people THINK? Also, it’s not like women, in my experience, aren’t already told to be careful around men (they don’t know).
Also, yeah, if you’re the kind of person who is “physically unable not to rape”, no, John, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. And then John was a zombie.
The 2nd one… It’s literally an image of someone telling a “car” not to hit kids. It’s clearly not an image of children crossing at a crosswalk instead of telling drivers not to hit them. I’ll take “Self-refuting Arguments” for $1000, Alex.
I guess we shouldn’t teach our kids to share because we don’t want them to think that they are selfish. #notallkids.
Seriously, how could they equate car accidents to rape? Oh yeah they’re mras/Antifeminists logic is misandry.
KITTY!
sunnysombrera,
Great minds?
😛
What kills me is that the clothes I opted for one afternoon, old baggy and ripped jeans, old t-shirt, hoodie and a coat that is more or less a blanket with sleeves, are considered unfeminine to these chuckleheads. All the same, in these sexy sexy threads, I was still getting harrassing comments…..in a Michaels parking lot.
Totally asking for it, there. I sure ran out in front of that comment car on purpose. Because, misandry. Douchebags….
@fruitloopsie
Remember they also try to disregard anything that isn’t “real rape” as rape. So for example being raped by a boyfriend while watching a film together isn’t rape, it’s…I can’t even bring myself to voice the kind of excuses they would make for that. Obviously the fact that she was in a relationship with him is something they would use against her.
The empathy they feel for the poor, poor rapists who can’t avoid raping women is not accidental. Rapists can type too.
@Lea
That kitty was giving you a death glare, you’re not supposed to find it cute. 😛
I would buy tickets to a Screaming Metal Death Machine concert.
Found a terrible article that goes along the lines of “women should be held more accountable for their actions” regarding rape.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/feminists-we-need-to-talk-about-consent/16782#.VQrdLY6sUTA
Gah! Why do these guys hate men oh so much? Why do they think so little of them? “No officer, she jumped right out in front of me, I didn’t have time not to rape her!”